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Dollas posted:Can't wait to roll with a 5 randomed int squad. That seems a lot better than ending up with 5 hard carries and nobody to buy wards which raises the question why people would voluntarily subject themselves to that possibility. My worst dota experiences in the all-stars days have invariably been tied to All Random. The only good all random is Deathmatch Allrandom because if you get some bad heroes you're not stuck with them all game.
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I'm pretty sure Troll Warlord's theme is already "always mad at everything." I mean, he even has lines where he threatens the shopkeeper. So, how exactly do you build Warlord? I'd imagine you wouldn't really need any attack speed from items and could focus on straight damage. So maybe phase->drums->bkb->crit?
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| # ? Jan 23, 2013 22:14 |
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I do love how Troll Warlord gives an angry "Mask of Madness, seriously?" line for buying mask of madness. It is still hilarious to pop that and ult and be pretty drat close to max attack speed even without any fervor stacks. I am wondering if this is one of the few heroes that sange and yasha is a legit pickup, since his high attack and move speed would probably make it easier to proc on someone, and skadi felt a bit lackluster. Orb of Venom is super boss on this gently caress in lane though.
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| # ? Jan 23, 2013 22:15 |
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Playing a few games of troll vs INSANE bots http://www.twitch.tv/fritosesh
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PotatoManJack posted:Relatively new to DotA2 and so far am really enjoying it. So far, I have only been playing in bot games for the reasons stated in the OP and wanting to be sure I know what's going on before starting to play matches against other people. I've gotten to the point where I'll generally be in the top 1-2 on my bot team, which says nothing except that I'm as good as other bad players who play against bots. Having an understanding of how each hero works really helps, especially early on when other people you play against don't quite know how they work. One thing that takes a while but works well is to play a bot game with each hero (in order or not) so you understand how each of their skills work and what their strengths and weaknesses are. Even if you don't do well with them, at the very least you won't have that horrible feeling of 'Oh my god he just used a skill on me what is he doing to me'. Better yet, just watch the Dotacinema hero summaries, they're pretty concise and cover the main points of each hero well.
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| # ? Jan 23, 2013 22:17 |
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PotatoManJack posted:Relatively new to DotA2 and so far am really enjoying it. So far, I have only been playing in bot games for the reasons stated in the OP and wanting to be sure I know what's going on before starting to play matches against other people. I've gotten to the point where I'll generally be in the top 1-2 on my bot team, which says nothing except that I'm as good as other bad players who play against bots. Obviously knowing what every hero does is essential but if you play bot games until you're familiar with everything it's going to get boring quick, I'd say that in the lowers queues no one is going to be very familiar with 100% of the heroes, so there's no shame in jumping right in and start playing against actual people. If anything when you get killed by a hero you don't recognize you can take the time to read his skills (and what killed you) once you're waiting to respawn.
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| # ? Jan 23, 2013 22:18 |
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I wonder if Valve would have made that change if Dotabuff hadn't proposed the monetizing thing on DBR? Would they have made it if Dotabuff hadn't proposed DBR at all? It seems like this is one thing Valve would like to keep control of themselves. I can see how you wouldn't want some 3rd Party in charge of a rating that might become the community's standard. Ambivalent fucked around with this message at Jan 23, 2013 around 22:22 |
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I was getting pretty burned out of this game until I discovered Rubick  Most fun hero to play imo
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| # ? Jan 23, 2013 22:19 |
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-nope guess it was fake after all - sorry 
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| # ? Jan 23, 2013 22:20 |
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How do I kill Troll? I'd like to take advantage of people instalocking him. Does he have a counter?
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| # ? Jan 23, 2013 22:21 |
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PotatoManJack posted:Relatively new to DotA2 and so far am really enjoying it. So far, I have only been playing in bot games for the reasons stated in the OP and wanting to be sure I know what's going on before starting to play matches against other people. I've gotten to the point where I'll generally be in the top 1-2 on my bot team, which says nothing except that I'm as good as other bad players who play against bots. Knowledge is power. The better you understand all the heroes the better you can deal with them. On a basic level though it's fine to just understand that Sven is a fighty dude with a stun for example. Don't be super scared of jumping into matchmaking, there are always going to be people at your skill level even if your skill level is 'Mash all the heroes together and see what happens. What did I die to?'.
