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Skyl3lazer
Aug 27, 2007

Lwaxana Troi makes an unscheduled visit to the ship, demands to marry THE WARP CORE.




Welcome to the 5th DOTA2 Thread! We have a long OP, but you should read it! Zeus help you if you post before reading the third post of this op!
For totally new players check out the frog sirened NEW PLAYERS section before posting! Remember: One Game and One Training Bullet Point before posting!

Dont Beg for Keys go HERE

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dotagoons is the steam group
#DOTA @ Synirc.net - READ THE RULES IN POST 3

1st Thread (Archives)
2nd Thread (Archives)
3rd Thread* (Archives)
Probation Earned: 1 year 1 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours
Number of Bans: 8
4th Thread*
Probation Earned: 5 Months 2 weeks 3 days 6 Hours
Number of Bans: 2


What is DotA/2?

DOTA2, simply, is the new engine sequel/remake to/of DotA. It makes sense to start with that then:

DotA, or Defense of the Ancients, is a Warcraft III mod that involves two teams of five players competing against each other to take down their opponents' bases. While the base engine of DotA may have been an RTS, the game plays more like a hourlong RPG; each team's army units (known as "creeps") simply attack move to the enemy base in three lanes (bottom, middle, and top) and each player in DotA controls one of 100+ heroes, and gains gold and experience to buy items that can drastically boost their powers. As a single game takes around 40-60 minutes and every individual member is integral in the team's success, the game is highly competitive!

DOTA2 has a full team at Valve working on it. Most importantly, Icefrog, the current developer of WC3-DotA is working on DOTA2. There are a few goons on the valve team floating around the thread as well!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akUNmFAzS98

Pyrion Flax posted:

I made a dumb video about my experiences with Dota2 to date.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f-jR3Vo3Rw

Who plays DotA?

Today, almost a decade after its inception, DotA has an estimated 10 million players on battle.net, Garena, and other international servers. A patch can get up to six million downloads in a day.

The competitive scene is ridiculously large and alive as well; from the Chinese dynasties CCM and LGD frought with succession drama to the old-school European dominators like MYM, OK, and Na'Vi, competitors are drawn from all over the world. This large playerbase contributes to a diversity of playstyles and strategies, and the large hero pool and monthly patches ensure that the game never gets stale. Recently as well, Starcraft I/II heavy hitters TeamLiquid have officially began supporting DOTA2 as one of their games. You can now find competitive info and a TL team, just check their site!

Gosugamers, JoinDotA, and now TeamLiquid have all the competitive news and streams you could want.

NEW PLAYERS

Lots of keys seem to be floating around now for DotA2, so I figured I'd add a section here since most of you fucks wonderful people won't read the whole OP before jumping in, then ask 'hey wat do i do ive never played' in the thread. Here are some things you can do to avoid this unhappy fate
  • Watch the 'How to play Dota2 in 4 minutes' video above
  • Read this
  • Check out the official guide here
  • If you have time, watch this.
Well should I just do bot games until I'm pro?
Some people find that bot games are less anxiety producing than jumping straight into a normal match. This may be true, but you'll see from even a bot game that there are plenty of people just as bad as you are. Still, I think I'd recommend your first game be a bot game just so you can get a feel of how the game controls, and how you buy things from the shop.

What hero should I play?
General recommendations for new players include
AGI: Viper (Carry, Ranged) or Ursa (Carry/Ganker, Melee)
STR: Sven (Carry/Ganker, Melee) or Tidehunter (Support, Melee)
INT: Lich (Support, Ranged) or Shadow Shaman (Ganker/Support, Ranged)

AVOID: Chen, Enchantress, Meepo, Visage, Invoker

All this being said, if you've done at least one of the above bullet points, and played a single game, feel free to ask any questions you have in the thread. It's just that 'I'm am entirely new and don't know what I don't know' isnt a very helpful point of reference for us!

IF YOU'RE COMING FROM LEAGUE OR HON: Welcome! Read the Transitioning to DOTA guide in the second post!

The International

Every year, Valve sponsors a one million dollar tournament, with free broadcasts in multiple languages.
Yes, you read that correctly. $1,000,000.

