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This week we are ranking Lightweight. Last time we decided that Michael Bisping was much better than Vitor Belfort. This time how will we do with Showtime and Cowboy? Meanwhile, here are our rankings to date. Heavyweight: quote:20 votes this time, I am guessing it was down because the top 5 was pretty boring, so boring 14 people in a row put Werdum at #4. I was kind of sad there wasn't a consensus. Cain, JDS, Overeem, Werdum, Cormier and Mir were the only people to get votes on the ballot of every voter who submitted a full ballot. Middleweight quote:19 voters this time, here's how things stack up: Welterweight: quote:#1: Georges St. Pierre (257) If you would like to vote, do the following: Reply with a list ranking your top 10 lightweights as of today. You may rank them based on any criteria you like. It would be best if everyone posted their thoughts on their rankings to get discussion going, but you don't have to. You have until Friday at 11:59 PM EST to vote and argue. Fighters get 10 points for first down to 1 point for 10th. To get things started, here are my rankings: 1. Benson Henderson 2. Gray Maynard 3. Gilbert Melendez 4. Jim Miller 5. Anthony Pettis 6. Nate Diaz 7. Donald Cerrone 8. Michael Chandler 9. Eddie Alvarez 10. Joe Lauzon This division feels completely different than it did a year ago. I'm going to keep Frankie out of this because he is now a featherweight. Bendo is a pretty clear #1, but I think Gray is a very close #2. His last win wasn't exactly impressive, but he showed he's the only other lightweight close to Frankie Edgar's level prior to that. Gilbert slides into #3 a bit as a default. I haven't been super impressed with him outside of the Crusher win, and while I think he lost his last fight, everyone on this list except for Chandler has either recently lost or had a close split decision, so whatever. He hasn't actually lost in forever. It feels dumb to rank Miller above Nate, but given their relative positions in the division as a whole, I think Miller as a fighter and his record stack up better than Nate. Pettis holds a win over the champion but also lost via wrestling and then won an extremely close fight after that. Nate Diaz beat two dudes in the top 10, and Gomi. Gomi is cool. He has some gaping weaknesses, but he kept winning. The next four are difficult to rank. Chandler is obviously above Alvarez, but it's impossible to compare him and say Cowboy or even Lauzon. Bellator fighters just haven't faced the same quality of competition. fatherdog posted:I'd like to propose two rules, which people are completely free to ignore but which I think make sense -
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| # ? Jan 20, 2013 07:50 |
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| # ? May 24, 2013 20:25 |
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1. Benson Henderson 2. Gray Maynard 3. Jim Miller 4. Anthony Pettis 5. Gilbert Melendez 6. Nate Diaz 7. Donald Cerrone 8. Michael Chandler 9. Eddie Alvarez 10. Joe Lauzon I came up with all the same guys that you did. Maynard to me is a slightly more distant #2 to Henderson but a clear cut #2 above everyone else. I don't think Miller will be winning the belt as long as Benson is champ but he sure does own a lot. I'm still not entirely convinced on how well Melendez stacks up with the top tier UFC guys, so I put him at #4 for some reason. Nate is definitely in the top 10 but I can't really quite figure out where to place him. I have Cerrone and Pettis more or less equal in my mind, maybe with Cerrone edging Pettis out slightly, and Nate beat Cerrone, so he's #5 I guess...? I don't watch much Bellator but Chandler seems like he's pretty capable of doing work in the UFC if ever given the opportunity. Alvarez comes in right behind him, and Joe Lauzon is the first guy I could think of that cracks the top 10. Lightweight is cool. Excuse the lovely logic edit: I just remembered that Nate beat Miller so now I am even more confused where to put him  edit2: welp, Pettis canoshiz fucked around with this message at Jan 27, 2013 around 01:44 |
| # ? Jan 20, 2013 08:10 |
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1. Benson Henderson 2. Gray Maynard 3. Nate Diaz 4. Anthony Pettis 5. Donald Cerrone 6. Jim Miller 7. Michael Chandler 8. Eddie Alvarez 9. Gilbert Melendez 10. Joe Lauzon A Few Things. Frankie Edgar isn't a lightweight anymore so I'm not ranking him, same goes for Clay Guida. Gray Maynard, while has been out for an extended period of time, has looked the most impressive against the best competition this division has to offer. I'm just going to be put it out there and say that Jim Miller is one of my top three favorite fighters in this entire sport. If you wanted to find a Jim Miller fanboy, well look no further. The unfortunate thing about Jim is that he can't seem to get his leg up over next level competition, but I'll be damned if he doesn't look incredible while doing so. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Bic-kNQe4w Jim Miller rules, and you should think so too. -Atom- fucked around with this message at Jan 27, 2013 around 09:14 |