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| # ? Jan 23, 2013 22:22 |
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Fano posted:Obviously knowing what every hero does is essential but if you play bot games until you're familiar with everything it's going to get boring quick, I'd say that in the lowers queues no one is going to be very familiar with 100% of the heroes, so there's no shame in jumping right in and start playing against actual people. Do these "lower queues" even exist? I've been playing DoTA for a while... I've got some 500 games and about a 50% win rate but I seem to always get queued with morons?
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Zoness posted:(seriously don't get Rod of Atos on carries not even silencer or OD). You may or may not have a point with Troll but you best not otherwise badmouth Atos. 
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Waroduce posted:How do I kill Troll? I'd like to take advantage of people instalocking him. Does he have a counter? He's squishy and easily burstable. Pick nukes and wreck his poo poo.
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| # ? Jan 23, 2013 22:23 |
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All random? Stats default to hidden? The stupid fog pathing crap fixed? Calendar view for Tournaments? YES 
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| # ? Jan 23, 2013 22:25 |
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Waroduce posted:How do I kill Troll? I'd like to take advantage of people instalocking him. Does he have a counter? No, he's actually the best hero in the game and if he is ever picked you can do naught but lay down and take it. He's just an AGI carry with a bash and really good innate attack speed. Find a buddy and hit him with a stick.
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| # ? Jan 23, 2013 22:26 |
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Is there a good guide on picking heroes that compliment each other? I generally know the carry/initiator/jungler/support/disabler/ganker roles but I don't know off-hand what heroes compliment each other. For instance I was yelled at in game for picking Wisp because there were no good heroes to pair with Wisp which made me realize that I had no idea what heroes should be getting shuffled around the map and which shouldn't.
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| # ? Jan 23, 2013 22:27 |
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Sgriosadair posted:Do these "lower queues" even exist? I've been playing DoTA for a while... I've got some 500 games and about a 50% win rate but I seem to always get queued with morons? When I refers to lower queues I mean the matches with brand new players who have very few games played and are new to Dota in general, maybe there's a better word for it.
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Lucinice posted:
Between that and the panda courier that popped up in Cyborgmatt's stream, I guess they gave up on that whole "no pandas! because china" thing.
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| # ? Jan 23, 2013 22:29 |
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Wow I made the wall of shame somehow despite barely posting in the last month or so due to being too busy actually playing the game.  Probably won't make it for this thread but this patch is the greatest. New hero with a funny gimmick, AR in MM, least-played locking out 40 heroes, loving over DBR, and even a nice pathfinding fix that I never expected because I thought that's how WC3 handled it. And of course, bot guy delivers.
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Xenopax posted:Is there a good guide on picking heroes that compliment each other? I generally know the carry/initiator/jungler/support/disabler/ganker roles but I don't know off-hand what heroes compliment each other. For instance I was yelled at in game for picking Wisp because there were no good heroes to pair with Wisp which made me realize that I had no idea what heroes should be getting shuffled around the map and which shouldn't. Your team would have to be an awful team if nobody on that team paired well with wisp.
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| # ? Jan 23, 2013 22:30 |
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Waroduce posted:How do I kill Troll? I'd like to take advantage of people instalocking him. Does he have a counter? Troll doesn't have a 1v1 counter in the same way ursa doesn't - he's best countered by a team with better teamfight, lockdown and a strong pushing strategy. Any decent disablers will run a train on him until he gets bkb, and he doesn't have teamfight synergy unless the enemy team picks around him (unlikely in a pub). I'd pick a push lineup to deny map control and soft counter his weak laning + early game presence. Someone like jakiro/enigma/batrider. TheresNoThyme fucked around with this message at Jan 23, 2013 around 22:33 |
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Fano posted:When I refers to lower queues I mean the matches with brand new players who have very few games played and are new to Dota in general, maybe there's a better word for it. noob queue almost formerly known as DBR Bronze Queue
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| # ? Jan 23, 2013 22:31 |
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Waroduce posted:How do I kill Troll? I'd like to take advantage of people instalocking him. Does he have a counter? Stuns, burst damage, slows and kiting heroes are all pretty good. He pretty much has to rush a bkb unless you have a team with no good cc. Like any carry, he will get super scary if you let him farm, but he has no escape other than manning up and trying to kill you, or walking away fast, so gank the poo poo out of him.
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| # ? Jan 23, 2013 22:31 |
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Waroduce posted:How do I kill Troll? I'd like to take advantage of people instalocking him. Does he have a counter? Nuke him. Gang up on him. Don't try to solo the best autoattack duelist in the game. He doesn't even have any defensive properties if you're not up in his face to take Melee Whirling Axes, just beat him up without letting him get on top of you.
