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The whole food supply chain is pretty hosed up. In principle the pork and horse contaminats in the value beefburgers will not pose a risk to human health - protein is protein. However there is no guarantee that the contaminats come from carcasses that passed inspection. (My understanding is that every single carcass should be inspected at the abbatoir). The supply chain is long; multiple supermarkets were supplied from three large processing plants in Ireland and the UK. Given that budget burgers will not be made from any of the prime cuts of beef (more likely arseholes, offal, mechanically recovered meat etc.) these meat processing factories are almost certainly not taking in whole beef carcasses but instead buying bags of "suitable" grade beef product (aforementioned arseholes, offal, mechanically recovered meat etc.) from sub suppliers. These sub-suppliers are in all likelyhood getting their supplies from other meat processing factories (arseholes, offal, mechanically recovered meat has to come from somewhere). This is probably coming through in large quantities and it would be very easy to slip in 'bulking' protein from horses and pigs - Of course the pig and horse product is likely to be horse and pig arseholes, offal, mechanically recovered meat etc. Aparently horse and pig 'product' is about 1/4 the price of beef 'product'. For the Food Standards Agency to glibly say there is no risk to health is disingenuous - in principle they are right, but only if the correct inspection procedures have been carried out through the entire length of the food chain. Clearly this not the case so clearly there can be no guarantee that pig and horse product contaminating the beef supply is safe. If Tesco, Aldi, Lidl et al budget burgers are contaminated - gently caress knows what goes into catering grade budget burgers.
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MrChupon posted:I never understood the hate Taco Bell gets (well, maybe for how it tastes, but I mean for the meat composition). It's not roach meat, it's just beef cut with oats. Sure that's not good for you from a "fill up on carbs" perspective, but it's not really gross. p.crestmont posted:As an American this story would have to be something like burgers contain 30% ground up chicken assholes to really be newsworthy. Actually make that 50% chicken assholes and 1% human fingers.
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Blurry Gray Thing posted:Big Al is a drat liar. 100% beef, huh, Al? gently caress you, Al. Ghostlight fucked around with this message at Jan 18, 2013 around 01:50 |
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ashgromnies posted:Then you may accidentally eat pork and you might be sent to hell because of it I guess. Or not. The horror! It came out not to long ago that NYC tap water (and a few other systems) is not actually kosher because they put copepods (incredibly tiny crustaceans) in the water reservoirs and they aren't filtered out in processing. The conclusion was if you keep kosher you should buy a water filter but it is forgiven because you didn't know but now that you do you are on the hook.
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Ghostlight posted:There's another version of the table that includes the ingredients - 12% of it is onions, and the rest is Rusk Well - I guess that actually makes sense, yeah. That one just really stood out for its low beef content - and none-of-the-other-meats composition.
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Oh I get it you took a real news article and then added in fake bits that's how comedy works.
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Three Olives posted:It came out not to long ago that NYC tap water (and a few other systems) is not actually kosher because they put copepods (incredibly tiny crustaceans) in the water reservoirs and they aren't filtered out in processing. The conclusion was if you keep kosher you should buy a water filter but it is forgiven because you didn't know but now that you do you are on the hook. Mmm. It'd be an incredibly vengeful god that cursed you because you took reasonable steps to try and eat acceptable food but still ended up doing so anyway by mistake or because you were lied to. The old testament god is certainly vengeful enough for that. Though if you've ever had water from a river, like while camping or something, or gone swimming in the sea and allowed so much as a drop to pass your lips, you're going to have eaten something that's non-kosher. But if you believe in a god who's not clinically insane, you should be ok, as long as you take reasonable steps. Yeah you could buy some massive beefed-up water filter and eat only the meat you've grown yourself because you're paranoid and maybe the kosher butcher is lying and autoclaves his tools in unfiltered tap water. But it'd cost so much you'd be more holy spending that money to help poor people.
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harpomarxist posted:Maybe not chickens or fingers, but definitely assholes - This American Life recently did a piece on what was actually in 'imitation calimari' - guess what? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/..._n_2482063.html I'm guessing the article was updated since you linked it. quote:So is hog rectum getting passed off as calamari at restaurants across the United States? It's unlikely (not to mention illegal), but there really isn't any proof one way or another. Thankfully, "This American Life" didn't uncover any anecdotes of bung-based bait-and-switch practices in America's restaurants.
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harpomarxist posted:Maybe not chickens or fingers, but definitely assholes - This American Life recently did a piece on what was actually in 'imitation calimari' - guess what? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/..._n_2482063.html I would honestly try pig rectum after being blanched and then sliced and fried. It apparently doesn't sound too bad after they get the fecal taste out of it.
