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Fergus Mac Roich posted:I honestly never put it together like that or thought about them being actually connected in any way until I started seeing discussion about timelines, which was like a year ago(I don't read Zelda stuff much). I just assumed it was the same rough outline of a story being told over and over and that's all there was to it. Some of the games have some very direct ties/references to other ones. Like the stained glass paintings of the Ocarina of Time sages in the Master Sword room in The Wind Waker and Ganondorf's execution in Twilight Princess.
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pentyne posted:The real story is "Hey, Miyamoto, if you make a timeline we can make insane amounts of money by selling it in a book." "But guys, we haven't been trying at anything resembling a timeline beyond vague references for years! And the 2D games hardly fit anywhere!" "Shigeru, listen. INSANE amounts of money." TwoPair fucked around with this message at 09:54 on Jan 28, 2013 |
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bpc908 posted:The Three Split Timeline makes absolutely no sense. Link always succeeds in my book. Nowhere in the games does Link fail. The Two Split timeline makes more sense than the three split. Before you take control of Lunk in OoT he has a dream of Ganondorf shooting him in the face.
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Jan 28, 2013 10:04
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Fergus Mac Roich posted:I honestly never put it together like that or thought about them being actually connected in any way until I started seeing discussion about timelines, which was like a year ago(I don't read Zelda stuff much). I just assumed it was the same rough outline of a story being told over and over and that's all there was to it. But nerds couldn't take that and started going on about timelines.
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Jan 28, 2013 10:58
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I hope I'm not the only one who's copy of Hyrule Historia came early today!!  Yeah, I dunno why they put out a special edition. The regular edition is pretty drat snazzy as it is.
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Jan 28, 2013 18:09
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The three timelines exist because OoT is both a prequel to LttP and a semi-reboot. LttP's backstory requires the hero to fail, but what kind of ending would that be for the first ever 3D Zelda? It's like that Star Wars game where you can defeat Palpatine as Vader and change the whole ending. Or when people thought Twilight Princess would end with Link's failure and the Great Flood. Really? If they made a prequel to Wind Waker, you'd probably prevent the flood and create yet a fourth timeline, because Nintendo just doesn't make their games that dark.
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Jan 28, 2013 18:23
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Rake Arms posted:The three timelines exist because OoT is both a prequel to LttP and a semi-reboot. LttP's backstory requires the hero to fail, but what kind of ending would that be for the first ever 3D Zelda? It's like that Star Wars game where you can defeat Palpatine as Vader and change the whole ending. Or when people thought Twilight Princess would end with Link's failure and the Great Flood. Really? If they made a prequel to Wind Waker, you'd probably prevent the flood and create yet a fourth timeline, because Nintendo just doesn't make their games that dark. I always thought that, when the intro to Wind Waker talks about the hero leaving Hyrule and letting evil back in, that was when Link is in Termina for Majora's Mask.
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Jan 28, 2013 18:31
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C-Euro posted:I always thought that, when the intro to Wind Waker talks about the hero leaving Hyrule and letting evil back in, that was when Link is in Termina for Majora's Mask. And the Triforce of Courage broke when he was cursed into Deku Scrub form! 
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Jan 28, 2013 18:41
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C-Euro posted:I always thought that, when the intro to Wind Waker talks about the hero leaving Hyrule and letting evil back in, that was when Link is in Termina for Majora's Mask. Nintendo said that Wind Waker stems from the future timeline. Link awakes in the Temple of Time in the future after Hyrule has been taken over by Ganon. Link defeats Ganon and then goes back in time. The future timeline continues, but without Link in it, Ganon returns, leading to the flood, Wind Waker.
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Jan 28, 2013 18:49
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Supercar Gautier posted:Ocarina of Time: Let's make a prequel to LttP! Aonuma and Miyamoto have both said since WW came out that the idea of two timelines coming from OoT was always the plan, but yeah the third "oh if Link fails that leads to the old 2D games" timeline is clearly them retconning poo poo because they didn't stop and realize at first that both Twilight Princess and Wind Waker broke the whole "OoT is LttP's prequel" idea. It makes kind of a weird amount of retroactive sense though, since the Ganon that appears in the "failed" timeline is always a horrible pig monster gone mad with power and no humanity left. Actually, they managed to make each Ganondorf make sense in each game that he appeared. WW Ganondorf is a crafty schemer obsessed with getting back the power he lost and seems kind of tired by this whole thing, TP Ganondorf is an arrogant jerk who didn't earn his piece of the Triforce and assumes that he's better than everyone else.
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Obligatory Toast posted:I hope I'm not the only one who's copy of Hyrule Historia came early today!! Mind throwing up a pic of it? Mine won't be delivered until tomorrow but I'd like to see an actual picture of how snazzy it is.