All of the VODs for the tournament this year and last are available here. TI2012 is a pretty solid representation of modern dota, although the meta has shifted drastically away from morphling. Be aware that TI2011 is a lot of farming however. Here's some quick info on what's what from each year, be aware that if you want to watch them all there may be spoilers if you click on the matches listed.

TI2011:
Champions:Na'Vi (Ukraine)
Set to Watch: The Semifinals and Finals

TI2012:
Champions: iG (China)
Set to Watch: LGD vs Navi

TI2013 should take place around August/September 2013, but not much info has been released yet about it.

This sounds awfully similar to...

Yes, all those games that seem familiar (LoL, HoN, Demigod, Bloodline Champions, Realm of the Titans) are all DotA-likes (or Multiplayer Online Battle Arenas aka MOBA or Action Real-Time Strategy aka ARTS). Make no mistake though, DotA2 may be prettier and have some new tricks, but in terms of mechanics and gameplay, it is the direct reincarnation of DotA. Direct. As in dont complain about last hitting in this thread, of course it's in. Discussions about mechanics are welcome, just consider that almost every mechanic in dota2 is a direct design decision, and isn't just a legacy feature.

Sounds good, how do I play?

Keys are EXTREMELY EASY to get now! Ask in the keys thread and you'll get one very easily. There's also a few other ways to try:

Add this bot to your friends. Read the instructions on the page, but it's free invites!

If you're desperate/rich, you can buy an invite from the new dota2 cosmetic store.

YOU CAN ALSO BUY THEM ON THE STEAM MARKETPLACE FOR 2 CENTS

Other Info
  • DotA2 uses Valve's Source engine: global lighting, cloth simulation, and integrated voice chat are part of the game.
  • AI bots will eventually take over for disconnected players, and are available to play against in unranked training matches as well.
  • Some hero skills work slightly better with the replacement of the Warcraft III engine with the Source engine. Examples include Rubik's Spellsteal.
  • Valve has integrated Steamworks. You can create and submit new items which get voted on and potentially added on a weekly basis.
  • There are several available matchmaking modes, currently including All Pick (Any Hero), Single Draft (Select between 1 of 3 heroes, 1 per attribute), Captain's Mode (Draft of most heroes, captain makes picks), Random Draft (Pool of 20 heroes, players make picks), All Random (Everyone gets a random hero + bonus gold), and Least Played (All Pick, but your top 40 most played heroes are unavailable)
  • A coaching system where veteran players can help out new players. "The coach sees the pupil's screen, and gets private voice and chat channels to communicate with them. The coach probably won't be able to take control of anything directly (once again, the details are currently under discussion)." This system is nearing release
  • The game is F2P with a cosmetic shop. All heroes are unlocked, you buy cosmetic items:

    quote:

    It is important to Dota's competitive design that all players have access to all Heroes and that players can't purchase a competitive advantage. We solve that in a simple way, the game is free, all the Heroes are free, and items are earnable in-game. That means, you'll never have to pay to play and win at Dota.
What does this game even look like?

You can watch some streams! See the next post for some recommendations. There are also some pictures/fanart at the end of the post.

Trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cSFPIwMEq4

What's the deal with the store? This poo poo is expensive? What is a chest? I still can't read the op so this section also has TRADING INFO in it?

The store in DOTA2 works very similarly to TF2's store. You can buy individual items for prices varying from about 50 cents to 7+ dollars, or bundles of items for a group priced discount. Anything (not bundles) in the store can also drop in game, with the notable exception of Unusual Couriers, which only drop from chests.

Chests are the other random things you'll see dropping at the end of games. They don't do gently caress all, but you can buy a key for 2.50$ from the store to open it. Opening a chest will yield one random item from the list of items in the chest description, but like all good gambles also has a small (1%) chance of containing something super cool! These super cool things are unusual couriers, which is a courier with a coolio superneat effect attached to it. They can look something like this.


Generally the advice is 'dont open chests', since unusuals aside anything you want from them is probably worth less than that key, and you can just trade for it.

