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Most hated man in basketball This poll is closed. |
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| Bo Ryan |
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26 | 23.01% |
| Pat Forde |
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14 | 12.39% |
| Tom Crean |
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15 | 13.27% |
| Rick Pitino |
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18 | 15.93% |
| Are you sure it's not Bo Ryan? |
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40 | 35.40% |
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Players should be able to go straight to the NBA. Make your money, kids. Your bodies don't last forever.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 17:01 |
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RIVALS!!!!! 
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| # ? May 24, 2013 17:53 |
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Peanut President posted:Considering that 99% of guys who go pro end up without a career or money in a decade, making them get an education, even in something stupid like phys ed, would be better than turning them loose at age 19. They are adults.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 17:08 |
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One of the reasons behind the rule change had to do with the NBA legalizing zone defense and realizing high school players were deficient in knowing how to play zone. I also think the owners drafting rules to protect themselves from their own stupidity because Jordan was dumb enough to draft Kwame Brown is a bullshit reason to force someone to go to college when they are not interested. Most of the kids set on being one and done don't even bother going to class in the spring semester.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 17:16 |
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Frot Lesnar posted:N: Just when we thought the season was salvageable... 
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 17:17 |
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Regnevelc posted:They are adults. If someone is good enough to make a living playing basketball in the NBA, no one should be able to stop him.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 17:19 |
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The baseball rule strikes me as every bit as unfair and arbitrary. If a guy exceeds expectations in his first year and becomes a viable first round pick (or runs into an unexpected financial situation where he'd be better off leaving early), I don't know why he should be prevented from pursuing that opportunity.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 17:41 |
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MourningView posted:It's more that I am not a bad person. Except it benefits both the NBA and the college game to not have that happen and this is a game designed for the purposes of entertainment and to make money. It isn't designed to give players the best get-rich path possible. You act like this rule is designed to exploit children but they don't have to play basketball. It's a freaking game. You can go to Europe and make money playing this game if you're good enough I don't understand how we're supposed to only care about the well being of a select group of players like all the other people involved in the game are some kind of money-grubbing fat cats. They're people too. If it is better for the league and better for the colleges and better for the fans and has the added benefit of giving players an education I think that outweighs the possibility of a freak injury happening. You can declare for the draft and break your leg playing pick-up games before you're drafted, injuries are random and they actually rarely happen. But I guess I'm a bad person for wanting the best for the league as opposed to ensuring a small group of players have a better chance of getting guaranteed millions. Up next, my rebuttal to tennis players and golf players.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 17:44 |
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If kids don't want to go to college and want to get paid playing basketball, go play in Europe, Asia, the D-League. If kids want to get more exposure (which might pay off in a year in a higher draft choice which would mean more money, or you get exposed as Not As Good As Expected) go to college and play for a year. I don't see NBA teams because instead of making the D League more attractive (actually pay players semi decently, work with TV stations to give them exposure), they're perfectly OK with using the NCAA as a testing ground to see how good/bad players are. Hey, doesn't cost NBA owners anything, why change it?
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 17:56 |
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The education thing is such bullshit. NCAA sports as currently constructed are not set up in a way that is conducive to giving players a real education, and it's dumb to pretend otherwise. If you want to put this in and incorporate serious educational standards and restrictions on practice time then maybe we can talk. You can still have college basketball with guys leaving early, or skipping school altogether. It happened for years. Things did not suddenly collapse, and the NCAA tournament continued to be an awesome event that drew huge ratings and made everyone involved a shitload of money. This isn't an NCAA thing anyway though, it's coming from the NBA. I just don't agree with their reasoning. Ideally they'd dump it and build up the D-league as a viable minor league system like baseball has but of course that will never happen.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 18:10 |
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It is intellectually dishonest to say someone can just play internationally if they are prevented from going to the NBA and treat them like they are in any way similar. You are comparing shooting a bullet with throwing it. e: Also the NBA reports the average NBDL salary is $27,000 to $40,000 but NPR did research that showed it is $12,000 to $24,000. We should also talk about how the NBDL makes it counter intuitive to win because as soon as your players do well they get called up but that's another bag. Frot Lesnar fucked around with this message at Feb 13, 2013 around 18:15 |
| # ? Feb 13, 2013 18:12 |
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I don't think there's anything they can really do to the D-League to make anyone give a poo poo about it at all unless college ball just disappeared.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 18:19 |
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sportsgenius86 posted:I don't think there's anything they can really do to the D-League to make anyone give a poo poo about it at all unless college ball just disappeared. It doesn't need to be anywhere near as popular as college basketball to break even and gain some viewership. All they need to do is market it and promote it. The comparison point would be minor-league baseball. It doesn't need to ever be on TV(though it would likely continue to be on NBATV once every blue moon) or even be very well attended to make enough money to pay for its operating expenses and raise player salaries. The goal wouldn't ever be to compete with college basketball.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 18:35 |
