NBA N/V February: what do you mean they traded tayshaun prince

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What makes it? This poll is closed.
The dejected look on his face	45	16.36%
The Kentucky Final Four shirt underneath his jersey	124	45.09%
The fact that Tayshaun Prince hasn't been good since before LeBron left Cleveland	106	38.55%
Total:	275 votes

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nachos: Jun 27, 2004; Wario Chalmers! WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

I hope Bynum rocks the Michael Beasley topknot soon

# ? Feb 2, 2013 13:14

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# ? May 23, 2013 17:41

sim: Sep 24, 2003

Very few people in the media are going to speculate that a player is taking PEDs because they don't want to burn bridges. Simmons' has no bridges except the ones that ESPN rarely lets him cross, so of course he can speculate.

# ? Feb 2, 2013 15:10

So It Goes: Feb 18, 2011

The worst part of that article is how Simmons arbitrarily decides Ray Lewis is, like for sure, cheating while Adrian Peterson is, like for sure, not cheating under very similar circumstances. The difference being, as far as I can discern, that one player is older and he likes him less. Relating it back to the NBA, it's not that I think Rashard Lewis and OJ Mayo are the only people who ever used PED in the sport, but it is dangerous and stupid to get to arbitrarily decide who is cheating without actual proof especially in a position of power the media has. Like, note the circumstances that seem suspicious and ask the player about them if you can, but don't take the next step and publicly call out a player as a cheater because of some circumstantial nonsense.

Have you guys seen LeBron? He is more athletic than the average person and recovers from injuries faster than the average person too. Clearly a cheater until he takes some blood tests to prove otherwise. The onus is on him.

# ? Feb 2, 2013 15:21

nachos: Jun 27, 2004; Wario Chalmers! WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

escape artist posted:

That's amazing. I was reading your post when they just showed it on ESPN in the middle of the third quarter of the LA game, and said "Here's the steal of the night..."

I think he got a clear path foul at the end too

# ? Feb 2, 2013 15:31

morestuff: Aug 2, 2008

I think he did a good job of laying out his biases and pointing out the hypocrisies that come with the position he's taking. It came across as relatively self-aware to me.

The call for action from the president was over the top, but we're only a few years removed from congressional hearings on steroid use in baseball. It's not like there isn't a precedent for political types to throw their weight around there.

# ? Feb 2, 2013 15:31

roundmidnight: Jul 9, 2010

nachos posted:

I think he got a clear path foul at the end too

He did. It was completely bizarre and a dickish move - I'm surprised nobody gave him a whack at the end of the game.

# ? Feb 2, 2013 15:33

barkingclam: Jun 20, 2007

Genderman posted:

Raptors blow out the Clips by 27 points. Best part of the game hands down was when Jonas held the ball to wait out the clock and Caron stole it from him and drove to the basket. Pissed myself watching it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX5KRzJid8s

When I saw that last night, I kept thinking about this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GUeEecp0Y4

I thought Toronto looked pretty good last night and it was a nice surprise to see Gay playing, too. I thought he wasn't supposed to play until Sunday.

# ? Feb 2, 2013 15:54

Declan MacManus: Sep 1, 2011; THREE STAR RECRUIT

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9/1/12-11/10/12}

morestuff posted:

I think he did a good job of laying out his biases and pointing out the hypocrisies that come with the position he's taking. It came across as relatively self-aware to me.

The call for action from the president was over the top, but we're only a few years removed from congressional hearings on steroid use in baseball. It's not like there isn't a precedent for political types to throw their weight around there.

There's precedent for government oversight of sports but it's still a really really silly idea

# ? Feb 2, 2013 16:03

WEREWAIF: Mar 24, 2008; Thats me just lookin up how do you like that noobie I bet you love it you little weirdo

morestuff posted:

I think he did a good job of laying out his biases and pointing out the hypocrisies that come with the position he's taking. It came across as relatively self-aware to me.

The call for action from the president was over the top, but we're only a few years removed from congressional hearings on steroid use in baseball. It's not like there isn't a precedent for political types to throw their weight around there.

I just don't understand why it matters to him, or anyone.

We expect basketball players to do the inhuman, to play 82+ games a year and produce, to stay healthy, when the limits of the human body, explicitly cross sectional bone density, means that those big tall men are putting loads on their body that just can't be sustained without lots of trauma.

Steroids and HGH let players be as superhuman as marketing says they are or should be. So we should let them take whatever their doctors put in them. Bodybuilders posting on internet forums and the Chinese olympic team are pushing human potential forward by experimenting on themselves. Pro athletes get paid enough to take those risks. I want everybody to be Lebron James through the use of injectable chemicals.

