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Space Jam posted:Easy misteak to make, I always confuse cows and horses. Puts me in mind of this; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2y7on8WKjY It's a pity that so many people don't have easy access to a butcher, the meat is nicer and, suprisingly, cheaper than supermarkets.
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As a vegetarian I am massively unsympathetic towards people that claim to be disgusted by the presence of horse meat in their burgers. Yes there is an ethical issue around labeling, that is valid. But you happily chomp away on some mammals and get upset at eating traces of others? Bah.
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| # ? Jan 18, 2013 14:21 |
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I don't get it. Horse meat is just another meat and eating it is normal, you even get specific horse meat products in most parts of the world. I agree it's really weird to use it without labeling though, I mean that's just a waste. Horse meat is premium meat that you can use in premium products, wasting it on microwave burgers is just really bad business.
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| # ? Jan 18, 2013 14:36 |
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Wingless posted:As a vegetarian I am massively unsympathetic towards people that claim to be disgusted by the presence of horse meat in their burgers. Yes there is an ethical issue around labeling, that is valid. But you happily chomp away on some mammals and get upset at eating traces of others? Bah.
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Hra Mormo posted:I don't get it. Horse meat is just another meat and eating it is normal, you even get specific horse meat products in most parts of the world. I agree it's really weird to use it without labeling though, I mean that's just a waste. Horse meat is premium meat that you can use in premium products, wasting it on microwave burgers is just really bad business.
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Wingless posted:As a vegetarian I am massively unsympathetic towards people that claim to be disgusted by the presence of horse meat in their burgers. Yes there is an ethical issue around labeling, that is valid. But you happily chomp away on some mammals and get upset at eating traces of others? Bah. I think it's more of a matter of if there is horse meat in and no one knew, what other dodgy practices are going on, more than eating actual horse. But if it is that for some people then what's wrong with that. People don't eat dogs here because they like them. Lots of people eat fish but not meat. Each to their own man.
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IoT posted:CJD (Mad cow disease), Foot and mouth, parasites, disease, vet medicine contamination, religious dietary restrictions, food labeling laws, ecoli contamination, hormone growth factors, antibiotics etc. etc.
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"Whilst there is a plausible explanation for the presence of pig and HUMAN DNA in these products due to the fact that meat from different animals is processed in the same meat plants, there is no clear explanation at this time for the presence of horse DNA in products emanating from meat plants that do not use horse meat in their production process," Prof Reilly said. Human DNA, you say? I gather the plausible explanation has something to do with the special sauce? Hello? Is this thing on?
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Peenigrippe posted:Human DNA, you say? I gather the plausible explanation has something to do with the special sauce? Best case scenario: someone wasn't wearing gloves, and skin cells/blood wound up in the meat. Worst case scenario: someone's loving your hamburger meat
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Cantorsdust posted:Best case scenario: someone wasn't wearing gloves, and skin cells/blood wound up in the meat. Or secret ingredient is actually Soylent Green.
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Just someone accidentally chopping off a finger, nothing to stop the grinders for.
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| # ? Jan 18, 2013 15:28 |
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So that's where April Jones got to. (too soon?)
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| # ? Jan 18, 2013 15:33 |
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I was drinking "Tesco Everyday Value Pure Orange Juice" when I found this thread. how much horse blood did i just drink
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| # ? Jan 18, 2013 15:37 |
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I heard the Monty Python burger contains up to 30% coconut. They also tested British Chips Ahoy cookies, found out they contain up to 30% Seabiscuit. Wendy's UK's new slogan: Mare's the Beef This has been happening since Elizabethan times. "A horse! A horse! My kingdom for a horse!" - I think that's a line from Burger King Lear. Foal me twice, shame on you! Looking forward to summer, love me some Unicorn on the cob! They asked Hannibal Lecter for comment, he doesn't have a problem with eating hores. I hope Gordon Ramsay gets a new show called Stable Nightmares. "IT'S DONKEY YOU [swear]" Oh well. They slaughterhouses are already saddled with a lot of responsibility, hopefully this spurs the government into action. The problem hasn't been going on furlong, I know, but they need to hoof these guys out. Time to quit horsing around and rein in the puns. This whole situation is a night mare. I don't want to stirrup any controversy. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Cantorsdust posted:Best case scenario: someone wasn't wearing gloves, and skin cells/blood wound up in the meat. Double worst case scenario: Someone's loving corpses and putting them in your hamburger meat.
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Crankit posted:Double worst case scenario: Someone's loving corpses and putting them in your hamburger meat.
