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Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

bobkatt013 posted:

Ya so we will see him for maybe 10-15 minutes and also expect him to be in another story.

As a person who never read the Sin City graphic novels, I take it the story in this flick is a prequel to the one in the first movie then?

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Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

WickedIcon posted:

Is that first one Ran? :stare:

Looks like 13 Assassins

A Miike flick.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

I think Michael Bay has his moments with some movies but I don't think he'd be a good fit directing Ninja Turtles. His excess isn't exactly appropriate for the material. I don't know what to expect from the film honestly. Nostalgia aside, I still think the original film is still great and holds up really well.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

Rhyno posted:

Maybe she'll die horrible and pass her camera on to her younger brother.

Who is also named Jenny Olsen?

Will she die by getting turned into a robot? Or a monkey? Or a bottle of pop? (In which Superman unknowingly drinks)

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

As someone pointed out earlier, if you want to see what he'd be like as Batman (albeit a kill-happy one), watch Dredd. Buy it in fact. Several copies even, for your friends. I think he'd be perfect for the role for the DC movieverse.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

At least with Reptile there was a pretty badass pay-off when he gets a proper fight with Liu Kang.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

Tommy 2.0 posted:

Oh please don't be true...

Batman/Superman stuff

If it means Karl Urban will be cast as Bruce Wayne I don't give a poo poo, so long as they don't play him as an old man Batman but more of a wordly, experienced Batman then maybe that'll be pretty good.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

The only time they should ever get physical is when they first meet and it should be like in the Timm Superman cartoon. Superman is just too powerful, plain and simple. His punches were concussing the air around the impact point in Man of Steel and I'm pretty sure if he did that against a normal human, even in the most advanced, sturdy body armor, they'd be picking his rear end up with a sponge. It's one thing to have Thor fight Iron Man, but it's another to have Superman fight Batman. It's a disservice to both characters and whoever wins, everyone loses because not only did you just piss off the fans but you destroyed whatever hope that character has of ever becoming something good (mostly Superman in this case since he has the most to lose).

I'd be alright with Bruce Wayne mainly being in the film. If you give him the most screen time and how he reacts to Superman it'll build what kind of person he is and give the audience an idea of who this "new" Bruce Wayne is and what to expect what kind of Batman he will be.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

I'm still of the opinion that no human should ever best Superman in fisticuffs. His heat vision, the ability to throw really big, heavy things from a distance, ect. (:engleft:)

Spergy logistics aside, for what reason would this Superman have to fight Batman? You have two options here: you turn Batman into an rear end in a top hat who actively goes against Superman, thus pissing off and alienating the Batman fanbase for turning him into a villain or you turn Superman into an rear end in a top hat, doing a complete 180 of the type of character that has been established. Government control is one, I guess, but that's another thing Man of Steel firmly established, Superman wants be their friend but not their weapon.

If they do fight and kryptonite is used, who will win? If Batman wins, Superman as a character is ruined because a mere mortal brought down a god, if Superman wins then Superman will just be seen as a bully picking on a mere mortal. Either way, the fanbase of their respective characters would be pissed.

Eggs will have to be broken to make this omelette. Unfortunately, both of them are golden.

Edit:

Rhyno posted:

They've brought in Miller as a consultant for the film so I expect it's going to end with Batman's foot up Superman's rear end.
What? Do you have a source for this?

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

Aliens that look like humans but different color or head dimples always bothered me until I saw the movie K-Pax where he compared himself looking like human to why bubbles are round: it's the most energy-efficient configuration. For some reason, after that "different looking humans" kind of alien never bothered me.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

I rather he be John Stewart. I'd watch a (good) Green Lantern movie if he were involved.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

Dacap posted:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!




I was joking about this with my friends the other day. I'm glad I wasn't the only one who made that (lovely) joke.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

TheJoker138 posted:

If all you're playing is the story mode, sure. It's set up pretty much the same as the Mortal Kombat 9 one, so I don't know what else you were expecting though.

