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purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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Eh, Begins is the only Nolan movie I thought was actually any good. The other 2 are like the LotR movies, where they seem awesome at first but look worse and worse the more times you watch them. They're everything I hate about the modern-day Batman, who is essentially a mopier Iron Man with a cape and pointy ears. They're full of what I can only describe as "gadget porn", where they trot out progressively more ridiculous technology that ultimately serves no real purpose but to wow the audience with how expensive and cutting-edge it is. DKR was just a mess. Anne Hathaway was the best thing about that movie and I found myself hoping that she and Cillian Murphy's Scarecrow would stick around whenever they inevitably reboot the franchise.

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purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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ZackHoagie posted:

There's no way to say this without sounding like some sort of rear end in a top hat, but usually when Hollywood casts a midget, it's because they want a midget on screen.

Dinklage is pretty hot poo poo right now. If anybody's going to shake off that kind of stigma it's going to be him.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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He looks like one of the dwarves from The Hobbit. Like, literally, I'm not going to be surprised if he comes at Tony with throwing axes in the climax.

e: Anyway the comic book Mandarin is a ridiculously out-of-date racist caricature and they need to stay as far away from it as possible. I'm kind of shocked they're using the name "Mandarin" in the film at all.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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Supreme Allah posted:

I used to read tons of comics, I have not a single idea what Mandarin does or what his rings do. For some reason I thought he was Evil Tony Stark from the future.

Doesn't each one of his rings have some elemental power or something? Like one is fire, one is lightning, and poo poo like that?

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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bobkatt013 posted:

Yes they had an awesome storyline with him, and it was more of him as an evil buisnessman and not Yellow Peril.

China as a looming industrial/business powerhouse is pretty much the new Yellow Peril, yo.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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IM2 was like the exact same arc he had in IM1. He starts out a smug dickbag who then goes through some poo poo, gets taken down a few pegs and has to learn to be selfless/care about others/etc. etc. etc. It just felt like a retread. At least in Avengers it seemed like he'd made some progress.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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Any kind of fiction that isn't willing to examine its own foundation with a critical eye from time to time is problematic because it quickly turns into propaganda.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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Skwirl posted:

I'm pretty sure only posting "QFT" is a probatable offense, so I'm going to point out that she was key in establishing the film as an inversion of the male gaze. She was the first to point out how hot Chris Hemsworth was, and every film with a mysterious and hot female character has a side kick who says "drat, she hot" to the male protagonist. (Also having gone through trying to find an internship that fit my major and not make me want to kill myself, makes me laugh at the the idea of a poli-sci major working with astronomers).

This was one of my favorite things about Thor. It was really refreshing to see a female lead in an action movie who is openly sexually interested the male lead but who isn't cast as a slut for it.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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And that's why Batman should never attempt to be realistic and why the animated series will always be the best take on the character

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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I hope they go in the complete opposite direction and that the next Batman movie has a costume that actually looks like some fabric is involved. Here's a fun test, if you take off the cowl, is the costume still recognizable as Batman? Bale's Batsuit just looks like some generic paramilitary Halo armor to me. You have to really be looking to even tell that there's a little bat on his chest and it's virtually never visible in the movies themselves.

It'll never happen, of course.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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McSpanky posted:

Would this be a bad time to invoke the recent Catwoman reboot? :ughh:

Any day that ends in "y" is a bad time to bring up the New 52 Catwoman.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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Deadpool posted:

The new Wonder Woman series is the first time I've ever given a poo poo about Wonder Woman. It's also the only good comic that DC still produces.

Batwoman has been really good, although ironically enough it's guest-starred Wonder Woman for the last six or so issues.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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Carol Danvers as Capt. Marvel in Avengers 2 would be one of the absolute best things they could do. Short of hijacking Storm somehow she is the only high-profile Marvel woman and Avengers desperately needs more than just Natasha.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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effectual posted:

Why is wonder woman a female Cap 'murica anyway? I think it's cooler if she's some greek/amazon independent hero instead of yet another who's subservient to the US. I never read comics but heard last year Superman rejected his citizenship, now there's some story potential.

Her outfit is weirdly patriotic, but that's a holdover from the fact that she got her start busting Nazis in WWII. Much like wearing pants, every attempt to remove that aspect of her design has resulted in a much worse costume so it's stuck around. She's really not "AMERICA, gently caress YEAH!" at all and hasn't been for decades.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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There's decades of precedent for it, just not in film. They're basically just recreating the Marvel Universe (sans mutants and Spider-Man) that's existed since the sixties. It's a lot easier to keep together when you're telling a bunch of short stories every month, though - I do wonder how long they'll be able to keep it up, even if they get movies out every year. They earned a ridiculous amount of public goodwill from Avengers though so I imagine they'll be able to keep it rolling for a while.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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Batman and Robin is hilarious. Batman Forever is just obnoxious. I do not know why people in the 90s were OK with paying money to see Jim Carrey do things in movies, and I say this as somebody who was alive and paying for movies in the 90s.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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Clearly they're going with the Decimation version, and that's why there aren't any mutants in the Marvel movieverse.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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She said "those cards", meaning the ones that Fury had put blood on were the same ones that were found in his locker.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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How was that a weird moment? It was obvious Loki was influencing their moods through the staff even though he was locked up and pitting them against each other. I don't think you need to justify that scene, but it would be cool to see it turn out to be the mind gem anyway.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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PaganGoatPants posted:

Michael Jai White. Make it happen.

