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Bad WolfZxc
Jul 28, 2009


drat this game. Game just starts, player drops. 5 minutes later game is safe to leave, stats not recorded. I NEED MORE WINS drat IT! This seems to happen a lot. It is more fun to watch other people play this game at the moment. I just want to gank as timbersaw drat it. You guys play solo or with "friends?" I need friends I guess. Anyone want to play with a newb?

E: Also god drat tinkers rearm/BoT. Watching this game and this guy is using them perfectly. Are there a lot of combos like this with other heros?

Bad WolfZxc fucked around with this message at Jan 24, 2013 around 00:35

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Requested_Username
Nov 27, 2007

Fuck you, got Midas

ScienceAndMusic posted:

If I abandon in the test client will that abandon follow me to the normal dota client?

Nope, they're separate.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

Pam you better not be making pornos!


Bad WolfZxc posted:


E: Also god drat tinkers rearm/BoT. Watching this game and this guy is using them perfectly. Are there a lot of combos like this with other heros?

Shadow Fiend + Shadow Blade makes casting your ult pretty easy.

Lucinice
Feb 15, 2012

Aw hey that's cute.


Fun fact a valve dev on the dev forums just stated that batrider,dazzle and huskar are also hill trolls while troll warlord is known as a monger troll.

Rise
Jan 3, 2013


Bad WolfZxc posted:

drat this game. Game just starts, player drops. 5 minutes later game is safe to leave, stats not recorded. I NEED MORE WINS drat IT! This seems to happen a lot.

You have to make sure you get a kill before they drop. Go for the quick first blood. I had a leaver and went big on mid died but I got the first blood. After another left we went on to win a very easy 3v5.

Bad WolfZxc
Jul 28, 2009


Rise posted:

You have to make sure you get a kill before they drop. Go for the quick first blood. I had a leaver and went big on mid died but I got the first blood. After another left we went on to win a very easy 3v5.

I did get first blood funny enough, but the idiot dropped almost as soon as the game started. Still 1/3 because my wins aren't getting recorded.

Sandeep
Mar 27, 2002

I should be working on Summoner 3 instead of engaging in political discussions

Bad WolfZxc posted:

I did get first blood funny enough, but the idiot dropped almost as soon as the game started. Still 1/3 because my wins aren't getting recorded.

If he drops at the start of the game, you have 5 minutes to get first blood. If you do, stats are recorded.

Bad WolfZxc
Jul 28, 2009


Sandeep posted:

If he drops at the start of the game, you have 5 minutes to get first blood. If you do, stats are recorded.

Got first blood at 4:20 (not trolling). Guy ran right up to me so I ended him.

Requested_Username
Nov 27, 2007

Fuck you, got Midas

Lucinice posted:

Fun fact a valve dev on the dev forums just stated that batrider,dazzle and huskar are also hill trolls while troll warlord is known as a monger troll.

Link? My relationship chart and matching spreadsheet has been entirely thrown off by this news.

MotherFuckingT-REX
Feb 8, 2011

Clear the way.


Troll Warlord will always be a hill troll in my head-canon

Lucinice
Feb 15, 2012

Aw hey that's cute.


Requested_Username posted:

Link? My relationship chart and matching spreadsheet has been entirely thrown off by this news.

http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=70491&page=2#top

scroll down a little.

Firebatgyro
Dec 3, 2010


Sandeep posted:

If he drops at the start of the game, you have 5 minutes to get first blood. If you do, stats are recorded.

Nope. Stats are only recorded if the drop is after 5 minutes or after First Blood.

Dinky Duck Race
Feb 6, 2011



Why are trolls called trowles in Rhasta's backstory.

Also I guess this guy is turning your favorite (???) Dota comics into sfm videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOVcFbsrGE8

Lucinice
Feb 15, 2012

Aw hey that's cute.


Dinky Duck Race posted:

Why are trolls called trowles in Rhasta's backstory.

Also I guess this guy is turning your favorite (???) Dota comics into sfm videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOVcFbsrGE8

Valve ninja changed the spelling of trowle to just troll.

Azzents
Oct 19, 2010

"Quoting, like smoking, is a dirty habit to which I am devoted."


As always they were probably doing it to not step on any (Blizzard's) toes.

Pomp
Oct 9, 2012

That Crazy Joe is at it again!

Trying to unwind with a bot game, only for three of your bots to feed juggernaut bot 20 kills in 30 minutes is the worst thing.

Sandeep
Mar 27, 2002

I should be working on Summoner 3 instead of engaging in political discussions

Firebatgyro posted:

Nope. Stats are only recorded if the drop is after 5 minutes or after First Blood.

This doesn't jive with my experience or this thread: http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=23692. The abandon doesn't come until 5 minutes after the drop occurs, which is why there's a 5 minute window to get first blood after the drop. I guess if you drop, and then later on the person who dropped his the "Leave Game" button to force the abandon, that would take place immediately. But in general when people have dropped, it usually takes 5 minutes before the abandon occurs.

