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Steelion
Aug 2, 2009


I just installed the newb-mod pack from the OP, and my shot/damage record is all smooshed up in the corner and overlapping with what I assume is system time. I'm pretty sure there's a way to shift everything around, but I don't know what it is.

I should probably stop being lazy and figure out how to install XVM at some point too.

e: I must be doing something wrong. I extracted XVM 3.3.1 to my game folder like the readme said, installed Dokan V6.0, and installed Hellsau's config file, but I'm still not getting anything except the damage tracker and a little "XVM 3.3.1" line on the map loading screen.

Steelion fucked around with this message at Jan 20, 2013 around 03:59

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demonR6
Sep 4, 2012

Gimme a minute,
not that much longer,
wait for it, wait for it...


rossmum posted:

PRO TIP: DON'T RAM A 53 TON TANK WITH MORE HITPOINTS THAN YOU UNLESS YOU HAVE BUILT UP LOADS OF SPEED.

You mean similar to what this rocket scientist was trying to accomplish??

rossmum
Dec 2, 2008

Cummander ross, reporting for duty!



Hahaha holy poo poo.

Pubbies never remember the loving Panther weights 45t. It owns.

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

King of Scheduling

To be fair, if the Panther got that close it was probably the preferable way for that M41 to go.

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Родина слышит


Dang, the "Wittman owns" thread got closed before I could show this to mister "all German kill counts are perfect and infallible".

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

Not one of the more complicated characters I've ever role-played over the years, honestly, but fun nevertheless.

Question: what's the best general channel in the TS to be in if I'm not currently platooning with goons?

Steelion
Aug 2, 2009


AlmightyPants posted:

To be fair, if the Panther got that close it was probably the preferable way for that M41 to go.

I savaged a Panther with my M41 in my first game with it today. Hit it once in the side for 750 damage, then finished it off shortly afterwards.

It was immensely satisfying.

demonR6
Sep 4, 2012

Gimme a minute,
not that much longer,
wait for it, wait for it...


AlmightyPants posted:

To be fair, if the Panther got that close it was probably the preferable way for that M41 to go.

I was in spectator on the Panther since he was one of the last remaining tanks and was wiping his way across the map chewing people up when suddenly this guy comes out of nowhere slamming into the Panther and blowing the gently caress up. When the smoke cleared the M41 was a smoking turd and the Panther survived to kill the Panther that was just above the hill and the KV-1 around the corner. He won the match for us..

You can see the impact on this screen and the Panther buckles from the hit. I asked the M41 if he was just out of ammo and he said no, he just thought it was a good idea. Mmm hmm..

I made a video using screens from the replay that I threw up on YouTube with Ride of the Valkyries as the track and sent it to the M41 driver since he was a good sport a stupid moron and needed to be reminded of it.

The Panther was at 35% before impact by the way.

SHISHKABOB
Nov 30, 2012

If you note the positions of the shadows, it's clear that I'm lost.

Send help.


I see a thread in GD called "Tiger I armor" and I see that EnsignExpendable is the last person to post in it. I already know it's gonna be a fun read

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

I'm so
mad. im
gonna
have sex
with my
girl friend
so i wont
be so mad


Steelion posted:

e: I must be doing something wrong. I extracted XVM 3.3.1 to my game folder like the readme said, installed Dokan V6.0, and installed Hellsau's config file, but I'm still not getting anything except the damage tracker and a little "XVM 3.3.1" line on the map loading screen.

There's a file at the bottom of the list on XVM's google code site, called "xvm-stat-1.1.0.zip". Extract that to your root WoT folder and run it instead of the launcher. Or don't and trust us when we say pubbies are loving bad holy poo poo.

Largepotato
Jan 18, 2007

Spurd.

demonR6 posted:

I was in spectator on the Panther since he was one of the last remaining tanks and was wiping his way across the map chewing people up when suddenly this guy comes out of nowhere slamming into the Panther and blowing the gently caress up. When the smoke cleared the M41 was a smoking turd and the Panther survived to kill the Panther that was just above the hill and the KV-1 around the corner. He won the match for us..

You can see the impact on this screen and the Panther buckles from the hit. I asked the M41 if he was just out of ammo and he said no, he just thought it was a good idea. Mmm hmm..

