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Here is the thing: horse meat is a delicious delicacy and there is nothing wrong with eating it. However, it is very very wrong for a meat merchant to present horsemeat and call it beef. I do not understand how anyone would be ok with that.
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| # ? Jan 19, 2013 17:54 |
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It's the classic vegan "point out the hypocrisy of those who don't mind eating cows but don't like the idea of eating pet animals or killing things themselves". Its a point that many hardened veggies are keen to point out at every opportunity and there is always one in every forum. I'll confess, I don't particularly like the idea of eating horse. It's not an "omg no" but not a positive choice personally. They're too sort of domesticated, I guess. Though its not as bad as the thought of eating "man's best friend". Yes its probably a double standard.. whatever. Every time a vegan goes all sanctimonious about it, it just makes me more stubborn and raises more thoughts of "I don't want to end up like that" Level of "veg(eteri)an-ness" is such that completely on my own or in the company of other veggies I'd possibly convert but it's not enough of an issue to with the current circumstances and eating out socially with other meat eaters etc. Nor would it be enough of an issue to get on anyone's backs about it. But yeah, the main issue here is the implications it has having been labelled as beef. GargleBlaster fucked around with this message at Jan 19, 2013 around 18:00 |
| # ? Jan 19, 2013 17:57 |
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Here is the heart of the matter: a poopsmith presenting a horse and calling it poop is wrong. I know very few people who would accept that regardless of how delicious the meat percentage might be. Standards are there for a reason
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| # ? Jan 19, 2013 18:13 |
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Horse is actually quite a lean form of consumable meat. Quite a unique taste to it as well. I don't see why it's wrong to eat horse.
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| # ? Jan 19, 2013 18:22 |
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Sotore posted:Horse is actually quite a lean form of consumable meat. Quite a unique taste to it as well. I don't see why it's wrong to eat horse.
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| # ? Jan 19, 2013 19:05 |
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Spatial posted:Are you trying to say that if something tastes good, it's morally right to eat it? Hedonism isn't a very good moral philosophy. Are you saying that because a horse is [insert some poo poo justification here], it's worse to eat it than a pig or a cow? The only reason I don't wolf down cats and dogs daily is that they're not tasty as poo poo. Horses are. e: And yeah to the main point while I think horse is awesome to eat they should be selling what's on the ingredients list, not a bunch of mixed crap. Nurge fucked around with this message at Jan 19, 2013 around 19:17 |
| # ? Jan 19, 2013 19:10 |
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Spatial posted:Are you trying to say that if something tastes good, it's morally right to eat it? Hedonism isn't a very good moral philosophy. If the horse didn't want to be eaten then horse-kind should have have invented better weapons.
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| # ? Jan 19, 2013 19:10 |
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Spatial posted:Are you trying to say that if something tastes good, it's morally right to eat it? Hedonism isn't a very good moral philosophy.
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| # ? Jan 19, 2013 19:18 |
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Sotore posted:Horse is actually quite a lean form of consumable meat. Quite a unique taste to it as well. I don't see why it's wrong to eat horse. I've never had horse but I'd like to. Who wouldn't want to eat something muscular? It possibly had to do a bunch of work so the meat would definitely be lean and good to eat. Somewhat opposite of a fat cow that chills and moos all day.
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| # ? Jan 19, 2013 19:41 |
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Captain Gordon posted:Here is the thing: horse meat is a delicious delicacy and there is nothing wrong with eating it. Why the gently caress not? It would be quite a pleasant surprise imho.
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| # ? Jan 19, 2013 19:44 |
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serious norman posted:Why the gently caress not? It would be quite a pleasant surprise imho. Because labeling something as one thing when it's actually something entirely different is wrong.
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| # ? Jan 19, 2013 20:18 |
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Nurge posted:Are you saying that because a horse is [insert some poo poo justification here], it's worse to eat it than a pig or a cow? The only reason I don't wolf down cats and dogs daily is that they're not tasty as poo poo. Horses are. I doubt you'd really eat cats and dogs every day though. I wouldn't do it because no matter how much I salivated at the thought, something as trivial as a foodstuff definitely wouldn't be worth the social blowback.
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| # ? Jan 19, 2013 20:33 |
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Spatial posted:I'm just saying it's bad reasoning. I also enjoy eating meat. Well that's the thing. I think there wouldn't be a social blowback if they were delicious, or at least it would be severely diminished. It'd just be another thing at the meat section in the market. I mean maybe the pet idea is stronger than I think it is, but people eat turtle meat too, because it is tasty as poo poo. People also keep pigs as pets. I really do think the main separator here is how tasty something is, instead of the some kind of wonky social status we ascribe to different animals. e: I also think the main reason horses are not considered food animals in some parts of the world (mainly US as far as I know) is that they used to be way too valuable for other qualities to eat, and it has transformed into some sort of odd semi-taboo over the years. Nurge fucked around with this message at Jan 19, 2013 around 20:54 |
| # ? Jan 19, 2013 20:50 |
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You may be right. I hadn't considered those examples.