Don't post trades in this thread, we have a thread for that HERE

Also for trading, the Steam Marketplace which was recently added currently supports the selling of Chests, Keys, and Vintage (Green Quality) Items.

What's this about a Test Beta Client?

Test patches come out Wednesday, if no big bugs are left, they push it to live on Thursday.

When you get in the beta you'll notice a second client: Dota 2 Test. It's purpose is supposedly to find major bugs before they go on to live beta client, in actuality it's a bunch of people sitting in bot games playing the new hero. There's only 2000 slots available on the test servers, so nobody really uses it. You don't need to bother installing it.

Links

Current Events

Check out our PRO DOTA2 THREAD: http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...hreadid=3500919
If you want to find the VOD for a match, check out DonaCinema's VOD site, it's real good!

This Week's Patch - April 24th (Test patch for 4/25) Full notes here.

Highlights posted:

- Enabled Drow and Tusk in Captain's Mode (Tournament Version).
- Enabled Bristleback, Slark and Skywrath Mage in Captain's Mode (Latest Version).

In-Game Stuff

To join an inhouse:
  • Go to the Play tab
  • Find a Lobby
  • Private Games
  • Type in the password given into that box and hit search. The password is usually lljk, or lljk2, etc
Console and Autoexec commands:
To input any of these commands, add "-console" to the launch options for DotA2 on steam. You can also make a file called autoexec.cfg in X:\Program Files\Steam\steamapps\common\dota 2 beta\dota\cfg, and put in commands that you would put in console to have the automatically executed when the game starts.

There is also an amazing generator for this here.
  • chat_join lljk - Automatically joins a chat channel when you start dota, in this case, lljk.
  • con_enable 1 - Adds the console to your game, same as adding -console to the launch options. Press ` in game to toggle console.
  • dota_health_per_vertical_marker 200 - Changes how much health each of those bars is; by default it's 200, you might want to change it to 100 if you play League or want more accurate health bars.
  • dota_minimap_misclick_time 0 - You can up the time on this to set how long your mouse has to be on the minimap to click on it, if you constantly click on the minimap by accident.
  • dota_force_right_click_attack 0 - Right click deny Change the 0 to a 1 to enable it.
  • dota_disable_range_finder 1 - Range indicators If you set this to 0, you'll see a small red/green bar from your character to your mouse pointer that makes spell ranges much more visible than looking at the mouse cursor changing alone.
  • dota_range_display 1200 - Adds a circular range indicator of whatever size, in this case 1200. For a more in depth look at this, check Bhodi's script here
  • dota_sf_old_heropedia "1" Old hero learn tab thing? I dont know why you'd want it but there.
Credit to Minrad

Stuff to Change in Options:
  • To remove camera pan acceleration, put the 'camera acceleration' bar all the way to the right. I'd also put the camera speed bar to the right.
  • Your hotkeys start out silly, move the item hotkeys somewhere off of the numpad (like alt qweasd) and change your level-up skill and stats hotkey to something you can get without moving your hand super far (I use Z and X) Forgot to mention: B for buy! I'd like to set C to center on my hero but it wont let me.
  • Enable double activate item and enable shop hotkeys in Game (if you want, I plan on learning to buy from the shop)
  • Turn the render slider all the way to the right!
Credit to Gokuesque

