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![]() Welcome to the 5th DOTA2 Thread! We have a long OP, but you should read it! Zeus help you if you post before reading the third post of this op! Dont Beg for Keys go HERE![]() http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dotagoons is the steam group #DOTA @ Synirc.net - READ THE RULES IN POST 3 1st Thread (Archives) 2nd Thread (Archives) 3rd Thread* (Archives) Probation Earned: 1 year 1 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours Number of Bans: 8 4th Thread* Probation Earned: 5 Months 2 weeks 3 days 6 Hours Number of Bans: 2 What is DotA/2? DOTA2, simply, is the new engine sequel/remake to/of DotA. It makes sense to start with that then: DotA, or Defense of the Ancients, is a Warcraft III mod that involves two teams of five players competing against each other to take down their opponents' bases. While the base engine of DotA may have been an RTS, the game plays more like a hourlong RPG; each team's army units (known as "creeps") simply attack move to the enemy base in three lanes (bottom, middle, and top) and each player in DotA controls one of 100+ heroes, and gains gold and experience to buy items that can drastically boost their powers. As a single game takes around 40-60 minutes and every individual member is integral in the team's success, the game is highly competitive! DOTA2 has a full team at Valve working on it. Most importantly, Icefrog, the current developer of WC3-DotA is working on DOTA2. There are a few goons on the valve team floating around the thread as well! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akUNmFAzS98 Pyrion Flax posted:I made a dumb video about my experiences with Dota2 to date. Who plays DotA? Today, almost a decade after its inception, DotA has an estimated 10 million players on battle.net, Garena, and other international servers. A patch can get up to six million downloads in a day. The competitive scene is ridiculously large and alive as well; from the Chinese dynasties CCM and LGD frought with succession drama to the old-school European dominators like MYM, OK, and Na'Vi, competitors are drawn from all over the world. This large playerbase contributes to a diversity of playstyles and strategies, and the large hero pool and monthly patches ensure that the game never gets stale. Recently as well, Starcraft I/II heavy hitters TeamLiquid have officially began supporting DOTA2 as one of their games. You can now find competitive info and a TL team, just check their site! Gosugamers, JoinDotA, and now TeamLiquid have all the competitive news and streams you could want. Lots of keys seem to be floating around now for DotA2, so I figured I'd add a section here since most of you
Some people find that bot games are less anxiety producing than jumping straight into a normal match. This may be true, but you'll see from even a bot game that there are plenty of people just as bad as you are. Still, I think I'd recommend your first game be a bot game just so you can get a feel of how the game controls, and how you buy things from the shop. What hero should I play? General recommendations for new players include AGI: Viper (Carry, Ranged) or Ursa (Carry/Ganker, Melee) STR: Sven (Carry/Ganker, Melee) or Tidehunter (Support, Melee) INT: Lich (Support, Ranged) or Shadow Shaman (Ganker/Support, Ranged) AVOID: Chen, Enchantress, Meepo, Visage, Invoker All this being said, if you've done at least one of the above bullet points, and played a single game, feel free to ask any questions you have in the thread. It's just that 'I'm am entirely new and don't know what I don't know' isnt a very helpful point of reference for us! IF YOU'RE COMING FROM LEAGUE OR HON: Welcome! Read the Transitioning to DOTA guide in the second post! The International Every year, Valve sponsors a one million dollar tournament, with free broadcasts in multiple languages. Yes, you read that correctly. $1,000,000. All of the VODs for the tournament this year and last are available here. TI2012 is a pretty solid representation of modern dota, although the meta has shifted drastically away from morphling. Be aware that TI2011 is a lot of farming however. Here's some quick info on what's what from each year, be aware that if you want to watch them all there may be spoilers if you click on the matches listed. TI2011: Champions:Na'Vi (Ukraine) Set to Watch: The Semifinals and Finals TI2012: Champions: iG (China) Set to Watch: LGD vs Navi TI2013 should take place around August/September 2013, but not much info has been released yet about it. This sounds awfully similar to... Yes, all those games that seem familiar (LoL, HoN, Demigod, Bloodline Champions, Realm of the Titans) are all DotA-likes (or Multiplayer Online Battle Arenas aka MOBA or Action Real-Time Strategy aka ARTS). Make no mistake though, DotA2 may be prettier and have some new tricks, but in terms of mechanics and gameplay, it is the direct reincarnation of DotA. Direct. As in dont complain about last hitting in this thread, of course it's in. Discussions about mechanics are welcome, just consider that almost every mechanic in dota2 is a direct design decision, and isn't just a legacy feature. Sounds good, how do I play? Keys are EXTREMELY EASY to get now! Ask in the keys thread and you'll get one very easily. There's also a few other ways to try: Add this bot to your friends. Read the instructions on the page, but it's free invites! If you're desperate/rich, you can buy an invite from the new dota2 cosmetic store. YOU CAN ALSO BUY THEM ON THE STEAM MARKETPLACE FOR 2 CENTS![]() Other Info