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Supercar Gautier posted:Ocarina of Time: Let's make a prequel to LttP! LTTP was already a prequel to the first zelda, and it managed not to contradict anything. Wind Waker is the one that hosed everything up, and from that point onwards no one cared about continuity.
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CrushedB posted:It makes kind of a weird amount of retroactive sense though, since the Ganon that appears in the "failed" timeline is always a horrible pig monster gone mad with power and no humanity left. Actually, they managed to make each Ganondorf make sense in each game that he appeared. WW Ganondorf is a crafty schemer obsessed with getting back the power he lost and seems kind of tired by this whole thing, TP Ganondorf is an arrogant jerk who didn't earn his piece of the Triforce and assumes that he's better than everyone else. I don't think they planned this in advance, but the fate of Demise in Skyward Sword actually ties into Wind Waker when Ganondorf says the Master Sword is the key to unlocking his magic. I think SS meant to retcon that as a reference to Demise's consciousness being sealed in the blade. Peewi posted:Some of the games have some very direct ties/references to other ones. Like the stained glass paintings of the Ocarina of Time sages in the Master Sword room in The Wind Waker and Ganondorf's execution in Twilight Princess. Wind Waker is packed with OoT references. Aside from the sages, the Hero of Time, and the roughly matching geography, some of the references are very specific. The King says the Pirate's Charm is a modified Gossip Stone, even though there are no Gossip Stones in WW. You even learn the Rake Arms fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Jan 28, 2013 |
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Jan 28, 2013 19:20
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Lurdiak posted:LTTP was already a prequel to the first zelda, and it managed not to contradict anything. Wind Waker is the one that hosed everything up, and from that point onwards no one cared about continuity. I hope we keep getting games like Wind Waker that decimate the timeline, since they tend to be the best anyway.
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Jan 28, 2013 19:40
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Your Dead Gay Son posted:I hope we keep getting games like Wind Waker that decimate the timeline, since they tend to be the best anyway. Spirit Tracks wasn't really that great and that probably destroyed the timeline more than WW(i.e. Trains).
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Your Dead Gay Son posted:I hope we keep getting games like Wind Waker that decimate the timeline, since they tend to be the best anyway. You can't extrapolate a pattern from a single example!
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Jan 28, 2013 19:48
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WendigoJohnson posted:Spirit Tracks wasn't really that great and that probably destroyed the timeline more than WW(i.e. Trains). Nah, it was explicitly stated in-game that it took place decades after the events of Wind Waker/ Phantom Hourglass.
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Rake Arms posted:I don't think they planned this in advance, but the fate of Demise in Skyward Sword actually ties into Wind Waker when Ganondorf says the Master Sword is the key to unlocking his magic. I think SS meant to retcon that as a reference to Demise's consciousness being sealed in the blade. I thiiiink I read somewhere that that was a mistranslation of some kind, and Ganondorf was just talking about how you just unfroze the rest of his army from being stuck in time down there. There was some site where people were comparing the Japanese text and English localizations of all the games; most of it was perfectly fine, just adapting it to be a bit more poetic and natural in English, but there were a few weird things. Like the original LttP Japanese manual's backstory about Hyrule and the Master Sword was more fleshed out and consistent with the later games than the English version, and Twilight Princess having some bizarre translation choices that lead to stuff like "the ancient sages were Zelda's tutors" that wasn't present in the original at all.
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C-Euro posted:I always thought that, when the intro to Wind Waker talks about the hero leaving Hyrule and letting evil back in, that was when Link is in Termina for Majora's Mask. I always thought it was when Link was in Soul Caliber 2, since they both came out around the same time.
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Gentlemen, gentlemen all this timeline nonsense can be cleared up by an expert on the subject, Dr. Emmett Brown. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHCbp5LTgbU (ignore that crummy acting in the first minute and a half.)
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Commissar Ken posted:(ignore that crummy acting in the first minute and a half.) But let's give some recognition to Link's dead-on Marty impression.
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Rake Arms posted:But let's give some recognition to Link's dead-on Marty impression. Oh without a doubt. Also I guess they made a sequel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEVdWlNCUkg
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Ammat The Ankh posted:Nah, it was explicitly stated in-game that it took place decades after the events of Wind Waker/ Phantom Hourglass. Except how does Hyrule go from Ships and boats as a primary means of transportation to then choo choo trains in just 10 years?
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WendigoJohnson posted:Except how does Hyrule go from Ships and boats as a primary means of transportation to then choo choo trains in just 10 years? Because it wasn't 10 years, it was 100. Remember that Niko was an old man and the only one still alive from Wind Waker.