Changing recommended items:
  • Go to your steam/steamapps/common/dota 2 beta/dota/itembuilds folder.
  • Paste "item" "item_tpscroll" in every hero's core item list.
  • Don't like having Mask of Madness as a core item on Night Stalker? Want an urn instead? Change that stuff all in the file.
  • There's a goon made reccomended items list here. The itembuilds folder is the one you need. There's also a dota2alttab one here.
  • http://dota2-itemchanger.googlecode...itemchanger.zip - A program made to do the same thing, but easier. Requires .NET
    How to use the program:
    1. Unzip anywhere
    2. Run dota2itemchanger.exe, select a hero, and then drag&drop items from the left to the starting/early/... box in the right (the box appears after you select the item type at the top)
    3. Click save (you will get warnings if you don't add any items for a category)
    4. A new .txt file (for example, default_antimage.txt) will be created in the current directory. You can open it in notepad and check it, maybe make modifications about the item order
    5. Create a backup of the default hero itembuild (for example, c:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\dota 2 beta\dota\itembuilds\default_antimage.txt)
    6. Copy the file from 4. to the location mentioned at 5.
    7. Start the game, create a practice game and check if everything is ok
Other Useful Scripts:
  • http://pastebin.com/FxPCueM8 - Adds aliases to search for hon and dota1 item names. Goes into "...\dota 2 beta\dota\scripts\npc", make sure to make a backup. Credit lprsti99
  • http://pastebin.com/pew7W7A2 - Courier Autofetch script. Goes into autoexec.
  • RIP NBA JAM ANNOUNCER
  • http://www.dota2layout.com/ - An online layout editor so you can make pretty pictures of dicks jizzing out agi carries and share it with the rest of the world more easily.
  • http://pastebin.com/EVQKkxgn - If the dota:// links dont work for you, running this (saved as a .reg) will fix it. Make sure you change the M:/ path to the correct drive/path for your dota2 installation


Ancient words of wisdom...

In the DOTA justice system, especially terrible people are reported to steam admins. In matchmaking, the worst offenders are relegated to the Low Priority Queue. These are their stories.


Don't play with tcjimbo.

Skyl3lazer fucked around with this message at Apr 24, 2013 around 21:06

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Skyl3lazer
Aug 27, 2007

Lwaxana Troi makes an unscheduled visit to the ship, demands to marry THE WARP CORE.



Goon Streams

Abadgoon, a shared stream, ask me via PM or IRC or Thread if you want to join!
Wangsbig
Protokoll
chronofx
Skyl3lazer
Lost-Viking/Hiid
Mezmerize
PyrionFlax
Headliner aka SelfKnockout
swmmrmanshen
dickboss
SuicideTrooper
PyronicEX
Shukaro
JollyPubJerk
Minrad
Ussr
Cyborgmatt (Some DotA2, some datamining)
(if anyone else has a stream let me know via pm or on irc, as Skyl3lazer)

Other Streams

http://streamdota2.com/ tends to have every stream on it
Tobi-Wan, big-name English dota caster
Luminous, another caster

Training Materials

Transitioning to DotA
League of Legends
  • Where did all my mana just go?
    You spent it all on that one ability! Generally mana pools start out much smaller and abilities are much more expensive. Some Heroes can't even cast a spell more than once off a full bar at level 1. Don't expect to be aggressive from level 1 in the same way you can in LoL. You will eat through your mana potions and sit there vulnerable.
  • What are all these stats? How do I build Bloodthirster?
    Itemization in DotA is very different than LoL. All Heroes have three stats, Str, Agi, Int. Str increases health and health regen. Agi increases armor and attack speed. Int increases mana and mana regen. Each hero has one stat as their primary, increasing that stat increases your attack damage. Itemization is pretty confusing but you can still build +damage and +attack speed.
  • That's cool, but where's my AP, how do abilities hit harder?
    As a general rule, ability damage only scales with rank, unless it explicitly scales off something else. Some items and abilities reduce magic resist, which effectively increases damage, but it's impractical to explicitly stack these.
  • Where are the bushes? How did that guy disappear up some stairs?
    Dota has no tall grass, it does have elevation. You can't see up onto higher ground so try to always ward higher ground as it gives more visibility.
  • Hey, where did my gold go!?
    You dropped some of it when you died. You can never lose gold from killing other Heroes. Other gold is "unreliable."
  • What's this courier thing?
    You don't have to go back to the fountain to buy. You can buy from anywhere! However, you can't retrieve the items you bought until you go back to the fountain and pick them up, or have the courier deliver them to you.
  • How do I b?
    You have to buy teleport scrolls. You can teleport with them to any friendly tower or your fountain. It's a quick cast and isn't interrupted by damage so you can use it as an escape against anyone without an interrupt.
  • This store is confusing!
    Yeah, pretty much. In addition to the stat stuff, nearly every higher end item has an on use effect or passive or both. Make sure you read up on items and make sure to use their abilites! Also each side has a "Secret Shop" in the jungle you have to go to for certain items.
  • Some other notes:
    Last hitting during early game is comparatively difficult to LoL since you do a very small amount of damage to creeps.
    Press A then click to last hit your own creeps for denials.
    Top and Bottom are not symmetrical.
    The jungle is huge and confusing as poo poo I'm still working this out also stuff hits hard.
    Alt is ping, Y is a chatwheel.
    There are gems in the river that do things! Just ping them for your team since you don't know what you're doing.
    Places on the map with eyeball graffiti are good places for wards.
    There's like 900x more CC abilities in this than LoL, watch your positioning.
Credit to mango sentinel
Heroes of Newerth
  • If you played HoN during it's beta, it won't be all that different for you. If not, read on!
  • Turn rates are drastically slower in dota than in HoN. This is at the top because the first thing you'll think upon playing your first DotA2 game is 'why is it lagging'. It isn't lag, heroes in this game have slower turn rates, and in some cases slower cast times (think pre buff Jereziah or Torturer)
  • There is a secret shop where HoN has observatories, as well as side shops. Some items are only available at these shops, and cannot be bought in base.
  • Many heroes that HoN has that came from DotA have been reworked in HoN or DotA since they were transferred. Important examples include Rampage/Spiritbreaker, and Keeper/Treant