The meltdown would be huge. Perhaps even bigger when they removed Superman's red trunks in Man of Steel or made Lois Lane into a competent investigative reporter and character.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

catch22 posted:

Yes I understand plot armor. Thanks.

Yes, Superman can be interesting and I think such a character should exist in the DCU, but he's very hard to write for. You can't challenge him physically; I think the best Superman stories are ones that challenge his character/virtue, ones that put him through his paces mentally/emotionally. You could say that's true of every character, but I think it's especially true of superman. He's the unmovable Boy Scout, and stories that challenge that or show there's still room for personal growth are necessary. I guess my issue is more with his personality than anything else, though I still think characters with that much power tend to lack suspense.

In Man of Steel they didn't make him an unmovable boy scout and it's one of the most divisive movies released this summer. Either you liked the changes and the story they told or thought they completely ruined the character of Superman because it wasn't like the Donner film. Read the Man of Steel thread and you'll see exactly that. It's hard to change things about an established character in films, especially remakes or retellings. It's why I think in a few years people will look back at Man of Steel a bit more fondly because their preconceptions of the character will be gone or changed enough that they'll be more open to different interpretations of the character.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

LtKenFrankenstein posted:

I know some people around here liked Watchmen, but after that film's middling performance commercially and critically, I don't think anyone in Hollywood is gonna trust Zack Snyder with an more difficult and audience-unfriendly Alan Moore adaptation.

Commercially? The movie made back its budget and then some. Not to mention all the promotional deals. For a reboot it did really well. It made much more than Batman Begins did, which people seem to forget. As for critically, no one really cares about what critics have to say. It's why the Transformer movies are still being made.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

The Action Man posted:

The Transformers movie are insanely profitable despite being awful. WB wants a Transformers-type cash cow instead of something that slowly but surely turns a tidy profit.

Yeah, it's a shame too. I don't care much for the Marvel films all that much but I will give them credit for having a plan and not rush into crossovers and quick cash cows. They stuck to their plan and it payed off for them immensely. WB, on the other hand, sure is rushing through things. Man of Steel was a great set-up for an incredibly sequel but they decided to throw Batman into the mix. We'll see how it goes but I honestly think Superman's story requires a full film of development to do right and not be bogged down by rebooting Batman's.

LtKenFrankenstein posted:

It made back significantly less than its budget in its entire US run and only just made back its budget at all overseas. It also had one of the steepest post-opening weekend dropoffs of any major comic book movie ever. It wasn't a bomb, but it's not something anyone can point to as a big success either.

Significantly less? It made back its budget plus roughly 70 million domestically. Then it made about 400 million overseas. Not sequel to established film franchise numbers, but as a reboot that's pretty drat good.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

Ooh, my mistake. I thought we were talking about Man of Steel, not Watchmen.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

I hope they don't call it Batman vs. Superman or Superman vs. Batman. It's such a stupid title but I know they will because of the marketing potential.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

Batman becomes furious with Superman after he disrupted the championship game to swoop in and arrest the star quarterback of Gotham's team after he was found out to be the ringleader a major underground drug trade, thus costing Batman millions because he had a 10 to 1 bet going. He swears to take down the Man of Steel by any means.

You can use this idea, WB. However, I want 10% of the film's gross plus merchandising.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

Error 404 posted:

That's what I mean. It was a cute gag in the movie that got loving run into the ground because nerds ruin everything. It's as bad as "the cake is a lie" at this point.

To be fair, the gaming enthusiast press ran that poo poo into the ground too. It was cute and funny but they thought it was the greatest thing in the history of forever.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

WickedHate posted:

I haven't watched Flashpoint, but otherwise, aside from the Supergirl one(Batman taking out mutliple Doomsdays with explosive batarangs), I've liked them.

I didn't care for the voice cast they chose for the Justice League members in Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths. Batman sounded like a 60 year old man in that.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

Sir Kodiak posted:

Were people really not amused by, say, the Joker pounding on the trigger mechanism when the hospital bombs don't go off, then scurrying away when the explosions start back up?