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What's up with ghosts? They obviously exist and can be chatted up, why aren't there any old as gently caress ghosts that can tell us what's up
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WendigoJohnson posted:Except how does Hyrule go from Ships and boats as a primary means of transportation to then choo choo trains in just 10 years? Disregarding that it's a much larger timespan (several generations), the Hyrule in Spirit Tracks is a new land founded by Link and Tetra. I don't imagine they would keep using boats on land. Also, if steamships exist in WW/PH, then trains are no huge stretch. Commissar Ken posted:Oh without a doubt. Also I guess they made a sequel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEVdWlNCUkg The best part is when he pauses to check the buttons for the Song of Time.
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Obligatory Toast posted:I hope I'm not the only one who's copy of Hyrule Historia came early today!! I'm reading this on the train on my way home and you're getting my hopes up. If its not there when I get home, we got a problem, bub. edit: You're in luck 
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Irish Taxi Driver posted:I always thought it was when Link was in Soul Caliber 2, since they both came out around the same time. Oh poo poo, I hadn't even thought of that
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Irish Taxi Driver posted:I always thought it was when Link was in Soul Caliber 2, since they both came out around the same time. After doing some reading I've decided I don't like this overarching storyline stuff and I think this is the only way it would loop back around and become cool for me. If they could figure the other bonus characters like Darth Vader into Zelda that would be extra cool.
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Fergus Mac Roich posted:After doing some reading I've decided I don't like this overarching storyline stuff and I think this is the only way it would loop back around and become cool for me. If they could figure the other bonus characters like Darth Vader into Zelda that would be extra cool. I know the split timeline is totally irrelevant to the actual games, but this trailer made me imagine a Zelda game where you can actually jump between the three worlds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj7L6pEoFBQ Then again, if you look closely, you can see some clearly Zelda-inspired elements in this game. Maybe it will be satisfyingly Zelda-like on its own.
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scary ghost dog posted:What's up with ghosts? They obviously exist and can be chatted up, why aren't there any old as gently caress ghosts that can tell us what's up
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Rake Arms posted:I know the split timeline is totally irrelevant to the actual games, but this trailer made me imagine a Zelda game where you can actually jump between the three worlds.
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Ineffiable posted:Mind throwing up a pic of it? Mine won't be delivered until tomorrow but I'd like to see an actual picture of how snazzy it is. Aw, sorry! I wish I saw this before I woke up and left for work, then I would've snapped a pic for you. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by it. My only grief is I wish it had a dust jacket. Edit: Nevermind apparently I didn't need to work tonight. I apologize for the lovely iPhone pics.  Bonus concept art of the Kikwis here: http://i.imgur.com/mkdkRGH.jpg It's very cute! I actually wish they had used these designs instead. Obligatory Toast fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Jan 29, 2013 |
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Obligatory Toast posted:Bonus concept art of the Kikwis here: http://i.imgur.com/mkdkRGH.jpg Jesus christ. I wish those dried out ones had shown up in-game, they look like they've seen some poo poo.
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Obligatory Toast posted:Aw, sorry! I wish I saw this before I woke up and left for work, then I would've snapped a pic for you. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by it. My only grief is I wish it had a dust jacket. Mind doing a mini-review of the book?
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BexGu posted:Mind doing a mini-review of the book? I got the same book. It's basically an art book with little comments from the game developers on some of the character designs. It focuses much more heavily on SS, with a lot on TP, but they have a few concept pieces from the original Zelda games. The 2 most recent games are 3/4 of the concept art. The timeline is definitely neat, but it really seems more like a way to coincidentally tie together 25 years of a franchise only previously united by a general plot. I'm pretty certain the next games will be placed after the end of the 3 major timelines to avoid having to jam them in after the fact.
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pentyne posted:I got the same book. It's basically an art book with little comments from the game developers on some of the character designs. It focuses much more heavily on SS, with a lot on TP, but they have a few concept pieces from the original Zelda games. The 2 most recent games are 3/4 of the concept art. I haven't read the manga in the back yet, but having read all of the other previous stuff that Himekawa put out for the series, I can guess it's probably anime as gently caress and I will enjoy the poo poo out of it regardless.
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My copy of Hyrule Historia just arrived. I'm going to enjoy reading through it. And I took pictures before reading the thread so now you get to see my copy too!  
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Concerning Aonuma mentioning that the next Zelda installment may have multiplayer got me thinking how awesome it would be if instead of Link saving Zelda, Link and Zelda work together to defeat whoever.
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MustelaFuro posted:Concerning Aonuma mentioning that the next Zelda installment may have multiplayer got me thinking how awesome it would be if instead of Link saving Zelda, Link and Zelda work together to defeat whoever. This is what I was hoping the New Game+ would be for Skyward Sword since they seemed to be hinting at it. I really wanted to play as characters other than link.
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