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Limp Wristed Limey posted:you also have to deal with your customers and workers that have been programmed since birth to believe that knowingly eating haraam food is a great sin Well if you're not in a predominantly Muslim country you usually just stock Halal food (as opposed to 'I am a butcher with only Halal meat'). There's tons of situations where Halal meat is sold by non-Muslims, and the kids that work in the place aren't going to care or even know what Halal is. Not only that, but you're assuming a level of devoutness that the average person just doesn't have. Yes, they are told eating haraam food is a sin, but I'll bet you the average butchery shop worker would rather take a small payoff and continue doing his job without questioning where the meat comes from versus causing a huge investigatory fuss and losing his job over potentially nothing. The average Muslim doesn't eat Halal food because that's just how it is, not because he sincerely believes. The situation you're describing is just a tiny minority of situations, is what I'm saying, and that's why we're jumping down your throat when you say "well halaal meat doesn't have this problem."
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Moridin920 posted:Well if you're not in a predominantly Muslim country you usually just stock Halal food (as opposed to 'I am a butcher with only Halal meat'). There's tons of situations where Halal meat is sold by non-Muslims, and the kids that work in the place aren't going to care or even know what Halal is. Not only that, but you're assuming a level of devoutness that the average person just doesn't have. Yes, they are told eating haraam food is a sin, but I'll bet you the average butchery shop worker would rather take a small payoff and continue doing his job without questioning where the meat comes from versus causing a huge investigatory fuss and losing his job over potentially nothing. The average Muslim doesn't eat Halal food because that's just how it is, not because he sincerely believes. Not to mention the fact that most developing countries, whether predominantly muslim or not, don't have any functioning governing body overseeing slaughterhouses. I mean, if one of them breaks the Halal rules, no-one is likely to notice, and thus there is little incentive to play nicely (unless they're just that religious). That's how think kind of thing can develop, over a number of years. Indonesians want halal beef. Australia has beef, but halal killing is prohibited by law. Presto, Indonesia imports live cattle from Australia for halal slaughter. Australian RSPCA find out and are outraged because the animals are not stunned first. Devout muslims in Indonesia find out and are outraged because the animals are treated badly, so meat is not really halal. (For instance, painful prodding and lashing when moving the animals, killing animals in sight of other animals, etc.) http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...x-1226066813585 Hippie Hedgehog fucked around with this message at Apr 8, 2013 around 08:08 |
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Moridin920 posted:"well halaal meat doesn't have this problem." Ugh, you have quoted me there, please show me the post where I said that. Maybe your muslim employees are not devout and would be fine processing and selling pork products as Halal. Maybe they would not be. Unless you do a faith test as an employer it gets a bit complicated which has been my point all along. Obviously there can be fraud and abuse and I have never said otherwise.
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You're at the very least insinuating that it's not as big of a potential concern.
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Kosher food gets busted for being not kosher on a pretty regular basis and face lawsuits constantly. When did we move from "glorious nippon" to "glorious islam"?
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It's not like there's a way to determine whether a food is halal or kosher by looking at it or tasting it, it's not surprising that some people take advantage of that.
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Horse drugs found in corned beef sold by asda: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22087123 Which is the point, if they're not giving you what you thought you were buying then they probably don't know much about their supply chain and cant vouch for the quality and safety of their food.
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Anemone Mine posted:Horse drugs found in corned beef sold by asda: I shop at Asda and I'm pretty sure the own-brand corned beef was withdrawn ages ago because it wasn't available online when I last shopped and neither was it in store when I popped in. Had to make do with Princes which is rather more expensive 
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Of all the things I'd rather spend a bit more money on, Corned Beef is one of them.
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WastedJoker posted:I shop at Asda and I'm pretty sure the own-brand corned beef was withdrawn ages ago because it wasn't available online when I last shopped and neither was it in store when I popped in. It was withdrawn in March apparently, the test results have just come out. Makes me think what other horrible drugs they are going to find. But then hey, most people are fine with eating real beef that's been pumped full of antibiotics and growth hormone so maybe people really don't care what they shove down their throats.
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Dravs posted:It was withdrawn in March apparently, the test results have just come out. Makes me think what other horrible drugs they are going to find. If they are eating bargain basement corned beef then that's probably a safe assumption. A bit of phenylbutazone might even do them some good.
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Ireland Sucks posted:If they are eating bargain basement corned beef then that's probably a safe assumption. A bit of phenylbutazone might even do them some good. Am I right in thinking it is basically horse steroids? Baring in mind Ketamine is a horse tranquilizer, seeing what that does to humans we could end up with some genetically modified super soldiers in about 5 months time pumped up on corned beef rations.
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Dravs posted:maybe people really don't care what they shove down their throats. Ireland Sucks posted:If they are eating bargain basement corned beef then that's probably a safe assumption. A bit of phenylbutazone might even do them some good. Haha yeah gently caress poor people, right?
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Dravs posted:But then hey, most people are fine with eating real beef that's been pumped full of antibiotics and growth hormone so maybe people really don't care what they shove down their throats. Not really - in Europe both some antibiotics and hormones are banned.
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