Double Monocle
Sep 4, 2008

Makes anything fancy


Azzents posted:

As always they were probably doing it to not step on any (Blizzard's) toes.

No way blizzard can own the copyright to a word thats been used since folklore. They might have been avoiding it stop people from drawing comparisons though.

Edit- Come to think of it, thats probably the point you were making.

So whos ready for all random?
Personally I really hope the kind of people who would queue for that gamemode arnt the type of people who typically make this game unbearable, but ive been surprised before.

Double Monocle fucked around with this message at Jan 24, 2013 around 01:24

Asuron
Nov 27, 2012


I'm glad Troll Warlord is out and all, but he's no Tusk .

Also I love that we now have a definite stance from Valve regarding DBR. Those guys at Dotabuff claimed they talked with Valve but either they didn't or they went against Valves wishes

Azzents
Oct 19, 2010

"Quoting, like smoking, is a dirty habit to which I am devoted."


Double Monocle posted:

No way blizzard can own the copyright to a word thats been used since folklore. They might have been avoiding it stop people from drawing comparisons though.

Edit- Come to think of it, thats probably the point you were making.

So whos ready for all random?
Personally I really hope the kind of people who would queue for that gamemode arnt the type of people who typically make this game unbearable, but ive been surprised before.

Yeah. They were trolls in Dota1 and share a resemblance and I could see Blizzard lawyers getting in a tizzy over it.

gowb
Apr 14, 2005

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Slark-kun~

Requested_Username
Nov 27, 2007

Fuck you, got Midas

Azzents posted:

As always they were probably doing it to not step on any (Blizzard's) toes.

They changed it TO troll, which is what he was in dota. I don't think Trowles are in any blizzard game.

Pigbuster
Sep 12, 2010

I AM A GOOD ARTIST AND ALL-AROUND COOL GUY. BLUH BLUH BLUH.

Cyborgmatt's post is up!

big duck equals goose
Nov 7, 2006

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Troll really needs a line when using a mana pot about dewin' it up or killing Ursa and calling him a worthless furry or something.

randomcommoner
Sep 6, 2006
it's a-me

So much money is gonna be made off that panda. Also, the warlock set totally looks like old WoW sets (coincidentally warlock sets)

\/\/\/\/\/yeah, gently caress whoever made that

randomcommoner fucked around with this message at Jan 24, 2013 around 01:41

Kild
Apr 24, 2010


Rise
Jan 3, 2013


Going to stream some dotes in a little bit! http://www.twitch.tv/fritosesh

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when people are summoning you all over the place to "be their friend".



Shagbark looks really cool in the concept art. Also yay, Troll Warlord.

skipThings
May 21, 2007

Tell me more about this
"Wireless fun-adaptor" you were speaking of.

SO, has anyone else problems with receiving their battle points after games? Me and my buddies I played with jsut upright didn't receive the points, after winning an 28 min match

Butt Soup Barnes
Nov 25, 2008


skipThings posted:

SO, has anyone else problems with receiving their battle points after games? Me and my buddies I played with jsut upright didn't receive the points, after winning an 28 min match

Are you in low priority queue?

OhSnapGangsta
Jun 24, 2006

All the arms we need are for hugging


skipThings posted:

SO, has anyone else problems with receiving their battle points after games? Me and my buddies I played with jsut upright didn't receive the points, after winning an 28 min match

The servers might be down for a bit.

quote:

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Game play for most users should not be interrupted, but Steam chat, game lobbies, matchmaking, and community web features will be unavailable. Content downloads may be temporarily interrupted. Certain multiplayer games that aggressively check for an active Steam connection may also be affected.

TOOT BOOT
May 25, 2010

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They listened to feedback on Least Played Mode and disabled your top 40 heroes.

Of course, I might just queue All Random all the time from now on.

skipThings
May 21, 2007

Tell me more about this
"Wireless fun-adaptor" you were speaking of.

I wouldn't think so, we got points just fine the match we played before this one and we surely did not call anyone a dumb whore noob or something, just a very normal game

It happened yesterday too, I don't know what happens

quiggy
Aug 7, 2010

Oof.



If AdmiralBulldog doesn't buy this immediately I'm gonna stop watching nth

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

Pam you better not be making pornos!


Wait, wasn't it Outworld Demolisher?

Liquid Penguins
Feb 18, 2006

a fanfiction involving Brad, Lina, Rylai, and Aiushtha


computer parts posted:

Wait, wasn't it Outworld Demolisher?

It was in the test patch for like a day. It was never demolisher in the live game though.

Pureauthor
Jul 8, 2010

IRONKNUCKLE PERMABANNED! READ HERE

computer parts posted:

Wait, wasn't it Outworld Demolisher?

They changed it to Devourer because everyone agreed that Demolisher is a dumb name.