Smite
  • heh

Fanart!
http://i.imgur.com/v8lgd.jpg(Slightly NWS)



Lots more, some NWS

Promos (Big versions of these available on the DotA2 Blog site):






also some Here

Skyl3lazer fucked around with this message at Apr 24, 2013 around 16:23

Skyl3lazer
Aug 27, 2007

Lwaxana Troi makes an unscheduled visit to the ship, demands to marry THE WARP CORE.



Posting Guidelines

The DotA threads have historically been areas of incredibly low effort/low content/generally lovely posts. We are breaking this tradition. Keep your posts in this thread congenial and useful. The mods watch this thread very closely so don't think you'll be an exception with your smugpost. Here are some rules to help you avoid getting yourself probated and banned.

  • Do NOT import any external drama into this thread. IRC drama especially is generally an instaprobo or ban
  • Nobody cares what you think of another dota-esque game
  • Don't gimmickpost about how good you are or whatever
  • If you disagree with someone, that's fine, but explain why you disagree
  • Try not be be stupidly insulting to your fellow posters
  • No callouts
  • If you post your stats you better loving have some content too
  • No racist/homophobic/whatever posts. There are people from all over the world playing, and we are all just as bad as each other.
  • Don't circlejerk. This isn't a war zone, it's a thread.
  • I guess don't post your stream link a lot

If you think someone is breaking the forum rules, report them and let the mods deal with it. The above list is not comprehensive, it's just based on what people have been probated for in the past. Be nice, and have fun discussing DOTA 2!


Kewpuh posted:

Sup dudes. I just dished out a few month long probations. Stick around to see if you won the shitposting lottery. You other guys still have time to enter into the drawing also, so don't fret! Really, what I'm saying is that I'm sick of how awful this thread is and pretty much any crap post from this point is probably going to be rewarded with a really loving long probation and if I'm feeling particularly irritated I'll probably throw a ban on top of it.


Thread 4 went well! We had less than half of the probation time of #3 with over double the post count, and only 1/4th of the bans! Keep it up!

Length of Probation earned in DotA2 Thread #5: 4 Months 1 weeks 1 days 12 Hours
Number of Bans: 4

Skyl3lazer fucked around with this message at May 2, 2013 around 15:15

I AM THE MOON
Dec 21, 2012


I really should play more Dota once I get my connection fixed. It was great for a while but I don't want to drop and leave my team in a 5v4 constantly.

Megatrauma
Jan 16, 2012


Dota 2 - All fun and games, no bullshit.

Also

Troll Warlord posted:

Here's axe in your eye.

Thanks for delivering, Valve.

Rise
Jan 3, 2013


Dota 2 is built to be a casual game thanks to valve, while HoN, LoL, and dota 1 are competitive by nature. Otherwise I would have already gone pro.

Silentman0
Jul 11, 2005

I may analyze orders, but I may not disobey them.

I am here to befriend you.