You can watch some streams! See the next post for some recommendations. There are also some pictures/fanart at the end of the post. Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cSFPIwMEq4 What's the deal with the store? This poo poo is expensive? What is a chest? I still can't read the op so this section also has TRADING INFO in it?The store in DOTA2 works very similarly to TF2's store. You can buy individual items for prices varying from about 50 cents to 7+ dollars, or bundles of items for a group priced discount. Anything (not bundles) in the store can also drop in game, with the notable exception of Unusual Couriers, which only drop from chests. Chests are the other random things you'll see dropping at the end of games. They don't do gently caress all, but you can buy a key for 2.50$ from the store to open it. Opening a chest will yield one random item from the list of items in the chest description, but like all good gambles also has a small (1%) chance of containing something super cool! These super cool things are unusual couriers, which is a courier with a coolio superneat effect attached to it. They can look something like this. Generally the advice is 'dont open chests', since unusuals aside anything you want from them is probably worth less than that key, and you can just trade for it. Don't post trades in this thread, we have a thread for that HEREAlso for trading, the Steam Marketplace which was recently added currently supports the selling of Chests, Keys, and Vintage (Green Quality) Items. What's this about a Test Beta Client? Test patches come out Wednesday, if no big bugs are left, they push it to live on Thursday. When you get in the beta you'll notice a second client: Dota 2 Test. It's purpose is supposedly to find major bugs before they go on to live beta client, in actuality it's a bunch of people sitting in bot games playing the new hero. There's only 2000 slots available on the test servers, so nobody really uses it. You don't need to bother installing it. Links
Current Events Check out our PRO DOTA2 THREAD: http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...hreadid=3500919 If you want to find the VOD for a match, check out DonaCinema's VOD site, it's real good! This Week's Patch - April 24th (Test patch for 4/25) Full notes here. Highlights posted:- Enabled Drow and Tusk in Captain's Mode (Tournament Version). In-Game Stuff To join an inhouse:
To input any of these commands, add "-console" to the launch options for DotA2 on steam. You can also make a file called autoexec.cfg in X:\Program Files\Steam\steamapps\common\dota 2 beta\dota\cfg, and put in commands that you would put in console to have the automatically executed when the game starts. There is also an amazing generator for this here.
Stuff to Change in Options:
Changing recommended items:
Ancient words of wisdom... In the DOTA justice system, especially terrible people are reported to steam admins. In matchmaking, the worst offenders are relegated to the Low Priority Queue. These are their stories. ![]() Don't play with tcjimbo. Skyl3lazer fucked around with this message at Apr 24, 2013 around 21:06 |
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Goon Streams (if anyone else has a stream let me know via pm or on irc, as Skyl3lazer) Other Streams http://streamdota2.com/ tends to have every stream on it Luminous, another caster Training Materials
Transitioning to DotA League of Legends
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Fanart! ![]() http://i.imgur.com/v8lgd.jpg(Slightly NWS)![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Lots more, some NWS Promos (Big versions of these available on the DotA2 Blog site): ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() also some Here Skyl3lazer fucked around with this message at Apr 24, 2013 around 16:23 |
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Posting Guidelines The DotA threads have historically been areas of incredibly low effort/low content/generally lovely posts. We are breaking this tradition. Keep your posts in this thread congenial and useful. The mods watch this thread very closely so don't think you'll be an exception with your smugpost. Here are some rules to help you avoid getting yourself probated and banned.