| # ? Jan 20, 2013 09:21 |
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1. Benson Henderson 2. Gray Maynard 3. Nate Diaz 4. Anthony Pettis 5. Jim Miller 6. Gilbert Melendez 7. Michael Chandler 8. Joe Lauzon 9. Khabib Nurmagomedov 10. Donald Cerrone Gotta be the most talent rich division in the sport, there are tons of other quality fighters not to mention guys like Frankie and Guida who could still be top guys Fentry fucked around with this message at Jan 27, 2013 around 01:52 |
| # ? Jan 24, 2013 21:03 |
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I am more worried about this list compared to all the others, also in a just world Frankie Edgar would be up the top of both this and featherweight in a few weeks time. 1. Benson Henderson 2. Gray Maynard 3. Nate Diaz 4. Jim Miller 5. Anthony Pettis 6. Donald Cerrone 7. Joe Lauzon 8. Michael Chandler 9. TJ Grant 10. Matt Wiman Melendez not included as he lost to Josh Thompson in his last fight (yeah Benson lost to Frankie too, but with the #1 now at FW Benson moves up from #2 by default). Edit: that didn't last long, well you have your midcard fans Wiman Edit 2: actually Khabib isn't tested really so yay for Wiman Lid fucked around with this message at Jan 28, 2013 around 16:49 |
| # ? Jan 25, 2013 06:16 |
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1. Benson Henderson 2. Gilbert Melendez 3. Gray Maynard 4. Nate Diaz 5. Anthony Pettis 6. Donald Cerrone 7. Jim Miller 8. Michael Chandler 9. Eddie Alvarez 10.Joe Lauzon It feels blasphemous putting Melendez at #2, but since he's getting the next shot, why not?
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| # ? Jan 25, 2013 06:30 |
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Forceholy posted:It feels blasphemous putting Melendez at #2, but since he's getting the next shot, why not? In the last four years Melendez has beaten four people, and none of them are on the list?
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| # ? Jan 25, 2013 16:11 |
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Melendez sucks shits 1. Frank Edgar Suck it 2. Gray Maynard Actually beat Frank once and deserved a the draw he got 3. Anthony Pettis Only has one embarrassing loss to a featherweight 4. Benson Henderson Came back from his 2 fight skid to beat Nate Diaz, making him a modern day Joe Daddy 5. Clay Guida He might not stay at FW 6. Nathan Diaz Somehow he managed to beat Jim Miller, and his losses are always to pretty good wrestle men. Also he crushed Gomi, which means something to me dammit 7. Jim Miller In this god forsaken world the international superstar was toppled by NAte fkin Diaz otherwise he'd be ranked where god intended, like 5 or something 8. Donald Cerrone I hate his guts but he actually learned how to wrestle a bit and now doesn't totally suck except for his head movement, which is the worst thing ever 9. Michael Chandler He's only got his feet wet so far but he beat a couple decent dudes like Alvarez and Patricky 10. Give this point to TJ Grant or the guy who just beat Tavares I guess. They really haven't proven themselves to be that much better than the guys with a lot of fights and a few losses but by not having those losses they're better I guess The interesting thing about this division is that even though the overall talent is arguably stronger than it once was, there definitely used to be a clearer hierarchy when Joe Daddy, Kenny, Sherk and BJ were around, plus now we have the issue of guys like Frank and Guida following Kenny's lead and dropping down. Plus guys like Fisher and rapists like Franca declining let other guys pass them up, but in their prime I think they still could've hung around in this division, maybe not at the top like they once were, but there was a time when the guys inn this top ten definitely weren't as good as them. I think the interesting thing now is that there are so many great guys in the division that guys pick up losses naturally in the course of things. So a guy like TJ Grant or the Tavares KO'er are tempting to rank but you know that someone will beat them because the schedule for everyone at LW is so tough
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| # ? Jan 25, 2013 18:08 |