For what its worth I posted my first ever comment on espn on a Henry Abbot "PEDS COULD BE IN NBA RIGHT NOW!!!!!!" scare article. The only response was some guy saying, "Are you crazy, that's CHEATING!" But isn't Lebron James's incredible genetic gift an unfair advantage? Let's allow nba players to be f-1 freaks they were born to be! Go steroids! Go testosterone! Go HGH!

# ? Feb 2, 2013 17:09

Ross: May 25, 2001; German Moses

I'm not sure what's going on here but I thought it was a cool photo:

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# ? Feb 2, 2013 17:12

roundmidnight: Jul 9, 2010

Nate looks like basketball Jesus and Brook Lopez looks like a suffering martyr.

Pretty indicative of the current state of the NBA.

# ? Feb 2, 2013 17:14

Blimpkin: Dec 28, 2003; World's Greatest #1 Son

Ross posted:

I'm not sure what's going on here but I thought it was a cool photo:

I used MSPaint to break down the play for you

If Nate Robinson ever tears an ACL I'll be so sad.

# ? Feb 2, 2013 17:28

hitze: Aug 28, 2007; Give me a dollar. No, the twenty. This is gonna blow your mind...

Bradley Beal has won Eastern Conference Rookie of the Month two months in a row

# ? Feb 2, 2013 17:33

The B_36: Jul 10, 2012

morestuff posted:

I think he did a good job of laying out his biases and pointing out the hypocrisies that come with the position he's taking. It came across as relatively self-aware to me.

The call for action from the president was over the top, but we're only a few years removed from congressional hearings on steroid use in baseball. It's not like there isn't a precedent for political types to throw their weight around there.

There's a reason the US Congress has an overall approval rating in the teens, and wasting their time on stuff that is insignificant to the smooth operation of a country is pretty high on the list. Obama is pretty smart to stay out of it, it should be beneath the notice of the President tbh.

# ? Feb 2, 2013 17:34

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; And now the whole nation - pulpit and all - will take up the war-cry, and shout itself hoarse, and mob any honest man who ventures to open his mouth; and presently such mouths will cease to open.

I think steroids are one of those things where most of our viewpoints are a bit detached by posting on an internet forum all the time. None of us here care about steroids and anyone who does has probably had the viewpoint beaten out of them or they've stopped caring due to being tired of cyclical arguments.

I think it matters a lot to real world people, unfortunately.

# ? Feb 2, 2013 17:52

Bruce Ivins: Aug 7, 2008

I've had friends who argue against PEDs with arguments like "I could be making millions to play a kid's game if I had access to PEDs too." I think obviously that's an asinine argument; even if Kobe Bryant or LeBron James is on steroids or w/e, I think they would still be top players without them. I think it is indicative of the kind of transparency we need, though, to dispel these sorts of myths. A lot of people still think steroids are some magic pill you take and just sprout muscles and don't realize that you still do need to put in the effort.

Now while I also don't think PEDs would get my friends into the NBA nor do I think it would change who the superstars in the league are, if they are widespread as we are sometimes led to believe it could have a pretty big impact on players who are on the fringe of making a roster. If I'm a guy who is clean and gets cut for the 15th roster slot in lieu of some guy who it comes out was on PEDs, I'd be pretty pissed. Whether the PEDs really gave the other guy enough of an advantage over me or not though would still probably be an impossible-to-answer "what if?"

I don't think the PED debate should be about going on witch hunts and trying to preserve the historical records or anything. It should really just be about transparency. Not just in terms of who is on what, but also what are the actual advantages gained, what specifically is acceptable or not, and why? The line between "modern medicine" and "PEDs" does seem like a really intriguing question to ask, and the current answers to said question seem completely arbitrary.

# ? Feb 2, 2013 17:52

pylb: Sep 22, 2010; ^{"The superfluous, a very necessary thing"}

Ross posted:

I'm not sure what's going on here but I thought it was a cool photo:

I love the look on Deng's face.

This would make a little more sense though:

# ? Feb 2, 2013 17:53

Declan MacManus: Sep 1, 2011; THREE STAR RECRUIT

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9/1/12-11/10/12}

Nate Robinson attempting a floater from 12 feet out while Brook Lopez attempts to swat it out of bounds
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# ? Feb 2, 2013 17:59

WEREWAIF: Mar 24, 2008; Thats me just lookin up how do you like that noobie I bet you love it you little weirdo

Bruce Ivins posted:

I've had friends who argue against PEDs with arguments like "I could be making millions to play a kid's game if I had access to PEDs too." I think obviously that's an asinine argument; even if Kobe Bryant or LeBron James is on steroids or w/e, I think they would still be top players without them. I think it is indicative of the kind of transparency we need, though, to dispel these sorts of myths. A lot of people still think steroids are some magic pill you take and just sprout muscles and don't realize that you still do need to put in the effort.