If you do All Random, does everyone get bonus gold?

Skyl3lazer
Aug 27, 2007

Lwaxana Troi makes an unscheduled visit to the ship, demands to marry THE WARP CORE.



Last thread's top10:

Skyl3lazer fucked around with this message at Jan 23, 2013 around 22:17

Zoness
Jul 24, 2011

Furthermore

Silentman0 posted:

If you do All Random, does everyone get bonus gold?

Yes, at least if it stays faithful to how it worked in all-stars.

Shukaro
Jun 21, 2011

What do you mean stocks in ancients are down?!

We've got high hopes for the Dota 2 thread this time around, guys.

Also, fantastic new OP Skyl3lazer!

Kanfy
Jan 9, 2012

Just gotta keep walking down that road.


I was wondering why I suddenly couldn't post.

Anyway, what I was going to say is that talking as someone who never touched DoTA or any other game of this genre, holy crap that Troll ultimate feels completely bonkers because of the 20s cooldown.

Hero's great fun to play though.

Pigbuster
Sep 12, 2010

I AM A GOOD ARTIST AND ALL-AROUND COOL GUY. BLUH BLUH BLUH.

Megatrauma posted:

Thanks for delivering, Valve.

http://www.dota2wiki.com/images/8/85/Cm_attack_04.mp3
http://www.dota2wiki.com/images/1/1...ity_nova_04.mp3
http://www.dota2wiki.com/images/d/d..._respawn_11.mp3
http://www.dota2wiki.com/images/a/a2/Ratt_kill_11.mp3
http://www.dota2wiki.com/images/8/80/Vipe_attack_10.mp3
http://www.dota2wiki.com/images/1/12/Keep_rival_10.mp3
http://www.dota2wiki.com/images/4/4...o_attack_14.mp3
http://www.dota2wiki.com/images/9/9...nkenhaze_01.mp3
http://www.dota2wiki.com/images/8/8...kescreen_05.mp3
http://www.dota2wiki.com/images/2/2...l_attack_15.mp3

Henron
Feb 19, 2010

Arms held out
In your Jesus Christ pose


Valve removing public stats will literally destroy DOTA2, it's been a good ride gentlegoons.

*This is what people actually believe.

Case in point:

Some idiot posted:

This patch:

- Game casualized.

- DotaBuff 100% poo poo on and rendered gone (not only DBR, but also dotabuff).

- Any sort of stat finding poo poo on.

- Valve showing MMR visibility as a whole as something that will never happen. (bye bye to ever hoping you can accurately get a good depiction of your skill level and progress/improvement in relation to other people).

Next patch:

- Denying removed

- Losing gold upon death removed

- EM mode implemented

- On-use items removed (such as sheep stick).

- Mana cost of all spells reduced to 25 mana so they are more spammable and forgiving if you miss.

- All starting item build recommendations defaulted to being "Boots + Tango set". Branches removed, other stat items removed.

- Game renamed to "DotA Legends".

Henron fucked around with this message at Jan 23, 2013 around 21:48

PonchAxis
Apr 25, 2008

Its time to sax up this club!


New Dota thread!? I should probably start playing again, I took a break to play Dark Souls and haven't played in a while. I haven't even seen/used Medusa yet.


You know what that means? INSTALOCK TIME

sentrygun
Dec 29, 2009

FUCKIN
ASSHOLE


How on earth was I in the top posters when I haven't played this game for like 5 months. Jesus.

On the plus side, the new update means I'll be playing a lot more because this is the character I've been waiting for.

Zoness
Jul 24, 2011

Furthermore

Kanfy posted:

I was wondering why I suddenly couldn't post.

Anyway, what I was going to say is that talking as someone who never touched DoTA or any other game of this genre, holy crap that Troll ultimate feels completely bonkers because of the 20s cooldown.

Hero's great fun to play though.

The global on high support lineups will be a pretty subtle effect though as supports with attack speed aren't really gonna punch through armor or be able to right click for a long time. It has neat synergy with multi-carry lineups or playing build-a-carry workshop with magnus and troll.

voltron lion force
Sep 15, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 3 days!


Finally a thread just for the LPQ masterace. That is what this is right?