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I'm pretty sure when they say 62% or 95% (One of those brands goes down to 45%) they are talking about meat to fat ratio. Ground beef is typically cut with fat to cheapen it. You find the higher percentage of meat to fat correlates to a higher price by weight. /edit haha nope I'm wrong. According to that chart its typically onions. This just goes to show what a luxury it is these days to have access to an actual butcher. Kekeke! fucked around with this message at Jan 18, 2013 around 02:28 |
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I had basashi (thin, sashimi-like slices of raw horse meat) for dinner the day this hit the news so I just laughed and nnggeigh neiiggh neigggghhhh i am now a horse
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Have the math skills in this world gone down that far? It says that 30% of the sample tested positive, not that the samples contained 30%.... Huge difference. A closer look at the chart shows that a couple of the samples tested positive at "LOQ" - limits of quantification. These days measurements can detect truly minuscule amounts of stuff. It's not that there's a lot of it there, it's just those samples had enough to go over the detection limit. And they don't "put" copepods into the reservoirs - any open body of water is going to have them They come in on the legs and feathers of ducks. Speaking of which, any water you drink that isn't seriously filtered (which is most tap water, and most bottled), is going to have measurable amounts of fecal coliform bacteria in it. It isn't the presence of them that is the problem, it's how many. There're legal limits to how much, just like there's legal limits to how much mouse crap there is in most of your food before they have to list it as an ingredient. Sorry to break it to you, but you've eaten all kinds of gross stuff without knowing it. It's just there was so little of it you didn't notice. I realize the ick factor of knowing, but it goes for literally anything you eat. Microscopic insects in your fruits and veggies (take that, vegans!), stray amounts of feces in butchered animals - it happens. It's only a problem when it gets to non-safe levels. Don't get me wrong, I'd like barf if I found half a grub in my apple, but as long as we're eating real food we have to take a bit of crap with it. Think of it as going back to nature. Oh, and disclaimer - I have nothing to do with the food industry except as consumer. MrUnderbridge fucked around with this message at Jan 18, 2013 around 02:47 |
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Wouldn't horse meat generally be more expensive than cow beef? Don't horses cost a shitload more than cows? Why would a more expensive meat accidently get added to a less expensive meat?
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MrUnderbridge posted:Have the math skills in this world gone down that far? Wrong: quote:one sample of burger goods, Tesco Everyday Value Beef Burgers, showed about 29% horse meat relative to beef content. That is, the ratio of horse meat to beef was 29 to 100, so 29/129 = 22% of the hamburger meat was horse. Edit: Not to mention it makes no sense to say that "less than the limit of quantification of burgers tested showed horse meat," since you could always count the burgers. Those charts had to have been talking about the amount of horse DNA per burger. Cantorsdust fucked around with this message at Jan 18, 2013 around 02:56 |
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Videodrome posted:Wouldn't horse meat generally be more expensive than cow beef? Don't horses cost a shitload more than cows? Why would a more expensive meat accidently get added to a less expensive meat? Only the good parts of the horse are expensive. These aren't the good parts.
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Not to split hairs but the article doesn't say "cheap burgers contain 30% horse," it says "30% of cheap burgers contain some horse." That's a bit different.
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Suntory BOSS posted:I had basashi (thin, sashimi-like slices of raw horse meat) for dinner the day this hit the news so I just laughed and nnggeigh neiiggh neigggghhhh i am now a horse I had this in Kawaguchiko a year ago, it was delicious. I don't see the big fuss, personally I always just assume that with highly processed meat it could be anything.
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The more horse the better. I want 100% horse meat and I want it to be cheap. Horse is nutritious and delicious.
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Videodrome posted:Wouldn't horse meat generally be more expensive than cow beef? Don't horses cost a shitload more than cows? Why would a more expensive meat accidently get added to a less expensive meat? I doubt that we're talking about herds of horses which have been raised for eating and then sold at market here. More likely, the slaughterhouses have paid little or nothing at all for horses which are now unwanted for one reason or another by their owners (whether they were pets or working animals) or wild horses which have been culled.
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So, in which processing plant do they process the human meat? The article failed to elaborate.
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MrUnderbridge posted:Have the math skills in this world gone down that far? CLOP. CLOP. CLOP. 
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The biggest question is who cares? People already purchase and eat it regularly. It's a point proven, meat is delicious and man is the dominant animal over all. gently caress horses, I hope I've eaten a thousand horses. Oh sorry I forgot they have more of a soul than a cow!!
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Oh well no wonder those loving Tesco burgers gave me the trots.
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Did anybody sit down and eat some horse meat? This could be a good thing.