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Cardiovorax posted:I didn't mean to say it's harmless, I was just wondering if they were actually breaking food safety regulations. Those can be a lot more lenient than you'd think. I suppose from the way everyone is "very concerned" about it that they probably are, though. Meat processing regulations across the EU are supposedly very strict and are governed by multiple EU directives. In theory you are required to be able to track every burger back through the supply chain. Every carcass at the abattoir should be inspected for disease. Cattle have there own passports and there are strict regulations concerning what can and can't go into the human food chain. In principle beef and horses shouldn't even be processed in the same processing plants. The burgers at the center of this were all produced by three processing facilities in UK and Ireland but they in turn had all their beef (and presumably horse) supplied by upstream processors in Europe. If you assume that the three plants in UK and Ireland didn't deliberately introduce horse into their budget burgers then something happened upstream.
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Having mid-stage liver cancer is a bummer. Some days I'll be fine, and can eat like a horse. Lately though, any food pretty much makes me throw-up....just reading about eatin' hoss this morning makes me feel rather queasy. You know though, I kind of wonder if horse meat is really cheaper than cow meat, and is it economical anyway to have some of it in with the burger. If it is cheaper, than it would make sense. However, I think it is an issue of incompetence and simple laziness to have horse meat mixed in with cow meat. Kind of makes me wanna avoid meat altogether.
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Krazie K posted:
I suspect horse rear end in a top hat is cheaper than most any non rear end in a top hat part of the cow.
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WendigoJohnson posted:Well I don't see horse meat in the UK being such a big deal, but they're right about the pork in the meat on religious grounds.
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Hra Mormo posted:I don't get it. Horse meat is just another meat and eating it is normal, you even get specific horse meat products in most parts of the world. I agree it's really weird to use it without labeling though, I mean that's just a waste. Horse meat is premium meat that you can use in premium products, wasting it on microwave burgers is just really bad business. I dunno man I think people are more worried at the implications inherent in a package that contained 30% of a different animal than advertised. No one here is going "Horse meat? Eww that's something I've never had, eww." They're more worried about what else they may be putting in their crap to cut costs. How would you know if the ingredients label is what the supermarket hopes is in it?
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Xachariah posted:I dunno man I think people are more worried at the implications inherent in a package that contained 30% of a different animal than advertised. No one here is going "Horse meat? Eww that's something I've never had, eww." They're more worried about what else they may be putting in their crap to cut costs. How would you know if the ingredients label is what the supermarket hopes is in it? It's pretty transparent that the fact it was horse DNA is what is at the core of most of the concern, no matter how much people will try to deflect/rationalize it as something else. You wouldn't find such an uproar about false advertising/dubious practices if this were about receiving lobster instead of crab meat. It's basically "I'm upset I got something of lesser value as I'm conditioned only to find certain animals acceptable for consumption."
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Yeah we shouldn't make companies brain wash us into liking certain foods via advertising anymore. Just give me an unmarked box of 'meat product' and call it beef.
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I'd bet any money that it wasn't the fault of the food manufacturers, but a sign from a mobster to the horse's owner. The next time he's told to let the horse lose in the fifth, he'd Goddamned well better do it. 
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Personperson14 posted:What's the point of putting horse meat in there in the first place? I'm pretty sure Horse meat would cost more. I suspect we don't eat it because culturally, horses were (and still are to people who like bruised thighs) useful, so we have some attachment to them more than cows, and the idea of eating them now sets some people off. Also, maybe they don't taste good. If I could try one unkosher beef, I would try yak. Really so I could say I'd done it.
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Mister Macys posted:I'd bet any money that it wasn't the fault of the food manufacturers, but a sign from a mobster to the horse's owner. I didn't give the Don's nephew a part in my new movie, and woke up with a stack of Tescoe burgers in the bed next to me.
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Cry Havoc posted:It's pretty transparent that the fact it was horse DNA is what is at the core of most of the concern, no matter how much people will try to deflect/rationalize it as something else. You wouldn't find such an uproar about false advertising/dubious practices if this were about receiving lobster instead of crab meat. dj_clawson posted:Also, maybe they don't taste good.
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Cry Havoc posted:It's pretty transparent that the fact it was horse DNA is what is at the core of most of the concern, no matter how much people will try to deflect/rationalize it as something else. You wouldn't find such an uproar about false advertising/dubious practices if this were about receiving lobster instead of crab meat. It is completely irrelevant why horse meat is not a common consumable. The important thing is that it is not a common consumable. Getting Lobster instead of Crab indicates only a very minor gently caress-up somewhere along the line. There is no reason to assume that the lobster indicates anything worrying about the crab supply chain. Horse meat is not consumed as food in Ireland and the UK. Which means something went very wrong very early in what is supposed to be an extremely strictly regulated supply chain. The implications about the security and enforcement of this regulation are now in serious question.
