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The dejected look on his face 45 16.36%
The Kentucky Final Four shirt underneath his jersey 124 45.09%
The fact that Tayshaun Prince hasn't been good since before LeBron left Cleveland 106 38.55%
Total: 275 votes
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Lockback
Sep 2, 2006

Also? Amplitude.


Inside Outside posted:

Also because he's ugly and everyone was sick of that Florida team he was on.

I'm pretty sure this caused Noah's draft stock to fall more than anything. He was projected as a top pick in 06 and then he came out in 07 and everyone was over him.

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Ramadu
Aug 25, 2004

THAT'S our O-line?


mistermojo posted:

Drunk Mamba



Kobe rules. Twitter continues to be the greatest thing to ever happen to pro athletes.

lil sartre
Feb 12, 2009

by Y Kant Ozma Post


WAs this posted
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKbEwB3dfTI

MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


Dunk a l'Orange


Lockback posted:

I'm pretty sure this caused Noah's draft stock to fall more than anything. He was projected as a top pick in 06 and then he came out in 07 and everyone was over him.

06 was also a much worse draft, particularly at the top (well I loved Aldridge even back then, but people were really torn on him, which is how Bargnani winds up going one). But yeah giving people another year to pick apart his flaws (and he had a bunch, he's dramatically improved on offense since he got to the pros) didn't do him any favors.

Niwrad posted:

Reading back that thread most of the people didn't even think he should be drafted.

People didn't think he should be drafted by the Bulls specifically, I don't remember anyone who thought he shouldn't be drafted at all.

kingcobweb posted:

If Andre Drummond put on a mustache and re-entered the draft this year I'd still project him to bust horribly. He had every possible indication of a bust center and he should be a RoY candidate (if he was played more than 20mpg of course).

Yeah, that was a huge miss for me, but I think the vast majority of the time guys with his profile are going to bust pretty hard. I'd still like to see how he holds up over more minutes too.

MourningView fucked around with this message at Mar 1, 2013 around 16:03

peer
Jan 17, 2004

this is not what I wanted

Right now we're on pace for the first season in history without at least one player averaging 20/10.

David Lee, you're our only hope

WhyteRyce
Dec 30, 2001

It's Easy Being Greene

BIZORT posted:

Noah had some attitude problems when he first arrived in the NBA and kind of looked bad. Once he settled down as an adult, his play picked up big time.

I think we all ragged on him for being some glorified hustle player but he had talent. He was a much-heralded recruit and a McDonalds All-American

It wasn't until Noah spent a summer bulking up before he became a beast. Before that he wasn't anything overly special. I remember hearing Hawes for Noah trade rumors and thinking it was a bad deal... for the Kings

Most Sacramento fans wanted to avoid Curry because we got Douby vibes

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

Shumpin'


peer posted:

Right now we're on pace for the first season in history without at least one player averaging 20/10.

David Lee, you're our only hope

Man, I remember when I was a kid a 20/10 player wasn't even considered that elite, since you had guys like Robinson/Malone/Olajuwon/Shaq putting up 25+/10+ in their sleep.

It's funny how Blake Griffin's counting stats have come down (a lot in some cases) every season, while his advanced stats are improving significantly.

Mechafunkzilla fucked around with this message at Mar 1, 2013 around 17:19

escape artist
Sep 24, 2005

Slow train coming

Mechafunkzilla posted:

It's funny how Blake Griffin's counting stats have come down (a lot in some cases) every season, while his advanced stats are improving significantly.

As someone who has avoided advanced stats like the plague, could you explain that seeming paradox to the laymen like myself?

Hashtag Banterzone
Dec 8, 2005


Lifetime Winner of the willkill4food Honorary Bad Posting Award in PWM

peer posted:

Right now we're on pace for the first season in history without at least one player averaging 20/10.

David Lee, you're our only hope

For those wondering, Lee is closest with 19 and 11.1. Followed by Love with 18.3 and 14. And then Aldridge with 20.8 and 8.6.