Fiction
Apr 28, 2011



Time to play nothing but All Random.

Ahhpple
Dec 18, 2011



I'm pretty sure this game is called Dota 2, not DOTA2.

Requested_Username
Nov 27, 2007

Fuck you, got Midas

Mods please rename thread to Dota2: RIP Dotabuff 2012-2013

Skyl3lazer
Aug 27, 2007

Lwaxana Troi makes an unscheduled visit to the ship, demands to marry THE WARP CORE.



voltron lion force posted:

Finally a thread just for the LPQ masterace. That is what this is right?

Read the words of wisdom

Ahhpple posted:

I'm pretty sure this game is called Dota 2, not DOTA2.

It's actually DOTA 2, in caps

No Safe Word
Feb 26, 2005

I sure do love holding onto the rock!

Silentman0 posted:

If you do All Random, does everyone get bonus gold?

It has since it's been available for lobbies, so I would assume it would in Matchmaking as well

canada jezus
Jul 18, 2011



Kinda sad i won't be able to peruse data on dotabuff anymore, but gently caress the dotabuffrating bullshit. The comments on their forums are hilarious now as well.

MotherFuckingT-REX
Feb 8, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 37 hours!


No but seriously I kinda want to track what percentile of players I am in. Should just make the rating privately visible, and available to hook into an API so those of us into that kind of thing can set up an out-of-client bullshit pub ladder for funsies.

Shukaro
Jun 21, 2011

What do you mean stocks in ancients are down?!

MotherFuckingT-REX posted:

No but seriously I kinda want to track what percentile of players I am in. Should just make the rating privately visible, and available to hook into an API so those of us into that kind of thing can set up an out-of-client bullshit pub ladder for funsies.

Having that data available would force you to poo poo ALL OVER everyone on your team every game. Therefore we can't have any stats whatsoever.

IncendiaC
Sep 25, 2011


Hate to say it, but I'm not a fan of Troll Warlord's responses. They're kind of amusing in the 4th wall sort of way, but then you realize this is the same behaviour that gives Dota/MOBAs/ARTS their terrible community reputation. But instead of discouraging it, they build an entire hero around being angry and raging at teammates.

I'm probably overreacting but I wish Valve would shift Troll's theme from "being angry at teammates" to "being angry in general". Also some lines are just really unfunny.

BigLeafyTree
Oct 21, 2010


Skyl3lazer posted:

Last thread's top10:



What do I win?

I haven't played Troll since before his remake, what do you do with him and where does he lane? Does he jungle? Fervor seems like it's strong enough to let him disappear and murder his way through neutrals at a quick pace. Battle Trance looks nuts, I want to see a gimmick team of Treant, Lycanthrope and Troll where they throw their globals down whenever anyone's in trouble for instant carry. That lone Crystal Maiden looking like food? Not when she gets 50 damage, 120 attack speed and blocks 7 attacks!

MotherFuckingT-REX
Feb 8, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 37 hours!


Shukaro posted:

Having that data available would force you to poo poo ALL OVER everyone on your team every game. Therefore we can't have any stats whatsoever.

I already poo poo all over everyone, just the other team, and with my sick (s)killz.

e: Troll Warlord is a bad hero and I am glad his responses highlight this, by being bad. I hope he looks bad too, then maybe no one will play him, like he deserves.

Kanfy
Jan 9, 2012

Just gotta keep walking down that road.


Zoness posted:

The global on high support lineups will be a pretty subtle effect though as supports with attack speed aren't really gonna punch through armor or be able to right click for a long time. It has neat synergy with multi-carry lineups or playing build-a-carry workshop with magnus and troll.

It's also a massive boost to pushing power, farming, Rosh killing, etc. and it's up almost constantly with a fairly low mana cost. I'm not shouting for nerfs or anything mind, was just surprised.

While probably not optimal, Rod of Atos seems like an item that would work well on this guy because of its silly 1200 range. I can't imagine there being much one can do to escape the crazy thing chopping you up/using you as target practice when you can barely move and he keeps hitting faster and faster. The mana ought to help keeping the ult up as well.