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1. Henderson 2. Maynard 3. Pettis 4. Cerrone 5. Diaz 6. Miller 7. Grant 8. Wiman 9. Nurmagomedov 10. Dos Anjos Honorable Mention: Gleison Tibau Maybe I'm a hypocrite for removing Frankie and Guida from LW but leaving Chael and Vitor at MW. Oh well. Diaz beat Cerrone and should possibly be above him? Diaz' are hard to rank because I think Nate could lose to any wrestler at any time. Nurmagomedov I'm not quite sure about but he's beaten Tibau (barely) and just crushed a solid competitor, so why not. Dos Anjos did lose to Tibau but it was close (I don't remember it really well) and he's looked really solid since. I'd like to see him fight someone good again, maybe Nurmagomedov? Note the lack of Melendez, Chandler, Alvarez, Dakota Cochrane, and whoever else Sherdoggers feel compelled to rank over people with proven records against real opponents. I'm excited to see Melendez and possibly Alvarez in the UFC regardless. EDIT: I forgot Lauzon, but he's Tibau-tier I switched Cerrone/Pettis based on the results of their fight since I guess I thought the wrong guy was going to win. I would like recognition for knowing the ginger beardy Canadian was going to beat Handsome Matt, though. Fat Twitter Man fucked around with this message at Jan 27, 2013 around 16:04 |
| # ? Jan 25, 2013 18:08 |
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1. Frank James Edgar 2. Benson Henderson 3. Bradley Gray Maynard 4. Clayton Charles Guida 5. Nathan Donald Diaz 6. Donald Anthony Cerrone 7. James Andrew Miller 8. Anthony Pettis 9. Joseph E. Lauzon Jr. 10. Michael Chandler Jr. Frankie and Guida haven't fought at 145 yet so I left them there. I wouldn't be surprised if Gray could beat Bendo, so the 2-3 spot would be pretty interchangeable until they actually fight. As for now, Bendo has fought more often and fought better competition (including 2 better Frankies). Don't see much compelling reason to put B-league guys on there other than Chandler. He's only beaten Alvarez and Patricky so far but reminds me of younger Bendo in his ability to improve between fights. Too bad he's in Bellator.
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| # ? Jan 25, 2013 18:57 |
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I have also ranked Frankie since he hasn't fought at 145 yet and was the champ here. 1)Frankie Edgar 2)Benson Henderson 3)Gray Maynard 4)Anthony Pettis 5)Nate Diaz 6)Jim Miller 7)Donald Cerrone 8)Joe Lauzon 9)T.J. Grant 10)Matt Wiman Frankie SHOULD be #1, but I'm not going to overlook Bendo's wins even though I think Frankie was robbed both times. (EDIT: Actually, gently caress it. Frankie #1) Maynard following Bendo and the champ is fairly straightforward here, Pettis I have a bit lower because of his loss to Guida (while competitive, he looked a step behind Guida the entire fight). Diaz, Miller, and Cerrone also slot in nicely behind Pettis - Diaz has lost to everybody at the top of the division that he's fought. Miller is down at #7 because the Diaz loss was pretty brutal and he too hasn't been able to scratch the top of the division, same with Cerrone (you could argue that his performance in the first Bendo fight should put him higher up than Miller, but ehhh). Wiman is up there mostly on the strength of a pretty good campaign - over the past 2 years he's only taken one loss against Siver in a fight that he really should have won, otherwise he'd be riding a 6 fight win streak. Lauzon is there to round it out because he has some fantastic wins, despite some really disappointing losses. EDIT: TJ Grant just beat his rear end, gently caress! Removed Guida due to his 145 fight, added TJ. I'm not gonna rank guys like Melendez, Alvarez, Chandler, etc. Zuffa Zombie 4 LYFE 1st AD fucked around with this message at Jan 27, 2013 around 00:49 |
| # ? Jan 25, 2013 19:29 |
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Forceholy posted:It feels blasphemous putting Melendez at #2, but since he's getting the next shot, why not? Ah the sherdog justification for how whenever Fedor had a fight coming up mysteriously the opponent would appear in the top ten irrelevant of factors like "winning".
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| # ? Jan 25, 2013 19:54 |
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Even I, admirer of Bendo's tremendous Christian thighs, have to admit that he's 0-1-1 at best against the top LW on earth.
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| # ? Jan 25, 2013 20:48 |
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bendo belongs at the top (counting frankie eddie at featherweight) but aside from that the entire top ten is interchangeable imo. we saw lauzon (popular rank 9/10) fight miller (5 avg) and very, very nearly win. i seriously can't rank them.