Lee needs 22.25 per game the rest of the season to hit 20/10. Love needs 21.1 and LA needs 13.2 rebounds per game.

I'm not sure the first two will happen and I'm 100% sure the last one wont.

hitze
Aug 28, 2007
Give me a dollar. No, the twenty. This is gonna blow your mind...


NBA N/V March: Alexey change this face, be happy, enjoy it!

MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


Dunk a l'Orange


escape artist posted:

As someone who has avoided advanced stats like the plague, could you explain that seeming paradox to the laymen like myself?

He's taking fewer shots but making more of them. All of his stats are holding fairly steady from last year though, aside from him regressing a bit as a rebounder.

e: oh I guess his defensive metrics are better, but I pretty much ignore those because individual defensive stats are garbage and it's probably mostly related to the team as a whole improving.

MourningView fucked around with this message at Mar 1, 2013 around 17:35

Hashtag Banterzone
Dec 8, 2005


Lifetime Winner of the willkill4food Honorary Bad Posting Award in PWM

escape artist posted:

As someone who has avoided advanced stats like the plague, could you explain that seeming paradox to the laymen like myself?

Chris Paul is more or less the answer.

INSPECTAH DECK
Feb 15, 2012


escape artist posted:

As someone who has avoided advanced stats like the plague, could you explain that seeming paradox to the laymen like myself?
His efficiency shooting stats are going up, his defensive stats are going up and his minutes have gone down. Also, last season the Clippers had a super low pace although it's gone back up this year.

Witchfinder General
Oct 27, 2007



mynameisjohn
Jan 31, 2007

my tired eyes made the
subway track vibrate


i made the march thread

http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...hreadid=3536186

Ross
May 25, 2001

German Moses

Jack's Flow posted:

BIZORT mentioned yesterday how people thought Steph Curry would bomb, because he wouldn't be able to score like he did in college. Remember how 95% of all posters made fun of the Bulls for picking Noah?

Noah was a weird case. After his sophomore year he was being projected as the top pick, then he seemed to regress as a junior and was generally deemed a reach at #9 in the draft.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009



Bynum probably isn't going to play this year. He has R knee swelling after practice LAST Friday.

Sixers should probably go into deep, deep, tank mode at this point. Bynum is never going to play here as they would be idiotic to sign him to MAX at this point, imho.

Edit

I mean this franchise had the #2 pick crap out on them and then traded for a C who cant play. What the christ.

euphronius fucked around with this message at Mar 1, 2013 around 18:43

WhyteRyce
Dec 30, 2001

It's Easy Being Greene

Noah had big holes in his game which he didn't improve his last year. And he tested out disappointingly in combine drills and in some athletic tests

Also that draft was supposed to be one of the deepest ever

And Chicago already had Ben Wallace and Tyrus Thomas, so it seemed redundant at the time

WhyteRyce fucked around with this message at Mar 1, 2013 around 18:57

alansmithee
Jan 25, 2007

Quit hatin' the South


MourningView posted:

06 was also a much worse draft, particularly at the top (well I loved Aldridge even back then, but people were really torn on him, which is how Bargnani winds up going one). But yeah giving people another year to pick apart his flaws (and he had a bunch, he's dramatically improved on offense since he got to the pros) didn't do him any favors.


People didn't think he should be drafted by the Bulls specifically, I don't remember anyone who thought he shouldn't be drafted at all.


Yeah, that was a huge miss for me, but I think the vast majority of the time guys with his profile are going to bust pretty hard. I'd still like to see how he holds up over more minutes too.

As for Noah, I thought a lot of people liked the pick at the time? Since the year previous, he was projected top 3 after that Florida team won. IIRC it was seen as good value. I think most of the hate came after his first year or so where he looked like garbage.