Also how in the hell did I get the most posts last thread.

my pog boyfriend
Jul 2, 2011

Thankfully there's a GUI interface that isn't shit so we'll use that.


Excited for Troll Warlord but I'm still holding out for Techies.

BigLeafyTree
Oct 21, 2010


ThePineapple posted:

I'm getting pretty frustrated with this game. Coming off of Starcraft, I started playing dota hoping it would be a more relaxing/fun (but still competitive) game, but I'm as frustrated with dota now as I got to be with starcraft.

My winrate is sitting at around 46% after ~150 games played. Logically, I'm the common factor in all of these games, so it's probably something I'm doing wrong. But I'm not sure what! Many times my mistakes seem minimal compared to my teammates'...

At this point I just feel like picking zeus and going mid every game, as I've had very good success with that before.

Now that I've got that off my chest, here are some specific questions so that this post isn't entirely bitching:

- When doing a support/hard-carry pair in the safe lane, what are some general strategies for ensuring good farm and zoning out the opponent? This is a question for both the carry and the support. In a recent game, I was PL with a witch doctor support in the safe lane against Sven and Nyx. I often couldn't get any last hits, as if I attempted to do so I would get hit with two stuns and severely hurt or killed.

- Follow up: when playing support in the safe lane, is it good/standard practice to stack and pull every possible time? If I'm doing this and letting the carry get last hits, I often feel like I have no gold and no xp, and after buying wards/tp's I can't begin to afford stuff like Mek.

- If I'm playing a carry, what is some good advice on when to continue farming lane, or when to join in for a teamfight? In the aforementioned game as PL, if I continued farming and ignored my team, they would be wiped out 4v5.

If anyone feels like checking out my recent games as PL, they are 106522750 and 106501753. I really like how PL works but I'm 0-4 with him so far.

Worrying about your overall winrate is dumb. Also, to your teammates their mistakes probably look minimal to the mistakes they perceive you making. It's how it goes.

As a support:
Most supports have ranged autoattacks. Early game this is one of your most important tools and you should use it as much as possible. Harass, trade hits, attack and deny your own creeps to affect creep equilibrium, and soften up creeps under the tower for your carry(ranged creeps take 2 tower shots + 2 hits). Harassing enemies can be important because if their health is lower then going aggressive starts to look less attractive. Following that same idea, staying topped off makes agression against you harder. Tranquil Boots, Headdress on the support, Tangos and Salves all help keep your rear end in the lane. If you need to there's nothing wrong with ferrying extra regen to yourself in the lane.

Pulls:
Pulls can be a big source of xp and gold for supports if you babysit the pull and lasthit the neutrals. Stacking and pulling is the most reliable way, but the most profitable way to do pulls is to do a double (or triple!) pull and actively try and kill as many camps as possible with one pulled wave. If you stack the medium pull camp several times, pulling is very easy and doesn't require you to stay there but it's not very profitable.
Pulls have a couple of effects on the lane:
-The carry needs to deal with the wave hitting the tower by kiting or pulling it further back. QB helps out lasthit the tower, Stout (for melee) & Tranqs help protect their health from being chipped away by creep attacks. It takes some practice to be able to lasthit under your tower well and carry players might not be used to it.
-Puts you further away from ally, possibly out of range to help in time or be helped. This is more of a concern against a very dangerous lane. If you can't prevent them from coming over and stealing your pull then you only got the creep equilibrium shift out of it. If they can kill your carry without you there to protect him then obviously you can't afford to be a screen away doing a pull.
-Because the enemy wave is hitting your tower it can cause a lot of tower damage if you're not careful. Don't do a pull when a large enemy wave is already pushing, you'll probably just lose your tower.

Carry Play:
When to fight depends on if you can make a difference. If you're just going to be another warm body for the great mid standoff of '13 then gently caress that, go farm. Do you feel strong? Can your team counterpush well enough to not lose the tower? It depends on a lot of things but here's an easy example:
You were laning KotL + PL. The enemy team starts pushing mid with 3 or more. You're at Tranqs + SR + halfway to Diffusal. Your lane isn't scary because one or both of them are part of that middle push. What should you do?
Send KotL over there to blast the push down and stall it indefinitely, and carry a TP to join in if a fight does break out. Take the opportunity to farm and/or counterpush your lane as hard as you can while the teams are occupied. Sometimes you have to be selfish and get your farm up before you show up to fights.

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Firebatgyro
Dec 3, 2010


Sandeep posted:

This doesn't jive with my experience or this thread: http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=23692. The abandon doesn't come until 5 minutes after the drop occurs, which is why there's a 5 minute window to get first blood after the drop. I guess if you drop, and then later on the person who dropped his the "Leave Game" button to force the abandon, that would take place immediately. But in general when people have dropped, it usually takes 5 minutes before the abandon occurs.

Yes it always takes 5 minutes for the abandon. If a guy disconnects at 1 minute he will get the abandon at 6 minutes and the game will not count even if the first blood occurred in the interim.

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