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| # ? Jan 25, 2013 23:12 |
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I will leave this open until the Fox show starts in case anyone else wants to vote.
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| # ? Jan 26, 2013 06:38 |
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1- Bendo 2- Edgar (I'm not comfortable not putting him here) 3- Maynard 4- Diaz (he still beats just about everyone else through 209 powers) 5- Miller 6- Cerrone (6 and 7 are interchangeabe until after tomorrow) 7- Pettis 8- Jill Bear 9- Chandler 10- Lauzon this is difficult maffew buildings fucked around with this message at Jan 26, 2013 around 11:17 |
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1. gomi 2. gilbert melendez 3. gray maynard 4. nate diaz 5. anthony pettis 6. khabib nurmahegodvov 7. josh thomson 8. rustan khabilov 9. melvin guillard 10. tj grant david carmichael fucked around with this message at Jan 27, 2013 around 18:30 |
| # ? Jan 26, 2013 18:33 |
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1) Frankie Edgar (got robbed) 2) Ben Henderson 3) Gray Maynard (2 and 3 are interchangeable, both guys only lost to Frankie) 4) Jim Miller 5) Nate Diaz (Diaz beat Miller, but hasn't consistently faced top competititon, Jim has been top 5 for years) 6) Pettis 7) Clay Guida 8) Cerrone 9) TJ Grant 10) Michael Chandler edited after UFC on Fox 6 MacDeuce fucked around with this message at Jan 28, 2013 around 14:27 |
| # ? Jan 26, 2013 18:58 |
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rustan khabilov went to the morgellons institute of automobile and road, and he will fight his way into our hearts real soon
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| # ? Jan 26, 2013 19:08 |
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1.) Franklin "Smoother" Edgar 2.) Benson Henderson 3.) Gray Maynard 4.) Anthony Pettis 5.) Michael Chandler 6.) Nate Diaz 7.) Jim Miller 8.) Gilbert Melendez 9.) Donald Cerrone 10.) TJ Grant jeffersonlives fucked around with this message at Jan 27, 2013 around 04:27 |
| # ? Jan 26, 2013 20:31 |
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MacDeuce posted:2) Ben Henderson 
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| # ? Jan 26, 2013 22:54 |
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Can I remove Wiman from my rankings and replace him with TJ Grant thanks
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| # ? Jan 27, 2013 00:44 |
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1st AD posted:Can I remove Wiman from my rankings and replace him with TJ Grant thanks I won't tabulate the votes until after tonight so you can go in and edit your posts and I will be none the wiser.
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| # ? Jan 27, 2013 00:46 |
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I hope you don't do 145lbs rankings next week, since I'd like Aldo/Frankie to play out before doing those rankings.
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| # ? Jan 27, 2013 00:49 |
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1st AD posted:Can I remove Wiman from my rankings and replace him with TJ Grant thanks sup retcon buddy
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| # ? Jan 28, 2013 16:48 |
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Here are the rankings, I will post the FW thread after "The Big Game" (and hopefully when I have a chance to watch Edgar/Aldo.) 1. Benson Henderson (123) 2. Gray Maynard (119) 3. Nate Diaz (89) 4. Anthony Pettis (87) 5. Jim Miller (72) 6. Frank Edgar (59) 7. Donald Cerrone (54) 8. Gilbert Melendez (45) 9. Michael Chandler (32) 10. Joe Lauzon (17) 10. Clay Guida (17) 12. TJ Grant (13) 13. Takanori Gomi (10) 14. Eddie Alvarez (9) 14. Khabib Nurmagomedov (9) 16. Matt Wiman (5) 17. Josh Thomson (4) 18. Rustan Khabilov (3) 19. Melvin Guillard (2) 20. Rafael dos Anjos (1) 14 votes total.
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| # ? May 24, 2013 20:25 |
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I'm a little late. Only gonna do UFC fighters because I'm getting old and haven't watched B-Leagues in ages. 1. Ben Henderson 2. Frankie Edgar 3. Anthony Pettis 4. Gray Maynard 5. Nate Diaz 6. Jim Miller 7. Gilbert Melendez 8. Donald Cerrone 9. TJ Grant 10. Joe Lauzon Feels weird having Maynard beneath Pettis but I'm giving it to Pettis for fighting recently. Clay Guida is not on my list because Clay Guida can get hosed. attackmole fucked around with this message at Feb 4, 2013 around 00:35 |
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