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To be completely honest, I've always been curious to try horse meat. I'd imagine it would taste really lean like buffalo, since they seem to be really muscular, and I loving love me some buffalo burgers. I think its kind of funny that people will eat the ground up bodily meat of a cow or a chicken or a pig without thinking twice, but for some reason eating the ground up meat of a horse is just disgusting. If you're gonna slice up a dead animal, cook it, and eat it, then just own up to it. It'll make downing those mountain oysters so much easier.
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I would try this. 
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IronClaymore posted:That's more likely to be dairy products. Like those guys who were fired after it was discovered they were using the milking machine as a fleshlight. Hahaha, I would love to see the article on that! I really would like to try horse myself. A horse burger too. I'd probably be fine with it since I'd just shower it in salt. Salted meat is always good.
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Still, this is better than what ends up in the London meat pies... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7LhNCK2axY
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OtherworldlyInvader posted:This didn't happen in the US. Depends on the state. All forms of eating your horse is illegal in CA, unless you are doing it in your own field and not selling it, and not having Peta crawl up your rear end. What's really strange is that the stuff is mostly processed (in the states) at different places, and even when transporting the animals, the trailers have to be cleaned when switching animal. You can haul pigs and other critters in your bullrack, but if you switch from cows to pigs (live hauling) you have to have your trailer steam cleaned out. If it was 30% horse DNA, this isn't just not cleaning the machines between switching animals, this is flat out cutting meat supplies with another meat. Kinda like how China tried to kill all our pets by poisoning the filler used in 80% of the pet foods a couple of years ago.
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I'm from the US and this is bizarre to me. All you people that are saying horse meat is delicious just seems foal, err foul to me. Tell me, is it that common that horses are eaten in the EU? I've been to China and have eaten bugs, black eggs (of a thousand years), and ate my way around a baby chick in soup (Cantonese delicacy). Oh and dog once but on mistake. Horse is mans best, BEST friend. We ride him for transpo and we use him for hauling. We eat him too? Its bizarre to me. Is this really that common in the EU or even the US because I've never heard of it and I've been around for awhile and been around the world a few times? Russell William Thorpe posted:Best tweet @digitim Zebra?? Ok, I would eat zebra. Hi Jinks fucked around with this message at Jan 18, 2013 around 06:01 |
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Best tweet @digitim Traces of Zebra found in Tesco barcodes.
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Hi Jinks posted:I'm from the US and this is bizarre to me. All you people that are saying horse meat is delicious just seems foal, err foul to me. It not really a "Hey kids, we're having horse for dinner tonight!" thing, but many mainland European countries serve dishes that use horse meat. There are even restaurants that specialize specifically in horse burgers.
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Hi Jinks posted:Tell me, is it that common that horses are eaten in the EU? Hi Jinks posted:Horse is mans best, BEST friend. We ride him for transpo and we use him for hauling. We eat him too? Its bizarre to me. Is this really that common in the EU or even the US because I've never heard of it and I've been around for awhile and been around the world a few times?
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Horse meat isn't kosher because horses don't chew their own cud. That said, for people who aren't kosher, I don't see what's wrong with eating horse. It's just another mammal that's edible. The issue is more false advertising, which is why we Jews don't trust advertising and buy our meat only after Rabbis check it. People put all kinds of poo poo in their body that's worse than horse. Sand, other food extenders. Pretty much any kind of food extender that you find in a fast food place shouldn't be in you.
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Visit Melbourne on Australia day, head down to Grill'd and get yourself a minced emu roo burger. Actually skip Melbourne, come down any day and just shoot yourself a roo and throw it in a bun with some spinach. Horse meat also tastes pretty good. Obviously I'll eat anything 
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A Sloth posted:Looks like nothing labelled as British Beef has any foreign pig or horse in it.
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toxic8aker posted:British beef is people! *May also contain traces of madcow*
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Jews are confusing. They'll only eat "clean" meat (they're being lied to) but sucking eight day old baby penis is ok. The world is such a strange place.  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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MrChupon posted:I never understood the hate Taco Bell gets (well, maybe for how it tastes, but I mean for the meat composition). It's not roach meat, it's just beef cut with oats. Sure that's not good for you from a "fill up on carbs" perspective, but it's not really gross. An essential part of being an American is talking mad poo poo about fast food and then eating it when no one is looking.
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Beardless Riker posted:The biggest question is who cares? People already purchase and eat it regularly. It's a point proven, meat is delicious and man is the dominant animal over all. gently caress horses, I hope I've eaten a thousand horses. Oh sorry I forgot they have more of a soul than a cow!! Most people don't really care about eating horse, they care about being lied to. Trust is extremely important when you're trusting some one to make the stuff you eat. If they're lying to you about what kind of meat this is, then what else are they lying to you about? If I can't even trust they'll sell me the right species of animal how can I trust that they're following sanitation standards, properly screening animals for disease, safely processing and storing the meat, fairly weighing the product, ect.
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