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| # ? Jan 19, 2013 20:52 |
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GargleBlaster posted:It's the classic vegan "point out the hypocrisy of those who don't mind eating cows but don't like the idea of eating pet animals or killing things themselves". Its a point that many hardened veggies are keen to point out at every opportunity and there is always one in every forum. True, although thinking that way about certain meat consumption taboos isn't limited to hardened veggies; you can also be a meat-eater with integrity. But yeah, in the end you should get what you're paying for. Cry Havoc fucked around with this message at Jan 19, 2013 around 22:24 |
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Nurge posted:I also think the main reason poops are not considered food animals in some parts of the world (mainly US as far as I know) is that they used to be way too valuable for other qualities to eat, and it has transformed into some sort of odd semi-taboo over the years. The taboo is yours, friend. Sotore posted:Poop is actually quite a lean form of consumable meat. Quite a unique taste to it as well. I don't see why it's wrong to eat poop. This
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| # ? Jan 19, 2013 22:57 |
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Cry Havoc posted:True, although thinking that way about certain meat consumption taboos isn't limited to hardened veggies; you can also be a meat-eater with integrity. That's true. There are things like "organic" farming, free range etc. Personally I'd prefer that the cow I'm about to chomp at least had a comfortable life up to then and didn't die an agonising death (though knowing how dishonest they are with things like putting horse meat in beef burgers, I have to admit, this may be more fantasy than reality)
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| # ? Jan 19, 2013 23:05 |
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I don't really see the problem with eating horses, it's good meat. poo poo, over in China people eat cats and dogs, why are horses so special?
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| # ? Jan 19, 2013 23:08 |
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DionysisTheBold posted:I don't really see the problem with eating horses, it's good meat. Tell us more about the Chinese 
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| # ? Jan 19, 2013 23:20 |
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GargleBlaster posted:That's true. An animal that dies an agonizing death will taste like poo poo. The substances released into the system during the agony part ruin the meat. Yes, that is an actual thing.
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DionysisTheBold posted:I don't really see the problem with eating horses, it's good meat. Actually, the Swiss are known to do the same thing too. Mostly in rural parts.
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| # ? Jan 19, 2013 23:47 |
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Nurge posted:Well that's the thing. I think there wouldn't be a social blowback if they were delicious, or at least it would be severely diminished. It'd just be another thing at the meat section in the market. I mean maybe the pet idea is stronger than I think it is, but people eat turtle meat too, because it is tasty as poo poo. People also keep pigs as pets. I really do think the main separator here is how tasty something is, instead of the some kind of wonky social status we ascribe to different animals.
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| # ? Jan 20, 2013 00:14 |
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On one hand its wrong that the packaging doesn't indicate that the product is not all cow meat. On the other hand horses are still meat.uG posted:No, if you replaced beef with something that may have tasted better (impossible) people would still be loving pissed. Why the hell do you believe otherwise? Not to mention a rather large irrational aversion among many people to eating things considered "cute"; not eating horses seems to be a thing in the USA.
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| # ? Jan 20, 2013 00:47 |
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DSauer posted:On one hand its wrong that the packaging doesn't indicate that the product is not all cow meat. On the other hand horses are still meat. I think they only use the non-meat parts of an animal for those pre-packaged hamburgers. Or 'meat-like substances' as they're called.
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| # ? Jan 20, 2013 00:52 |
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Wingless posted:Did all y'all miss the bit... I don't think we'all was talkin' 'bout dat part of yer comment.
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| # ? Jan 20, 2013 01:01 |
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DSauer posted:On one hand its wrong that the packaging doesn't indicate that the product is not all cow meat. On the other hand horses are still meat. The boxes, or the Tesco ones at least, indicated it was beef, I'd be fine if they sneaked it in by calling them meat burgers and listing cheval as an ingredient.
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| # ? Jan 20, 2013 01:03 |
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Nenonen posted:I think they only use the non-meat parts of an animal for those pre-packaged hamburgers. Or 'meat-like substances' as they're called. Those parts are still perfectly edible if you force them through a fine enough sieve.
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| # ? Jan 20, 2013 01:22 |
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GargleBlaster posted:That's true. If you're killing an animal to eat it its pretty obvious you're disregarding its feelings towards staying alive. Why do you really care how the cow lived other than some weird mentality of meat-eater's guilt?