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Cry Havoc posted:It's pretty transparent that the fact it was horse DNA is what is at the core of most of the concern, no matter how much people will try to deflect/rationalize it as something else. You wouldn't find such an uproar about false advertising/dubious practices if this were about receiving lobster instead of crab meat. Having lived in Maryland for over a decade, I can guarantee that any restaurant who served a crab cake that wasn't 100% lump crab meat would be burned to the ground. It's also worth noting that shellfish allergies are very serious, so even a trace of crab or lobster in something that's supposed to be only fish will get you shut down open you up to a whole world of lawsuits. You sound silly and should probably take your vegan silliness somewhere else.
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Kaptain K posted:Horse is delicious I speak from personal experience. Same. Though they could've been falsely advertising and giving us pork or beef seeing as this was the Philippines. Still loving delicious, unlike the kidneys I had in China
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I'm still going to buy those burgers from Tesco because Horse Meat is loving harmless and I'm not an over-reactionary consumer. e. In fact you know what gently caress it, just sell me Horse burgers, bit of salt n' pepper, bet they're tasty.
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Xachariah posted:I dunno man I think people are more worried at the implications inherent in a package that contained 30% of a different animal than advertised. No one here is going "Horse meat? Eww that's something I've never had, eww." They're more worried about what else they may be putting in their crap to cut costs. How would you know if the ingredients label is what the supermarket hopes is in it? it's funny when you don't read the article and just assume that the thread title is accurate and then hit POST
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Slanderer posted:it's funny when you don't read the article and just assume that the thread title is accurate and then hit POST BBC posted:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21038521 That article?
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reallivedinosaur posted:It's also worth noting that shellfish allergies are very serious, so even a trace of crab or lobster in something that's supposed to be only fish will get you shut down open you up to a whole world of lawsuits. Yes, that's why I used a lobster vs. crab example. So being a meat-eater who points out that people tend to disguise their true motivations behind more nobler ones makes you a vegan? 
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That would never happen in  because we don't eat horsies.However, eating horse meat makes you swole just ask Alistair Overeem.  
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^^^^^ As an American who has only left to visit parts of Latin America, I've never had horse. I'd love to try it, though, glue factory be damned.Wingless posted:As a vegetarian I am massively unsympathetic towards people that claim to be disgusted by the presence of horse meat in their burgers. Yes there is an ethical issue around labeling, that is valid. But you happily chomp away on some mammals and get upset at eating traces of others? Bah. People deserve to be told truthfully what they're getting is what they're getting. If your vegetables, fruit, bread, Snickers, whatever weren't what they were advertised, you would care, too. Being a vegetarian doesn't excuse you from empathy of others.
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Cry Havoc posted:Yes, that's why I used a lobster vs. crab example. No vegans tend to jump on any thread that has to do with meat looking down their noses at everyone. So when someone acts like that, it's generally a safe conclusion. And quality control in the shellfish industry is really strict, much more than for land animals. Bad shellfish kills people. Your example is still silly.
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IronClaymore posted:Though I did just think of something. Are there any links between organised crime and meat industries? Because how does the mafia dispose of bodies nowadays? It doesn't even have to be high level links: You are always going to have problems lifting the body in one piece, apparently the best thing to do is cut up the body into six pieces and pile it all together. And when you got your six pieces you've got to get rid of them cuz its no good leaving it in the deep freeze for your mum to discover now is it? Then I hear the best thing to do is feed them to pigs. You've got to starve the pigs for a few days then the sight of a chopped up body will look like curry to a pisshead. You've got to shave the heads of your victims and pull the teeth out for the sake of the piggy's digestion. You could do this afterwards of course , but you don't want to go sieving through pig poo poo now do ya? They will go through bone like butter. You need at least 16 pigs to finish the job in one sitting, so be wary of any man who keeps a pig farm. They will go through a body that weighs 200 pounds in about 8 minutes. That means that a single pig can consume 2 pounds of uncooked flesh every minute. Hence the expression "as greedy as a pig"
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Wingless posted:As a vegetarian I am massively unsympathetic towards people that claim to be disgusted by the presence of horse meat in their burgers. Yes there is an ethical issue around labeling, that is valid. But you happily chomp away on some mammals and get upset at eating traces of others? Bah. As a vegetarian you should at least respect that people have the right to know what they're putting in their bodies, consent and all that jazz. Or would you be excited to find out your favorite brand of soy product contained slurry chemical byproduct they tossed in just as filler with no mention anywhere on the labeling? Don't be a hypocrite; not that I should be surprised someone with a JTHM avatar might think in one-dimension, but at least try. StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at Jan 18, 2013 around 20:43 |
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Wingless posted:As a vegetarian I am massively unsympathetic towards people that claim to be disgusted by the presence of horse meat in their burgers. Yes there is an ethical issue around labeling, that is valid. But you happily chomp away on some mammals and get upset at eating traces of others? Bah. So do you want to know what major organic veggie outdoor sorter is right next door to the sewer treatment plant poo poo ponds? That was a horrible place, and human feces had to have been everywhere.
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