Now while I also don't think PEDs would get my friends into the NBA nor do I think it would change who the superstars in the league are, if they are widespread as we are sometimes led to believe it could have a pretty big impact on players who are on the fringe of making a roster. If I'm a guy who is clean and gets cut for the 15th roster slot in lieu of some guy who it comes out was on PEDs, I'd be pretty pissed. Whether the PEDs really gave the other guy enough of an advantage over me or not though would still probably be an impossible-to-answer "what if?"

I don't think the PED debate should be about going on witch hunts and trying to preserve the historical records or anything. It should really just be about transparency. Not just in terms of who is on what, but also what are the actual advantages gained, what specifically is acceptable or not, and why? The line between "modern medicine" and "PEDs" does seem like a really intriguing question to ask, and the current answers to said question seem completely arbitrary.

That's a very good point. The average person who sees peds as cheating wants the game to be fair. Transparency would make it clear who gains from what. The data from the East German olympic teams showed that steroids only produced marginal gains in adult men, but professional sports is built on players with marginal advantages becoming superstars.

Teams that boast about their training staffs could get exclusive contracts with the best performance enhancement doctors and become more attractive destinations.

I'm excited for David Sterns upcoming real and not imaginary announcement, where he'll declare Rashard Lewis to be a martyr and all peds as legal in the nba, the start of a full biological passport program, and the scrapping of prohibitions on marijuana. I wonder if I could replace Billy Hunter.

# ? Feb 2, 2013 18:07

Blinkman987: Jul 10, 2008; Gender roles guilt me into being fat.

roundmidnight posted:

He did. It was completely bizarre and a dickish move - I'm surprised nobody gave him a whack at the end of the game.

It's bizarre for sure, but I think it's only a dick move if you're up in the blowout. If you're down, it's hilarious.

I wonder if people don't hard foul Caron becsuse he's been to jail so many times as a teen for drug dealing. Do guys like SJax get treated differently when fouled because other players know that they're willing to "go there" if things turn sour?

# ? Feb 2, 2013 18:54

hitze: Aug 28, 2007; Give me a dollar. No, the twenty. This is gonna blow your mind...

It's still a pretty dick move bud

# ? Feb 2, 2013 18:58

Blinkman987: Jul 10, 2008; Gender roles guilt me into being fat.

hitze posted:

It's still a pretty dick move bud

It's a dick move, but also funny in the same way Westbrook blocking the Nuggets's mascot is funny.

# ? Feb 2, 2013 19:12

roundmidnight: Jul 9, 2010

Blinkman987 posted:

It's a dick move, but also funny in the same way Westbrook blocking the Nuggets's mascot is funny.

That one is a little more understandable to try to have some (mean) fun at the fans' expense, bear-bait them a bit and get everyone involved in the game.

This is just kind of puzzling. Like, what did Caron try to accomplish here? He looks way dumber than Valanciunas.

# ? Feb 2, 2013 19:20

The B_36: Jul 10, 2012

roundmidnight posted:

That one is a little more understandable to try to have some (mean) fun at the fans' expense, bear-bait them a bit and get everyone involved in the game.

This is just kind of puzzling. Like, what did Caron try to accomplish here? He looks way dumber than Valanciunas.

The refs look just as dumb for actually calling a foul on the play. I mean, why bother? Especially a "clear path" call.

# ? Feb 2, 2013 19:55

UnfurledSails: Sep 1, 2011; Our aim is to play together, to have a color and a name, and to beat the teams outside of Turkey.

The B_36 posted:

The refs look just as dumb for actually calling a foul on the play. I mean, why bother? Especially a "clear path" call.

Being a referee sucks. Not only people unreasonably expect you to get every call right, you can even get flak for calling a foul correctly.

# ? Feb 2, 2013 20:01

hitze: Aug 28, 2007; Give me a dollar. No, the twenty. This is gonna blow your mind...

Randy Wittman is really loving dumb
http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/...y-wittman-coach

quote:

Via Michael Lee:

"We stopped throwing the ball inside and you've got to know that feel of the game," Coach Randy Wittman said. "Things aren't going a certain way, you've got to combat that. We went away from playing inside-out and just took perimeter shots. That hurt us."