If you think someone is breaking the forum rules, report them and let the mods deal with it. The above list is not comprehensive, it's just based on what people have been probated for in the past. Be nice, and have fun discussing DOTA 2! ![]() Kewpuh posted:Sup dudes. I just dished out a few month long probations. Stick around to see if you won the shitposting lottery. You other guys still have time to enter into the drawing also, so don't fret! Really, what I'm saying is that I'm sick of how awful this thread is and pretty much any crap post from this point is probably going to be rewarded with a really loving long probation and if I'm feeling particularly irritated I'll probably throw a ban on top of it. ![]() Thread 4 went well! We had less than half of the probation time of #3 with over double the post count, and only 1/4th of the bans! Keep it up! Length of Probation earned in DotA2 Thread #5: 4 Months 1 weeks 1 days 12 Hours Number of Bans: 4 Skyl3lazer fucked around with this message at May 2, 2013 around 15:15 |
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I really should play more Dota once I get my connection fixed. It was great for a while but I don't want to drop and leave my team in a 5v4 constantly.
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Dota 2 - All fun and games, no bullshit. Also Troll Warlord posted:Here's axe in your eye. Thanks for delivering, Valve.
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Dota 2 is built to be a casual game thanks to valve, while HoN, LoL, and dota 1 are competitive by nature. Otherwise I would have already gone pro.
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If you do All Random, does everyone get bonus gold?
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Last thread's top10:
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Silentman0 posted:If you do All Random, does everyone get bonus gold? Yes, at least if it stays faithful to how it worked in all-stars.
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We've got high hopes for the Dota 2 thread this time around, guys. Also, fantastic new OP Skyl3lazer!
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I was wondering why I suddenly couldn't post. Anyway, what I was going to say is that talking as someone who never touched DoTA or any other game of this genre, holy crap that Troll ultimate feels completely bonkers because of the 20s cooldown. Hero's great fun to play though.
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Valve removing public stats will literally destroy DOTA2, it's been a good ride gentlegoons. *This is what people actually believe. Case in point: Some idiot posted:This patch: Henron fucked around with this message at Jan 23, 2013 around 21:48 |
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New Dota thread!? I should probably start playing again, I took a break to play Dark Souls and haven't played in a while. I haven't even seen/used Medusa yet. You know what that means? INSTALOCK TIME
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How on earth was I in the top posters when I haven't played this game for like 5 months. Jesus. On the plus side, the new update means I'll be playing a lot more because this is the character I've been waiting for.
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Kanfy posted:I was wondering why I suddenly couldn't post. The global on high support lineups will be a pretty subtle effect though as supports with attack speed aren't really gonna punch through armor or be able to right click for a long time. It has neat synergy with multi-carry lineups or playing build-a-carry workshop with magnus and troll.
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Finally a thread just for the LPQ masterace. That is what this is right?
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Time to play nothing but All Random.
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I'm pretty sure this game is called Dota 2, not DOTA2.
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Mods please rename thread to Dota2: RIP Dotabuff 2012-2013
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voltron lion force posted:Finally a thread just for the LPQ masterace. That is what this is right? Read the words of wisdom Ahhpple posted:I'm pretty sure this game is called Dota 2, not DOTA2. It's actually DOTA 2, in caps
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Silentman0 posted:If you do All Random, does everyone get bonus gold? It has since it's been available for lobbies, so I would assume it would in Matchmaking as well
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Kinda sad i won't be able to peruse data on dotabuff anymore, but gently caress the dotabuffrating bullshit. The comments on their forums are hilarious now as well.
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No but seriously I kinda want to track what percentile of players I am in. Should just make the rating privately visible, and available to hook into an API so those of us into that kind of thing can set up an out-of-client bullshit pub ladder for funsies.
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MotherFuckingT-REX posted:No but seriously I kinda want to track what percentile of players I am in. Should just make the rating privately visible, and available to hook into an API so those of us into that kind of thing can set up an out-of-client bullshit pub ladder for funsies. Having that data available would force you to poo poo ALL OVER everyone on your team every game. Therefore we can't have any stats whatsoever.
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Hate to say it, but I'm not a fan of Troll Warlord's responses. They're kind of amusing in the 4th wall sort of way, but then you realize this is the same behaviour that gives Dota/MOBAs/ARTS their terrible community reputation. But instead of discouraging it, they build an entire hero around being angry and raging at teammates. I'm probably overreacting but I wish Valve would shift Troll's theme from "being angry at teammates" to "being angry in general". Also some lines are just really unfunny.
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Skyl3lazer posted:Last thread's top10: What do I win? I haven't played Troll since before his remake, what do you do with him and where does he lane? Does he jungle? Fervor seems like it's strong enough to let him disappear and murder his way through neutrals at a quick pace. Battle Trance looks nuts, I want to see a gimmick team of Treant, Lycanthrope and Troll where they throw their globals down whenever anyone's in trouble for instant carry. That lone Crystal Maiden looking like food? Not when she gets 50 damage, 120 attack speed and blocks 7 attacks!