I made a video using screens from the replay that I threw up on YouTube with Ride of the Valkyries as the track and sent it to the M41 driver since he was a good sport a stupid moron and needed to be reminded of it.

The Panther was at 35% before impact by the way.



Would have been a good plan if he had actually shot the panther on the way in.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

Not one of the more complicated characters I've ever role-played over the years, honestly, but fun nevertheless.

One kill short of Top Gun. Hetzer in Mines, northern spawn. Set up shop on the hill by the base and went to town.

Steelion
Aug 2, 2009


Hellsau posted:

There's a file at the bottom of the list on XVM's google code site, called "xvm-stat-1.1.0.zip". Extract that to your root WoT folder and run it instead of the launcher. Or don't and trust us when we say pubbies are loving bad holy poo poo.

Yeah I figured it out on my own a little while back. I don't think I did the config right, though, because it doesn't look like your screenshot earlier. I'll keep poking around at it.

Of course, now that I've installed it, my last 10 games have been awful. Gonna take a break then try again.

JuffoWup
Mar 28, 2012


Largepotato posted:

Would have been a good plan if he had actually shot the panther on the way in.

My thoughts exactly

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012



Cythereal posted:

Question: what's the best general channel in the TS to be in if I'm not currently platooning with goons?

The SGLE channel. Just don’t screw around in there during Clan Wars. At off hours, sometimes Baby StuG’s channel snowballs and becomes the general channel.

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

King of Scheduling

With the Type T-34, I've noticed that by researching the light and medium tanks that come off it you get the radio and engine, respectively. In other words, you can elite the tank for ~9,000 xp less than advertised.

That said, is it worthwhile to research these modules on the Type T-34? I'm uncertain right now as to where I stand on it, as while it might be redundant and somewhat of a waste, it's more xp for what I'm planning on having as one of my tank crews.

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

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AlmightyPants posted:

With the Type T-34, I've noticed that by researching the light and medium tanks that come off it you get the radio and engine, respectively. In other words, you can elite the tank for ~9,000 xp less than advertised.

That said, is it worthwhile to research these modules on the Type T-34? I'm uncertain right now as to where I stand on it, as while it might be redundant and somewhat of a waste, it's more xp for what I'm planning on having as one of my tank crews.

Having the upgraded engine be the next tank's elite engine is a feature of the Soviet tree that the T-34->Type 58 transition obviously inherits.

New thread, new SerBfacts

The Chinese Stuart and American Stuart have different weights and horse power. SerB says that the Chinese data is more correct. The American engine is going to be changed in the future, but that will lead to the entire tank being rebalanced.
The task of letting the player exclude maps is technically difficult, and they haven't started on it yet (but they're thinking about it really hard).
For technical reasons, modules can't be shared between tech trees (Soviet/Chinese guns, French/German engines). This will never change.
Stock configurations aren't considered very much when balancing tanks.
No new equipment is currently planned.
No new company tier limits are planned.
There were tanks with rotating turrets where the gun could be aimed horizontally without rotating the turret, but they won't be in the game.
Artillery might not be moved up in the currently existing order when trees are stretched out (perhaps addressing the Priest and M37 mixup?)
Tank popularity is based on the amount of tanks that exist in the garage, not the amount of times they are driven in battle. Tank popularity is a secondary parameter in balancing.
"No comment" on a third kind of vehicles, the two existing being regular (for grinding) and premium (for credit farming).
The SU-85(i) premium was never intended for sale in the store. The SU-76(i) was. The tiers for either are not yet set.
Setting someone on fire doesn't count towards the Bombardier medal.
A ricocheting shell loses 10% of its penetration.
German L/100 guns will not be used in the Daimler-Benz tree.
Nothing else suitable for tier 5 was sent in by Chinese archives, aside from a T-34.
All nations are balanced in terms of win rate.
Tier 10 Chinese heavy and medium, added up, make the Object 167M (which the Chinese had no knowledge of). (Who was the guy that said they were randomly handed out stock/upgraded modules? Good guess!)
The Soviets will get low tier tanks with a DShK 12.7mm machine gun.
AA tanks and amphibious tanks won't be put in the game in the observable time frame (drat, no T-90 to troll pubbies with).
Serene Coast is currently under the watchful eye of the maps department for being too linear (the minimum amount of approaches through a map should be 3, Serene Coast only has two).
The tank's icon in the garage is the closest possible configuration to historical.
There aren't enough Canadian tanks to form a tree. Canadian tanks will most likely be added as a part of the British tree, like the tanks of all dominions and colonies of the Empire.
Arty limits will be raised accordingly in Company battles once the trees are stretched out.
Dragon's Ridge and Serene Coast will be excluded from random game rotation in patch 0.8.4



