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peter banana
Sep 2, 2008

Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.
The time that Supertrain leaves is not a thing that we can know, people.

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peter banana
Sep 2, 2008

Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.
This came up on Merlin's tumblr today: http://miasmaofdata.tumblr.com/post/47620803897/the-apocryphal-adventures-of-john-roderick

peter banana
Sep 2, 2008

Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.
It's strange because recently he said he views himself as a person "engaged in a culture of ideas" an yet is really acrimonious to any of these "well-meaning college professors" writing to him to explain why what he says might be wrong (he's got some crappy opinions, tbh, that punk article was weird.) It seems like someone engaged with a culture of ideas would be more open to having his ideas challenged.

peter banana
Sep 2, 2008

Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.
I like that he basically admits his theory of feminism has to ignore all evidence. I like John, I really do, but any of his theories related to "social justice" or cultural studies show his "middle-aged-ness."

If someone really wants to be "engaged with a culture of ideas" as he claims to be you have to accept that your views will be challenged. People are going to disagree with you and maybe you should listen to their objections instead of whining about the fact that others are making objections.

peter banana fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Jun 11, 2014

peter banana
Sep 2, 2008

Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.
it was pretty tone deaf, considering some guy just shot a bunch of people because women wouldn't gently caress him and he felt entitled to that. Like, the biggest issue facing women right now isn't "the fact that we don't demand our own recognition" it's "will some man kill me because I said I wouldn't sleep with him?"

peter banana
Sep 2, 2008

Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.

WoG posted:

You really think that one incident is indicative of social structure at large?

as a woman: YES

peter banana
Sep 2, 2008

Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.
This is the worst and dumbest derail that ever happened so I'd like it to stop but: what are you even talking about?

Where did I whine about your objections? You asked me if my experiences indicated a larger problem with misogyny in society. I drew on my lifetime of experiences and answered yes. You are welcome to believe that the abuse, rape and harassment I've experienced at the hands of multiple men didn't actually happen but, uh, it did. I was there, you weren't so again what are you even talking about

peter banana
Sep 2, 2008

Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.
Sorry dude. I thought #notallmen was such a joke at this point no one would say it sincerely. Not sure why I thought that.

peter banana
Sep 2, 2008

Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.

Mescal posted:

I don't know how that discussion was controversial--I was listening pretty closely to that part, and he didn't seem to make a point.

it didn't quite get to a point. It sort of started out as "women's social and economic power is often overshadowed by patriarchy" which Merlin tried to articulate at one point. Then John sort of switched to, "well, actually women probably enjoyed traditional gender roles (whatever that means, including when they had no rights and were treated as property, I guess)" to "patriarchy is (or feminists believe it is) a weird conspiracy run by a board of shadowy figures to keep women down" again, freely admitting that those theories fly in the face of all evidence of women's real experiences

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peter banana
Sep 2, 2008

Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.
I really wonder who the musician was.

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