I found that strange because this is what I said in my recap last night:

The Wizards still kept pounding away without enough weakside movement. Nene and [Emeka] Okafor are not going to score consistently against this Grizzlies frontcourt. Something else was definitely needed, because the more the Wizards went into the post, the more confused their other five players were and the worse their passes ended up being.

What can we make of these discrepancies? I ended up going back and watching every single second-half possession on MySynergySports.com. According to my count, the Wizards had 38 half-court possessions last night (i.e. taking out offensive rebounds and transition plays). The ball went into the post on 22 of those 38 possessions, and the Wizards ultimately scored on nine of those 22 plays.*

# ? Feb 2, 2013 20:12

SeannieDarko: Jan 28, 2005

hitze posted:

It's still a pretty dick move bud

I found it to be hilarious and I watched it like 5 times.

You're that guy that doesn't appreciate a good dunk, aren't you?

# ? Feb 2, 2013 22:04

Genderman: Jan 17, 2013; by Y Kant Ozma Post

SeannieDarko posted:

I found it to be hilarious and I watched it like 5 times.

You're that guy that doesn't appreciate a good dunk, aren't you?

I find it hilarious still and I've thought about it every second today

# ? Feb 2, 2013 22:39

Gobias Ind.: Apr 5, 2007; And despite what I might say, I measure pleasure by the pain

It can be funny and still be a dick move. And it is, in fact, both of those things.

# ? Feb 2, 2013 23:07

mks5000: Dec 7, 2011

I was fooling around with the trade machine just now and realized that Courtney Lee and Jamal Crawford signed the same exact deal with offseason.

That seems insane to me, giving how good Crawford has been.

# ? Feb 2, 2013 23:58

Zogo: Jul 29, 2003

Stat of the day. Triple base-8: Kobe had three straight 8/8/8 games earlier last week. Jason Kidd did this six straight games in 1999 and Magic Johnson did it eight straight in 1988.

Here's the leaders (pts/reb/ast that is): http://www.basketball-reference.com...l=&order_by=pts

Single-season leaders: http://www.basketball-reference.com...l=&order_by=pts

Mornacale posted:

Blood testing, on the other hand, is invasive and adversarial.

Why is it invasive and adversarial? Couldn't running an array of blood tests be construed as being for the players health too?

# ? Feb 3, 2013 00:00

escape artist: Sep 24, 2005; Slow train coming

I don't know if it's a dick move or not because frankly, I don't really care... What I do know, is that it is hilarious.

# ? Feb 3, 2013 00:04

EMC: Aug 17, 2004

mks5000 posted:

I was fooling around with the trade machine just now and realized that Courtney Lee and Jamal Crawford signed the same exact deal with offseason.

That seems insane to me, giving how good Crawford has been.

Is it just me or has Jamal been pretty much the same as every other year? He went on a two week tear earlier in the year but he looks like regular Jamal out there

# ? Feb 3, 2013 00:12

BrandNew: May 16, 2007; Get me my BLUE WINDBREAKER!

EMC posted:

Is it just me or has Jamal been pretty much the same as every other year? He went on a two week tear earlier in the year but he looks like regular Jamal out there

Yep, he is still just a merciless chucker who started the season hot and returned to his normal self.

# ? Feb 3, 2013 00:27

hitze: Aug 28, 2007; Give me a dollar. No, the twenty. This is gonna blow your mind...

Sweet. Jesus.

# ? Feb 3, 2013 00:47

Deadbeat Dad: Jun 3, 2005; Monarchy Moneyball.

So the Orlando Magic are on pace to break the "Lowest free throw attempts by a team" for a year by 400 free throws

# ? Feb 3, 2013 01:34

hitze: Aug 28, 2007; Give me a dollar. No, the twenty. This is gonna blow your mind...

Shots fired I guess

# ? Feb 3, 2013 01:57

R.D. Mangles: Jan 10, 2004

We move ever-closer to an NBA dress code mandating one-piece silver jumpsuits like people wear in the 1960s future.

# ? Feb 3, 2013 02:00

IcePhoenix: Sep 18, 2005; There is no future. There is no past. Do you see? Time is simultaneous, an intricately structured jewel that humans insist on viewing one edge at a time, when the whole design is visible in every facet.

Deadbeat Dad posted:

So the Orlando Magic are on pace to break the "Lowest free throw attempts by a team" for a year by 400 free throws

that's ridiculous

# ? Feb 3, 2013 02:07

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# ? May 23, 2013 17:41

R.D. Mangles: Jan 10, 2004

Cross-posting this from the journalism thread. [Read this article by Dartmouth legend Flinder Boyd about playing against Smush Parker with the fate of the Greek economy in the balance.
http://theclassical.org/articles/wh...saved-the-world

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