Q: Mr SerB, you are somewhat of a legend among the forum posters! There are even photographs of you making obscene gestures that get posted! How do you feel about that?
A: I don't give a gently caress.



Q: Dear SerB, is the project so unprofitable that you're constantly cutting tank income?
A: Dear players, are your hands so crooked that you're constantly seeing decreased income?

Q: You said <whining>
A: Go buy a book on formal logic. They should have something about "cause and effect", this should be useful in life.

Q: Can we include limits for scouts in tier 10 games?
A: drat it, I knew that once we made it known that we can limit stuff they'll be asking us to limit everything!

Q: When will you buff the gun on the 113?
A: Post 1, Update 3, 14 day RO.

Q: I didn't read the whole thread, but...
A: That's easily corrected. Will 14 days be enough?

Q: I heard a rumour that Wargaming is going to retire BigWorld and make a new engine!
A: I heard a rumour that rumours are going to be forbidden.

Stravag
Jun 7, 2009


Platystemon posted:

The SGLE channel. Just don’t screw around in there during Clan Wars. At off hours, sometimes Baby StuG’s channel snowballs and becomes the general channel.

Bitches be following the GodKing of babystug

demonR6
Sep 4, 2012

Gimme a minute,
not that much longer,
wait for it, wait for it...


Above all things, this game is about making new friends. I think I made one tonight.

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

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Platystemon posted:

The SGLE channel. Just don’t screw around in there during Clan Wars. At off hours, sometimes Baby StuG’s channel snowballs and becomes the general channel.

The general channel drifts around. People just flow to the channel with the most people in it. Usually it's the SGLE/STUG channels, but the other day there were like 15 people in gently caress Quitters, and they weren't even doing a company or anything.

Steelion
Aug 2, 2009


Sorry to clutter the thread with my XVM mishaps, but does anyone know why sometimes the stats for other players won't load, or loads sporadically?

Additionally, how can I move the damage listing? On my screen it's partially hidden by other things in that corner, like the lag indicator, time, and player list.

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

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Steelion posted:

Sorry to clutter the thread with my XVM mishaps, but does anyone know why sometimes the stats for other players won't load, or loads sporadically?

Additionally, how can I move the damage listing? On my screen it's partially hidden by other things in that corner, like the lag indicator, time, and player list.

If the player has not played enough games to show up on the stat servers, he might not get any stats. When I play tier 2-3, as many as half the players show up with no stats.

If the connection to the stat server times out, you will only see the cached statistics, usually only your own.

CitizenKain
May 27, 2001

That was Gary Cooper, asshole.


The Chi-Ha is kinda hilarious, I ran it stock for a couple of games and the basic 57mm gun on it is probably one of the oddest guns. Its a low velocity howitzer style gun, so the AP and HE shells have a similar penetration value, but the HE does 20-30 more damage. The pen is stupidly low, but with all the Chinese and Brit tanks floating around, that isn't too big an issue.

But, the top end 47mm is too good not to use so there isn't a reason to stick around with the stock gun, but its kinda neat. Also, the Chi-Ha is a incredible step up from the lovely tier 2 tank, goddamn that thing is terrible.

Largepotato
Jan 18, 2007

Spurd.

demonR6 posted:

Above all things, this game is about making new friends. I think I made one tonight.





What you do to set him off?

Steelion
Aug 2, 2009


Ensign Expendable posted:

If the player has not played enough games to show up on the stat servers, he might not get any stats. When I play tier 2-3, as many as half the players show up with no stats.

If the connection to the stat server times out, you will only see the cached statistics, usually only your own.

Sounds like the second problem, then. Oh well.