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| # ? Jan 23, 2013 22:31 |
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PotatoManJack posted:I was wondering about the sheer number of champs that there are, and how understanding their abilities will affect me once I move into proper games. Is it generally required to have an understanding of how each champ plays in order to be effective (i.e. have played each champ once)? You don't need to know how every hero plays to start, just what their spells are. That will still make you better than like 98% of players just getting into matchmaking queue. Also, I would advise against referring to the heroes as champions or champs in-game as you will get hell for it. Waroduce posted:How do I kill Troll? I'd like to take advantage of people instalocking him. Does he have a counter? Treat him like a PA that is worse at chasing (no blink, less spammable slow), but has a nuke, basically. Also, instead of getting 2 shot by a crit, you might get bashed a couple times. vvv What this guy said vvv MotherFuckingT-REX fucked around with this message at Jan 23, 2013 around 22:34 |
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Waroduce posted:How do I kill Troll? I'd like to take advantage of people instalocking him. Does he have a counter? BKB piercing disables completely invalidate his only early survival item (BKB) which he needs because otherwise he's pretty easily to kill. He's also really susceptible to kiting as he has to hit someone until he gets a lucky bash or two to really lock them down, so mobile heroes give him trouble too (he gets faster when melee but only +20/30ms, and Phase isn't gonna be off cooldown all the time). His lack of any real escape means nuking gankers will give him an awkward time unless he turns to fight and gets supremely lucky, and his reliance on autoattacks to do any real damage mid to lategame makes disarms really strong if his BKB isn't off cd (at which point you can bait it out and kite). So Beastmaster, Magnus, Treant and Bane come to mind for specific heroes (Bane can reduce his damage too which is really important, as it's what he'll often build), and Halberd/Butterfly are the usual great anti-carry items. Ghost Scepter works for peeling him off you, but be warned of his nuke damage getting amped as if he's close enough he can hit you with the Melee axes anyway.
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| # ? Jan 23, 2013 22:32 |
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I hope Valve doesn't follow S2's example and just add voice filers over all the future characters. Troll Warlord sounds like rear end.
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| # ? Jan 23, 2013 22:37 |
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Azzents posted:I hope Valve doesn't follow S2's example and just add voice filers over all the future characters. Troll Warlord sounds like rear end. Yea his lines don't bother me so much as his lack of personality in his voice - someone needs to listen to dota 1 troll (JAWENGO (???))
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| # ? Jan 23, 2013 22:40 |
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CHEWANAXE WATCHUWANMEKIL WHERTCHUWANMEGO
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MotherFuckingT-REX posted:CHEWANAXE TAZDINGO!! Speaking of which, I miss Enigma's old voice. I always expected him to have a voice filter over it but it was refreshing and fitting that he sounded as if Duke Nukem stopped caring.
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http://imgur.com/a/BhaPr Separate dire/radiant UIs are in the files.
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Azzents posted:TAZDINGO!! It's funny but I think his voice with the filter fits his character much better. His old voice sounded too human.
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Internet Kraken posted:His old voice sounded too human. racist against trolls
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Pigbuster posted:http://imgur.com/a/BhaPr This is cool but that loving rock that blocks the +armor stat still seems to be there for dire.
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| # ? Jan 23, 2013 22:58 |
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How does quelling blade and stout shield etc. work on Troll? Does the bonus just change as he swaps between melee and ranged?
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| # ? Jan 23, 2013 23:01 |
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Gnomocide posted:How does quelling blade work on Troll? Does the bonus just change as he swaps between melee and ranged? Yes, as with Lone Druid (and eventually Soulkeeper/Terrorblade)
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That Ember Spirit portrait is confirmed fake, it's nowhere in the files.Skyl3lazer posted:Last thread's top10: Get on my level bronze-tier posting shitlords. Platinum league only or go home.
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AXE COP posted:That Ember Spirit portrait is confirmed fake, it's nowhere in the files. Show me your PMR first
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MotherFuckingT-REX posted:racist against trolls I was talking about Enigma. I'd think a manifestation of unknowable forces would sound a bit more otherworldly than a monotone Duke Nukem. Silentman0 posted:Between that and the panda courier that popped up in Cyborgmatt's stream, I guess they gave up on that whole "no pandas! because china" thing. What about Brewmaster? 
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