And I know for Curry, a lot of people weren't sure if he'd be able to get his shot of at the NBA level. That was a big part of Ammo's problem-in college he was bigger, or could outwork people to get his shot off but at the pro level he just didn't have the athleticism and/or wasn't good enough otherwise to make up for it. Fwiw I think that situations like those are a lot where watching the player really helps more than just looking at stats. I also wonder if looking back if the differences between Beasley and Durant would be more evident (since going by numbers in college, they were remarkably similar).

Also I don't know if being snubbed/falling helped motivate him or w/e (I think he was projected top 3 or so before the year), but I remember one of the big knocks on Drummond was his effort level and dude has always looked like he's going full throttle. Hope he continues to develop, since I think he compliments Monroe quite well.

Niwrad
Jul 1, 2008



For those with archives, it's a fun read. Got a lot of comparisons to Mark Madsen. I wasn't mad with the pick if I remember, also not excited. Just figured he'd be an energy guy off the bench which isn't that terrible considering the pick was a gift from Isiah.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...0&pagenumber=19

MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


Dunk a l'Orange


alansmithee posted:

As for Noah, I thought a lot of people liked the pick at the time? Since the year previous, he was projected top 3 after that Florida team won. IIRC it was seen as good value. I think most of the hate came after his first year or so where he looked like garbage.

He went in the same area most people were projecting him to go around draft time, it just seemed like a weird fit for the Bulls because they had no interior scoring at all. Remember that this is back when people though Thomas was still going to develop into something other than a fringe NBA player, and thought Ben Wallace might have something left in the tank.

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Also I don't know if being snubbed/falling helped motivate him or w/e (I think he was projected top 3 or so before the year), but I remember one of the big knocks on Drummond was his effort level and dude has always looked like he's going full throttle. Hope he continues to develop, since I think he compliments Monroe quite well.

It wasn't his effort level as much as his skill level, which is still an issue. He was a lot more raw and unproductive in college than I think people expected.

MourningView fucked around with this message at Mar 1, 2013 around 19:57

pylb
Sep 22, 2010

"The superfluous, a very necessary thing"


Niwrad posted:

For those with archives, it's a fun read. Got a lot of comparisons to Mark Madsen. I wasn't mad with the pick if I remember, also not excited. Just figured he'd be an energy guy off the bench which isn't that terrible considering the pick was a gift from Isiah.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...0&pagenumber=19

This guy was pretty spot-on:

sisonpyh posted:

Noah is a tweener, power forward

Now Villain's Mask, however:

Villain's Mask posted:

I disagree. I don't think he'll be the shotblocker Wallace is, but he will be very good defensively and on the boards.

This guy had some decent evaluations too:

Turn left Dale!! Noo posted:

Yi is a joke and will never be a good NBA player. Did anyone else see him posting up loving chairs in his workout video? Ridiculous.

That said, I hope the Bobcats get Noah-- he should fall that low.

Also, I'll be shocked if the Hawks don't grab Horford with the #3 then trade the #11 for a PG-- unless they feel like grabbing Acie Law here, which would be stupid.

^^^ Big Baby will be a hell of a mid-second round pick. He has the potential to be a solid guy coming off the bench in his first year.

pylb fucked around with this message at Mar 1, 2013 around 19:59

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!


Lot of Bulls fans that don't post anymore. I guess Noah broke them.

ShortThug
Dec 26, 2004

Yay!


Reading through old draft threads is the best.

WhyteRyce
Dec 30, 2001

It's Easy Being Greene

Drummond was saying a bunch of stuff before the draft comparing himself to Durant

WhyteRyce
Dec 30, 2001

It's Easy Being Greene

Kings release Aaron Brooks. Haha fantastic job this season Petrie

I eagerly await the day I don't have to pretend that Petrie had a plan all along

WhyteRyce fucked around with this message at Mar 1, 2013 around 21:10

Parlett316
Dec 6, 2002



Poor Aaron. He just never was the same after his injury.

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Lockback
Sep 2, 2006

Also? Amplitude.


ShortThug posted:

Reading through old draft threads and seeing the terrible opinions of people who think they'd make great GMs is the best.

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