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ColoradoCleric posted:If you're killing an animal to eat it its pretty obvious you're disregarding its feelings towards staying alive. Why do you really care how the cow lived other than some weird mentality of meat-eater's guilt? Because making an animal live in constant pain or discomfort then doing a sloppy job of slaughtering it is kind of a dick thing to do. It's possible to like to eat a steak without wanting the cow to have been badly taken care of.
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| # ? Jan 20, 2013 02:23 |
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Drunk & Ugly posted:Here is the heart of the matter: a poopsmith presenting a horse and calling it poop is wrong. I know very few people who would accept that regardless of how delicious the meat percentage might be. Standards are there for a reason Funny thing about our "standards" is that they seem arbitrary, especially here in the Western world when it comes to food. So why is horse meat bad and beef from a cow okay? Religious doctrine? Tradition? Nutrition? Or ultimately, texture and taste? But I agree mostly that it's not the quality so much as false packaging. If you put in on the label, it had better be in the food, and if it ain't on the tin, it had better not be in there! 
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| # ? Jan 20, 2013 02:45 |
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Im ready to eat the poo poo out of these piece of poo poo horses. Who's with me??
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| # ? Jan 20, 2013 03:32 |
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Put this in your sig if youre For Horse Eating.
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| # ? Jan 20, 2013 03:33 |
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Blast of Confetti posted:Because making an animal live in constant pain or discomfort then doing a sloppy job of slaughtering it is kind of a dick thing to do. This I accept killing something, and that there's a difference between killing it and torturing it. Not that that works in the black-and-white vegan world. (with apologies to the reasonable vegans/vegetarians. I'm friends with one so they do exist) GargleBlaster fucked around with this message at Jan 20, 2013 around 04:22 |
| # ? Jan 20, 2013 04:19 |
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If beef can include horse meat, and this is not explainable by the producers, why would they not be able ensure the beef does not give Mad Cow Disease? I would think it very easy to be able to trace back exactly where the meat came from. What is taking so long? Has an official investigation started?
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| # ? Jan 20, 2013 04:38 |
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False alarm guys, there's no need to worry about the food chain of command. After some investingating I've found out how the horse DNA is getting into food. Horses get very lonely and sometimes, just sometimes if you're lucky they'll have sex with your burger.
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| # ? Jan 20, 2013 15:01 |
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Horse meat is weird. Any society with enough meat sources will usually make some animals' meat taboo, but horse meat is like half-taboo. I would eat some but it seems like they would be a lot more valuable alive.
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| # ? Jan 20, 2013 16:33 |
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timefly posted:Horse meat is weird. Any society with enough meat sources will usually make some animals' meat taboo, but horse meat is like half-taboo. I would eat some but it seems like they would be a lot more valuable alive. People get attached to certain animals such as horses, cats, and dogs, which makes those meat sources taboo. You can certainly go and buy odder meat products such as alligator, kangaroo, antelope, ostrich, the list goes on. The article does just say horse DNA. If the slaughterhouses do many different animals, you could get cross contamination. That would like how on candy you see "This product also produced in a factory that handles peanuts. May contain peanuts".
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| # ? Jan 20, 2013 17:22 |
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Wki posted:The article does just say horse DNA. If the slaughterhouses do many different animals, you could get cross contamination. That would like how on candy you see "This product also produced in a factory that handles peanuts. May contain peanuts". And just in case you really are that out of touch: The brain-eating hell disease is a reference to CJD, a brain-eating hell disease. e: And just in case you are having that much trouble reading the thread, the over a quarter refers to the Tesco burgers which contained 29% horse meat by volume. But no, it's just like finding traces of peanut in a factory that also makes peanut bars. Exactly the same. Splicer fucked around with this message at Jan 20, 2013 around 18:25 |
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Wki posted:People get attached to certain animals such as horses, cats, and dogs, which makes those meat sources taboo. You can certainly go and buy odder meat products such as alligator, kangaroo, antelope, ostrich, the list goes on. It should be noted that countries that do eat dog, they make a difference between a dog ment for food and a dog that's supposed to be a pet/working dog. They wouldn't eat dogs who's breeds are supposed to be pets, they even have a different words to distinguish them. WendigoJohnson fucked around with this message at Jan 20, 2013 around 18:52 |
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quote:"Whilst there is a plausible explanation for the presence of pig and human DNA in these products due to the fact that meat from different animals is processed in the same meat plants, there is no clear explanation at this time for the presence of horse DNA in products emanating from meat plants that do not use horse meat in their production process," Prof Reilly said. 
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