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Shukaro posted:Having that data available would force you to poo poo ALL OVER everyone on your team every game. Therefore we can't have any stats whatsoever. I already poo poo all over everyone, just the other team, and with my sick (s)killz. e: Troll Warlord is a bad hero and I am glad his responses highlight this, by being bad. I hope he looks bad too, then maybe no one will play him, like he deserves.
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Zoness posted:The global on high support lineups will be a pretty subtle effect though as supports with attack speed aren't really gonna punch through armor or be able to right click for a long time. It has neat synergy with multi-carry lineups or playing build-a-carry workshop with magnus and troll. It's also a massive boost to pushing power, farming, Rosh killing, etc. and it's up almost constantly with a fairly low mana cost. I'm not shouting for nerfs or anything mind, was just surprised. While probably not optimal, Rod of Atos seems like an item that would work well on this guy because of its silly 1200 range. I can't imagine there being much one can do to escape the crazy thing chopping you up/using you as target practice when you can barely move and he keeps hitting faster and faster. The mana ought to help keeping the ult up as well.
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IncendiaC posted:Hate to say it, but I'm not a fan of Troll Warlord's responses. They're kind of amusing in the 4th wall sort of way, but then you realize this is the same behaviour that gives Dota/MOBAs/ARTS their terrible community reputation. But instead of discouraging it, they build an entire hero around being angry and raging at teammates. Congrats on not "getting" it.
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I am fascinated by how hyperbolic the stat topic gets. It ranges from "all statistics are meaningless" to "stats are so meaningful everyone will judge others purely based on them" and each of those are used as arguments both for and against collecting stats. Also the amount of things people admit are opinions or personal preference but think there is only one option that should apply to everyone.
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RIP Dotabuff, taken from us before your time ![]() It's probably for the best, now I won't have to see my winrate tank as I queue only for All Random and get stuck with Meepo and Chen every game.
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CampingCarl posted:I am fascinated by how hyperbolic the stat topic gets. It ranges from "all statistics are meaningless" to "stats are so meaningful everyone will judge others purely based on them" and each of those are used as arguments both for and against collecting stats. Also the amount of things people admit are opinions or personal preference but think there is only one option that should apply to everyone. For me it's more that statistics are mostly meaningless, but stupid people don't realize that and act like they're the end all be all.
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gently caress, man. I didn't play this game for a few months and I came back and now every matchmaking game is way over my skill level. My teammates are always mad at me and I feel bad about it because they're completely right. ![]() One day I will be fighting the bads I deserve.
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Kanfy posted:While probably not optimal, Rod of Atos seems like an item that would work well on this guy because of its silly 1200 range. I can't imagine there being much one can do to escape the crazy thing chopping you up/using you as target practice when you can barely move and he keeps hitting faster and faster. The mana ought to help keeping the ult up as well. With his ridiculous attack speed steroid you will be much better served by a SnY than a Rod of Atos (seriously don't get Rod of Atos on carries not even silencer or OD). But really all you need is that ranged slow and an allied disable to catch up to your opponent then you can permabash them in melee form.
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All Random is the best news.
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Can't wait to roll with a 5 randomed int squad.
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Skyl3lazer posted:Last thread's top10: Well, that was unexpected. IncendiaC posted:Hate to say it, but I'm not a fan of Troll Warlord's responses. They're kind of amusing in the 4th wall sort of way, but then you realize this is the same behaviour that gives Dota/MOBAs/ARTS their terrible community reputation. But instead of discouraging it, they build an entire hero around being angry and raging at teammates. I dunno, the fact that he sounds like a Doctor Who villain makes him that much more enjoyable.
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They should give Troll Warlord that english announcer's voice from HoN.
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Relatively new to DotA2 and so far am really enjoying it. So far, I have only been playing in bot games for the reasons stated in the OP and wanting to be sure I know what's going on before starting to play matches against other people. I've gotten to the point where I'll generally be in the top 1-2 on my bot team, which says nothing except that I'm as good as other bad players who play against bots. I was wondering about the sheer number of champs that there are, and how understanding their abilities will affect me once I move into proper games. Is it generally required to have an understanding of how each champ plays in order to be effective (i.e. have played each champ once)? I don't mind not being the best on my team, but I definitely don't want to be a scrub who drags the team down and loses them the game.
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