Lets! Get! Weird!
Aug 18, 2012

Bazinga!


IncendiaC posted:

Hate to say it, but I'm not a fan of Troll Warlord's responses. They're kind of amusing in the 4th wall sort of way, but then you realize this is the same behaviour that gives Dota/MOBAs/ARTS their terrible community reputation. But instead of discouraging it, they build an entire hero around being angry and raging at teammates.

I'm probably overreacting but I wish Valve would shift Troll's theme from "being angry at teammates" to "being angry in general". Also some lines are just really unfunny.

Congrats on not "getting" it.

CampingCarl
Apr 28, 2008



I am fascinated by how hyperbolic the stat topic gets. It ranges from "all statistics are meaningless" to "stats are so meaningful everyone will judge others purely based on them" and each of those are used as arguments both for and against collecting stats. Also the amount of things people admit are opinions or personal preference but think there is only one option that should apply to everyone.

Ezzer
Aug 5, 2011



RIP Dotabuff, taken from us before your time

It's probably for the best, now I won't have to see my winrate tank as I queue only for All Random and get stuck with Meepo and Chen every game.

Yip Yips
Sep 25, 2007
yip-yip-yip-yip-yip

CampingCarl posted:

I am fascinated by how hyperbolic the stat topic gets. It ranges from "all statistics are meaningless" to "stats are so meaningful everyone will judge others purely based on them" and each of those are used as arguments both for and against collecting stats. Also the amount of things people admit are opinions or personal preference but think there is only one option that should apply to everyone.

For me it's more that statistics are mostly meaningless, but stupid people don't realize that and act like they're the end all be all.

Fergus Mac Roich
Nov 5, 2008



gently caress, man. I didn't play this game for a few months and I came back and now every matchmaking game is way over my skill level. My teammates are always mad at me and I feel bad about it because they're completely right.

One day I will be fighting the bads I deserve.

Zoness
Jul 24, 2011

Furthermore

Kanfy posted:

While probably not optimal, Rod of Atos seems like an item that would work well on this guy because of its silly 1200 range. I can't imagine there being much one can do to escape the crazy thing chopping you up/using you as target practice when you can barely move and he keeps hitting faster and faster. The mana ought to help keeping the ult up as well.

With his ridiculous attack speed steroid you will be much better served by a SnY than a Rod of Atos (seriously don't get Rod of Atos on carries not even silencer or OD).

But really all you need is that ranged slow and an allied disable to catch up to your opponent then you can permabash them in melee form.

Graviija
Apr 26, 2008

Implied, Lisa...or implode?


All Random is the best news.

Dollas
Sep 16, 2007

$$$$$$$$$


Can't wait to roll with a 5 randomed int squad.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

Pam you better not be making pornos!


Skyl3lazer posted:

Last thread's top10:



Well, that was unexpected.

IncendiaC posted:

Hate to say it, but I'm not a fan of Troll Warlord's responses. They're kind of amusing in the 4th wall sort of way, but then you realize this is the same behaviour that gives Dota/MOBAs/ARTS their terrible community reputation. But instead of discouraging it, they build an entire hero around being angry and raging at teammates.

I'm probably overreacting but I wish Valve would shift Troll's theme from "being angry at teammates" to "being angry in general". Also some lines are just really unfunny.

I dunno, the fact that he sounds like a Doctor Who villain makes him that much more enjoyable.

Dollas
Sep 16, 2007

$$$$$$$$$


They should give Troll Warlord that english announcer's voice from HoN.

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PotatoManJack
Nov 9, 2009


Relatively new to DotA2 and so far am really enjoying it. So far, I have only been playing in bot games for the reasons stated in the OP and wanting to be sure I know what's going on before starting to play matches against other people. I've gotten to the point where I'll generally be in the top 1-2 on my bot team, which says nothing except that I'm as good as other bad players who play against bots.

I was wondering about the sheer number of champs that there are, and how understanding their abilities will affect me once I move into proper games. Is it generally required to have an understanding of how each champ plays in order to be effective (i.e. have played each champ once)?

I don't mind not being the best on my team, but I definitely don't want to be a scrub who drags the team down and loses them the game.

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