Crunkjuice
Apr 4, 2007

That could've gotten in my eye!
*launches teargas at unarmed protestors*

I THINK OAKLAND PD'S USE OF EXCESSIVE FORCE WAS JUSTIFIED!


Largepotato posted:



What you do to set him off?

Well, 8 hours into my reinstall and i have a 24 hour chat ban for calling some wittmann a nazi apologist. He was artillery so i spent the entire round shooting into the air by him so he would get counterbatteried. Have pubs gotten bitchier?

Mr.48
May 1, 2007


I just drunk-bought a Dicker-Max for MAXIMUM DICKING.

The Locator
Sep 12, 2004

Cones fear me

Mr.48 posted:

I just drunk-bought a Dicker-Max for MAXIMUM DICKING.

Abuse the hell out of the gun depression on maps that allow it. The Dick is the only tank I own that I've been called a "hacker" with, since it apparently "shoots through hills".

In other news, pubbies don't understand gun depression and reverse slopes.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012



Steelion posted:

Sorry to clutter the thread with my XVM mishaps, but does anyone know why sometimes the stats for other players won't load, or loads sporadically?

Additionally, how can I move the damage listing? On my screen it's partially hidden by other things in that corner, like the lag indicator, time, and player list.

It’s just XVM’s servers being crappy, I think.

Move the hitlog with the x and y variables under hitlog, e.g.:

code:
  "hitLog": {
    "enabled": true,      // on/off switch
    "x": 370,             // X position (negative values - bind to right side of screen)
    "y": 7,               // Y position (negative values - bind to bottom side of screen)
    "w": 200,             // Width
    "h": 100,             // Height
e: I should probably mention that this is under /res_mods/0.8.3/gui/flash/XVM.xvmconf. If you don’t have a config file, grab one from, in the original .zip, xvm-doc/samples/Full config EN

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

King of Scheduling

I've never driven the T-34, so the Type T-34 is coming as quite a surprise. In tier 5 and 6 games it absolutely just machineguns the poo poo out of everything. I've had at least 4 5+ kill games tonight, and probably averaging about 3. The armor's poo poo and the lack of gun depression sucks, but you have a great little gun that shoots every 2 seconds and in general the pubs at those tiers are so bad they'll just sit there and get mauled. I love it.

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

I'm so
mad. im
gonna
have sex
with my
girl friend
so i wont
be so mad


Crunkjuice posted:

Well, 8 hours into my reinstall and i have a 24 hour chat ban for calling some wittmann a nazi apologist. He was artillery so i spent the entire round shooting into the air by him so he would get counterbatteried. Have pubs gotten bitchier?

My only chat ban was from asking why a guy named after Guderian would name themselves after a nazi war criminal. Yeah.

SSGT Anime
Apr 21, 2012


Given the posts earlier about the effectiveness of BiA / Vents, I did a little digging and came across this guide that examines the actual numbers. It seems legit, but I haven't looked too much into it. Do the numbers check out? Is this common sense stuff I should know by now?

The gist of it is:
-Stats displayed on a module are accurate when a crew member is at 100%
-When a crew member is at 100% (ie 91 + 9, or 100 + 0), stats are accurate
-When a crew member is at 110% (100 + 10), they perform ~4% better than the listed stats
-With Vents or BiA, at 116% (100 + 11 + 5), the perform ~7% better
-With both Vents and BiA, at 121% (100 + 11 + 10), they perform ~9% better
-With Vents, BiA and Food, at 132% (100 + 12 + 20), they perform ~14% better.

So it seems that each +5 to your crew's stats provides a ~2.5% actual bonus to all your stats.

Here's the guide in full:
http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index...ency-explained/

SSGT Anime fucked around with this message at Jan 20, 2013 around 09:24

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012



SSGT Anime posted:

Given the posts earlier about the effectiveness of BiA / Vents, I did a little digging and came across this guide that examines the actual numbers. It seems legit, but I haven't looked too much into it. Do the numbers check out? Is this common sense stuff I should know by now?

The numbers are correct and lifted from the wiki.

It’s not common sense, Wargaming never gives the exact numbers, and goons who have many thousands of battles get into arguments about it about it all the time. It’s like the Monty Hall Paradox of WoT. Don’t feel bad for assuming 5% crew skill = 5% stat boost, because that, though wrong, is the common sense interpretation, and Wargaming doesn’t give the actual numbers anywhere. They’ve been reverse engineered.

RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006



I made a quick chart showing the average gross credits per battle, average XP per battle, and maximum XP from a battle.

The data comes from the WoT Performance Analyzer. The average XP and gross credits is probably stable and representative of WoT. The Max XP only represents people who use the WoT Performance Analyzer software.

pre:
Type	Tank		Avg Gross $	Avg XP		Max XP*

01 LT.	Renault NC-31	$04979.94	091.42		0685
02 LT.	Vickers B	$05929.67	111.50		0644
03 LT.	Chi-Ha		$05807.63	155.80		0793
04 LT.	M5A1 Stuart	$06116.26	224.98		0811
05 MT.	Type T-34	$06327.91	257.46		0831
06 LT.	59-16		$03318.84	269.75		0690
06 MT.	Type 58		$05629.26	346.62		0918
06 HT.	IS-2		$05049.14	391.01		1158
07 LT.	WZ-131		$01970.46	391.36		0979
07 MT.	T-34-1		$04888.38	443.80		1020
08 LT.	WZ-132		-01049.66	406.64		0776
08 MT.	T-34-2		$04187.48	430.14		0969
08 HT.	110		$03384.16	450.43		N/A
09 MT.	WZ-120		-03086.96	397.74		0940
09 HT.	WZ-111 model	-01441.52	440.05		0782
10 MT.	121		-10223.42	414.54		N/A
10 HT.	113		-10755.47	406.97		0592

* Maximum XP of commanders who fought at least 20 battles in that tank
Edit: The most profitable tank is the Type T-34 MT. It's closely followed by the M5A1 Stuart, The Vickers B, the Chi-Ha, and the Type 58.

RandomPauI fucked around with this message at Jan 20, 2013 around 10:16

Target Practice
Aug 20, 2004

Shit.

Holy gently caress I have got to stop playing after midnight pacific. Every game is a tier 10 game and I'm at the loving bottom in my tier 8s, my whole team are drooling mouthbreathers and the other team are esport geniuses.

Psykmoe
Oct 28, 2008


AlmightyPants posted:

I've never driven the T-34, so the Type T-34 is coming as quite a surprise. In tier 5 and 6 games it absolutely just machineguns the poo poo out of everything. I've had at least 4 5+ kill games tonight, and probably averaging about 3. The armor's poo poo and the lack of gun depression sucks, but you have a great little gun that shoots every 2 seconds and in general the pubs at those tiers are so bad they'll just sit there and get mauled. I love it.

Now imagine having 3 extra degrees of depression on the Russian one, which I prefer. Although the Chinese one has ever so slightly less aim dispersion when it moves. I still like the gun depression more. 57mm gun is awesome on either tank.

FaintlyQuaint
Aug 19, 2011

The king and his men.

Target Practice posted:

Holy gently caress I have got to stop playing after midnight pacific. Every game is a tier 10 game and I'm at the loving bottom in my tier 8s, my whole team are drooling mouthbreathers and the other team are esport geniuses.
I just lost six game in a row in my brand new FV215b because of this. I platooned with a Havok guy in a JpzE100 and we crushed the entire enemy team on Himmelsdorf the next match.

The 215b is a glorious DPM machine.

SkySteak
Sep 9, 2010


Could anyone recommend any good crosshair that isn't Jimbos. Though it's decent, I'm wondering if there are any other cool looking ones out there.

rossmum
Dec 2, 2008

Cummander ross, reporting for duty!



I just got more XP for a game where I put a single low-roll killing shot into a T-62A in my Type 59 (140 damage, spotted 57) than one where I did 1,440 damage and spotted about 100 against tanks in my own tier.

I think I have gained a new understanding of pubbie behaviour. They want to poach high-tier kills for easy XP rather than actually carry their loving weight.

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Stringbean
Aug 6, 2010


Can someone explain why someone would give me poo poo for camoing my KV-4 that is almost completely stock? He made the argument that I may not like the tank, but even with the last gun from the KV-3, I still completely enjoy the poo poo out of this new tank due to it's absurd armor...

The KV-4 is nothing but fun

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