I'd categorize that stuff as dark humor. Especially his magic trick early on, which I get a laugh out of every time I see it. When people talk about fun in superhero movies they are usually thinking about the Marvel films. Those I find fun but I tend to think they're pretty shallow, flash-in-the-pan experiences that don't really resonate with me. Man of Steal, on the other hand, I found to be one of my favorite superhero films and constantly find new things or discuss scenes with friends, both in a positive and negative light.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

If you watch the feature on the second disc of the Man of Steel blu-ray where the production team talks about the movie and shows what was cut or omitted and whatnot, there are a lot of head-scratching things they removed - mainly little character moments for Clark/Superman that would have levied some criticisms of the film. After seeing those cuts I was disappointed that they weren't in the final cut since they did a lot to flesh out Superman a whole lot even though they're brief little moments.

I thoroughly enjoyed the action in Man of Steel as a whole since it did something I missed from The Avengers - there was tension and consequences. It wasn't glorified by having Superman beat up a bunch of faceless cannon fodder while striking heroic poses while slightly injured pedestrians run away and no one dies and everyone laughs at the crazy event that just happened. It was fun in the Avengers and I like that movie but I appreciate what Man of Steel did more as a whole. Until Batman was announced I was really looking forward to the sequel where Superman had to deal with the fallout of all that destruction and the public's perception of him.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

ImpAtom posted:

What sort of things?

Like when Clark first comes home, he has a conversation with his mother about fixing up her house or when Zodd is crawling out of the wreckage of the scout ship Superman turns to everyone and tells them to stay back. Just little things that gives him more humanity.

teagone posted:

What makes you think they won't explore that in the Superman/Batman film?

Like ImpAtom said, the whole movie, in my opinion, should be Superman dealing with the fallout. This sequel has to reintroduce Batman and clear the air that he isn't the same as Nolan's Batman and all that nonsense. It's why when films have multiple villains none of them are fleshed out. I fear that it may be the case with Superman and Batman's storylines. If they're not then great but I'm expecting the worse.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

The MSJ posted:

Did you watch the documentary, which presents Krypton as if it's a real place?

Yeah, I thought it was extremely well done. That one is also on the second disc. I got a good laugh that all the 3d renders of the alien tech were credited to Lexicorp. Was a nice but subtle bit of foreshadowing.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

Clark slamming into Zod was the only time he has caused wanton destruction and the first time he ever used his powers to fight someone. Until that point he only started to use his powers to that extent for like a day. He had a very emotional response towards someone threatening his mother. On the other hand, the destruction in Metropolis was mainly Zod's doing. That entire fight he was trying to make the best of a crummy situation. There's a reason why the damage he causes is paralleled by the damage the military causes, both in Smallville and Metropolis.

Captain America, on the other hand, was a trained soldier and was taught tactics and given leadership during a war.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

MjolnirMan posted:

I'm not a huge Superman fan and I like all different types of movies and takes on stories, but are you really suggesting that MoS intentionally set him up to be a bumbling idiot who didn't know what he was doing and so just kind of stupidly and accidentally let most of Metropolis be destroyed? Like, that was what you took away from the movie, and what was intended to be conveyed?

People do irrational things when they're upset. His actions were completely understandable, even if you don't condone them. He was all piss and vinegar during that scene but he very next one he was clearly shaken up and worried when he was walking down the street (Henry Cavill did a fantastic job) to face Faora and the big guy. He never did this stuff before. It's easy to view this stuff from a distance but he acted like someone who lashed out in anger and someone who has never been in a fight before. Metropolis was the result of getting hit by a demi-god hard enough that it causes the air around him to concuss.

In other words, those poor soldiers.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

lomzus posted:

I was looking forward to focus more on Superman in a sequel to his own movie, but thats looking unlikly.

You and me both, buddy.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

I liked Faora because she was a presence every time she was on screen. They gave her a lot to do and has like 3 sentences of dialogue the entire movie.

Sir Kodiak posted:

I feel like his argument sort of falls apart here: "Zod's right-hand woman Fajora-Ul, Antje Traue, is a powerful presence, but she's even more desexualized than Lois; her character's main trait is a pathological hatred of men." Is Zod less of a character than Superman because he's far less sexualized?