Is there a reason goons suggest Michael Jai White for every single black superhero role, or

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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He's like two hundred years old, would he even last long enough to get poisoning from the metal?

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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Maybe it's an alternate timeline retelling of him changing for the first time or something. Days of Future Past after all.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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I think they have to be at least believably working on progressing forward with a new film, right? That's why once talks on that Daredevil reboot fell through, the rights went back to Marvel, I think.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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NarkyBark posted:

You can have campy and violent at the same time!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-hevVsnrWM

I knew what this was going to be before I clicked it. This is the most under-appreciated movie pretty much ever.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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Timeless Appeal posted:

If you haven't listened to it already, How Did This Get Made has an amazing episode devoted to just interviewing the director with Patton Oswalt along for the ride. It will just make you love the film more.

My favorite part of that episode is the clip they play from the Marvel Super Hero Squad cartoon with Ray Stevenson revising his role as the Punisher giving a monologue about how crime is like gross veggies that take over your dinner plate.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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Spawn has aged horrendously, and even people who were super into it when it was a big deal are just embarassed by it today. I speak from personal experience. Maybe in a few years you'd get that crowd of people who were 12 years old in 1997 old enough to get nostalgic about their JNCOs and their Korn CDs and their Spawn comics.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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I actually got pulled in for a focus group preview for the Spawn movie when I was hanging out at the mall. I was like fifteen then so I acted like I had never heard of the comic because the lady asking the questions was cute.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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Aquaman was legitimately awesome on Justice League. He chopped his own hand off to save his infant son and then had a harpoon mounted on the stump. Aquaman rules.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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It's like they took the criticism of how lovely and fake the CGI on Wolverine's claws was in Origins and decided to make everything look that way so it wouldn't stand out. Amazing.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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I still havent seen ASM but man, the new guy looks freaking perfect as Spider-Man. The costume, his build, the big white eyes, it's lightyears beyond the Raimi movies.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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Avengers is loving awesome. Y'all are boring nerds.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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Well yeah, but that's basically comparing Avengers to 2 of the most perfect movies ever made. And the 'witty' dialogue is pretty much on par with most of the stuff Stan Lee wrote back in the day. Avengers felt like watching a comic book. I mean the comics it's based on aren't loving Maus or Watchmen. It was bright, breezy superhero action and it was exactly what it should have been.

e: There's this feeling I get from goons and comic book nerds in general that acts like every comic book adaptation needs to be Dark Knight, it needs to take itself super seriously and respect the source material and all that stuff. Not every comic book treats superheroes that way so why should every adaptation do that?

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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Sir Kodiak posted:

But compared to Christopher Nolan, Zach Snyder, Ang Lee, Neveldine and Taylor, and other actually-talented film directors the Avengers fails in pretty much every other way.

To use a comic book analogy again - I'd like it if every single superhero comic were drawn by JH Williams III, Chris Bachalo, or Mike Mignolia. Whedon is like the Jim Lee of directors - he's competent, impressive to people who aren't familiar with the craft, and guaranteed to bring in a lot of people - but most comic book fans could probably think of artists they feel like fit the characters better. Same deal with Whedon vs. the directors you named.

And honestly, somebody like Mignolia probably wouldn't be the best pick for a big Justice League style team up book with six or seven colorful superheroes fighting in huge set pieces. Whedon might not be putting much of a stylistic spin on what's going on but something like Avengers is probably better served by simplicity, or it's going to get cumbersome and confusing really fast.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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One thing I think helps is making the distinction between "It was a good movie" and "It was a movie I liked". I appreciate that Dark Knight is a much better movie than Avengers on a lot of levels. Nolan is a more creative director than Whedon, it's full of better actors than Avengers and the amount of polish and care put into it by nearly every aspect of the production is far beyond that of Avengers. However, it's not a movie I like to watch. I think it's dull, joyless, and it presents a Batman who is about as far as you can get from what I like about Batman. It's completely a personal, subjective feeling and I admit this wholly.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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wyoming posted:

Your mistake here is assuming that the Nolan Batman films are in anyway "super serious".

Something that takes itself super seriously isn't the same thing as something that is super serious.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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Baron Bifford posted:

The battle scenes at the end of the movie looked like a video game. It lacked a certain... visceral (?) punch.

People were saying this since the first trailers came out and I just dont see it. That Wolverine footage from a few pages back, now THAT poo poo looks like a video game.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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Him and Magneto are both wearing some kind of battle harness in those shots, plus they look hard as hell - I'd bet those are from some alternate dystopian timeline.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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gently caress that. You can't put these two characters together for the first time ever in the same movie and expect to pull of a scene like that, that depends on years of history between them.

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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Democratic Pirate posted:

If they go with the type of Batman shown in Nolan's films, I don't know how that would work. One Superman punch sends Batman parts all over the world.

I don't follow comic stuff outside of the movies (and cartoons a few years ago) so I just don't see Batman winning a physical contest.

One thing Batman is known for is being prepared, especially when you hang out with superpowered aliens all day, you never know when somebody's going to get mind-controlled or something. In DKR Superman's been weakened by a Kryptonite gas that Batman's spent years and millions of dollars developing.

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purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

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So the theme of this year's Comic Con announcements seems to be "gently caress it, let's just go for it."

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