It doesn't really make much sense either. One silly detail I noticed when I saw it again on Blu-ray is that when she first sees Superman she sizes him up. It'd be hard to since the guy looked like it was cut from marble.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

Is there a reason why they do that? If I remember correctly Avengers lost Marvel money too. Do they get a tax break or something if they file that the movie lost them money? I'm intrigued by this shady, morally-bankrupt yet somehow not illegal Hollywood finance stuff.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

mind the walrus posted:

Avengers pulled it off pretty loving nicely.

It's overlong, dour, intercut with poo poo footage of the underdeveloped Daily Planet cast playing 9/11 pickup, and despite all these attempts to portray how grim and serious the situation is they never once acknowledge the ludicrous amount of people that are surely dying neither during nor after the event. It's very technically proficient garbage.

Avengers were a bunch of action figures beating up faceless cannon fodder, which was OK for what they were going for with that film. But if you look past that the most grievous injury any civilian sustained in that attack were mild cuts and bruises. Chitauri were such a non-threat that it was hard to get involved in the whole thing beyond the spectacle. There simply wasn't any tension because it was a weak villain facing against established heroes.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

mind the walrus posted:

True, the point of that fight was more the synthesis of the team.

Still doesn't invalidate word loving one of what I've said about Man of Steel, Man of Steel was also action figures slamming together just with a "we mean it" face on, the Avengers showed--however briefly--that there were horrific civilian casualties and fallout to their nonsense, and the Avengers was a more engaging set of disaster porn to sit through for 20+ minutes.

It was more heavy-handed. Instead of it being part of the going-ons of the story they slap it at the end of Nick Fury scrolling through a bunch of news stories. But credit where credit is due, that was one great Stan Lee cameo there. But beyond that, the rest is a matter of taste. Because the villain was weak I didn't find the Avenger stuff all that engaging while in MoS I did.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

Aphrodite posted:

Stupid kids. Donatello is way cooler than Raphael.

His weapon has the longest reach, so you can attack enemies on platforms above you and cheese Rocksteady during his boss battle if you stand on the crates to the right.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

They could have gotten away with a Pirates of Dark Water film at the height of the Pirates of the Caribbean popularity.

Freakazoid_ posted:

Of all the toys in my old toy chest, Exosquad deserves a movie. It has everything you need to make both a great action film and a decent story: a space navy with power suits/mechs, a colonized mars AND venus, an artificially created slave race of purple ubermenschen overthrowing their human masters, and an earth government that doesn't give a poo poo about the psychological health of their military personnel.

Exosquad was pretty great. I'd go for a Mighty Max film. That series's end was pretty anti-climatic.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

I really liked the Wonder Woman animated movie. They were all pretty badass but Wonder Woman got the special gear and went out to whoop rear end. Then they all show up at the end and poo poo gets real.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

I don't like the color of Raph's bandanna. Maybe it's the lighting on the poster but it looks more like violet and closer to Donatello's purple than red. Overall, I think it looks alright! I prefer the simplistic design of the classic turtles in the first movie as I think a lot of stuff these days get over-designed but that aside, not bad at all.

I don't care for Shredder, though. His mask looks just dumb.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

Lest we forget how loving stupid they looked.

They were pretty bad in the third movie. I don't think they even had a torso for Splinter either.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

Rhyno posted:

Plus this guy shows up


"Regula or menthol ;)"

I want to meet Sam Rockwell someday and ask him to repeat that line.

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

Lobok posted:

Ok, so the first one is Nick Fury, and the last one is Black Widow. Who's in the second one?

His name is Ralph and he's going to be the audience surrogate. They didn't put his name up there because he don't matter!

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Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

Travis343 posted:

Yeah I love how just filthy Gotham is in Begins. It's rainy and dank and stained and grimy. The city just didn't feel like that kind of place in the other movies.

It had its own personality instead of being "Oh, it's Chicago." "Oh, it's Philadelphia."

I really missed that in the sequels, as much as I liked them.

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