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I don't even understand why the "its what's best for college basketball" argument for keeping players around isn't just laughed off every single time. These are human beings we're talking about. They have lives, they have bodies, they have wants and desires. If their want and desire is to go straight to the NBA, and they have the skills as determined by the NBA to do so and would be drafted, how on earth can anyone have the gall to say to that person "I won't allow you to do what you have been deemed capable of doing and making tons of cash and doing what it is you've dreamed of being able to do for the overwhelming majority of your existence because it will lessen my enjoyment of a game". That's what that argument is. You want human beings who by all accounts can play at the highest level and get paid accordingly to not be allowed to do so for your own amusement. These aren't gladiatorial games where we run out slaves to fight for our amusement instead of treating them like humans.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 18:43 |
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Nerlens Noel tore his ACL and is done for the season and likely will miss the non conference portion of next season if he returns.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 18:45 |
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Nerlens tore his ACL, out for the year. 6-8 months recovery time. gently caress the world.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 18:46 |
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That is terrible news. Hopefully he can regain some mobility in time for the draft, which would probably be enough to keep him in the lottery.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 18:47 |
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Fisticuffs posted:It doesn't need to be anywhere near as popular as college basketball to break even and gain some viewership. All they need to do is market it and promote it. The comparison point would be minor-league baseball. It doesn't need to ever be on TV(though it would likely continue to be on NBATV once every blue moon) or even be very well attended to make enough money to pay for its operating expenses and raise player salaries. The goal wouldn't ever be to compete with college basketball. I think the ballpark experience is a large factor in why people go to minor league baseball games, as well as the fact that working up through the system is a known part of becoming a baseball star. There's really no comparable experience with D-League ball and everyone already knows that, at best, the guy you're watching in this crappy empty gym could blossom into a roleplayer. Anyone worth a poo poo is in the NBA and everyone already knows this, so it would be an extremely hard thing to overcome.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 18:49 |
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stimpy posted:Nerlens tore his ACL, out for the year. 6-8 months recovery time. This is exactly why the 1 and done rule is dumb, kid should have been playing in the NBA this year. I absolutely hate the rule but I wouldn't be opposed to a system where you choose NBA or college and then have to make a commitment to stay for at least two years or something of the sort.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 18:49 |
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Frot Lesnar posted:Also the NBA reports the average NBDL salary is $27,000 to $40,000 but NPR did research that showed it is $12,000 to $24,000. We should also talk about how the NBDL makes it counter intuitive to win because as soon as your players do well they get called up but that's another bag. Why did you write the last part of your sentence? It's counter-intuitive for minor league baseball teams to win too, but no one protested at holding Mike Trout back. The NBA D-League is only getting better and more viable as the years go on, and perhaps one day that might actually hurt college basketball. Until then, there are lots of reasons to choose college basketball beyond academics, especially if you are a college athlete. (Joke goes here about players choosing Kentucky.)
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 18:49 |
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stimpy posted:Nerlens tore his ACL, out for the year. 6-8 months recovery time. Excited to read the CatsPause thread on "Should we rush Nerlens back for the NCAA Tournament?!??"
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 18:50 |
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Rad Valtar posted:This is exactly why the 1 and done rule is dumb, kid should have been playing in the NBA this year. Actually, Noel would probably have been eaten alive if he were playing in the NBA up to this point
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 18:51 |
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LARGE THE HEAD posted:Why did you write the last part of your sentence? It's counter-intuitive for minor league baseball teams to win too, but no one protested at holding Mike Trout back. I have a number of friends who worked in the D-League as players and coaches and every single coach says it is the absolute worst league they have ever been in because of roster flux, lovely towns to travel to and bad accommodations. There were absolutely people furious that Mike Trout was held back as long as he was and Dom Brown is another player who has been hotly debated for other reasons although I admit they may be the exception rather than the rule.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 18:53 |
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Declan MacManus posted:Actually, Noel would probably have been eaten alive if he were playing in the NBA up to this point So he would have been on the bench learning how to play in the NBA? That would have been so much worse than tearing his ACL.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 18:56 |
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The first complaint about the D-League could be easily helped if the NBA would allow for expanded rosters; strangely, it has yet to do this, but it probably ought to. The other two points simply cannot be helped. The quality of play can definitely improve (it has already come so far) but when you remember that the rabbit hole goes really far down in Europe and there are awful pros in third-division leagues in decidedly non-basketball countries, the D-League doesn't look so bad. And also, NBA teams pay attention now, in large part because they are mandated to do so.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 18:57 |
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Declan MacManus posted:Actually, Noel would probably have been eaten alive if he were playing in the NBA up to this point So? No reason for him not to be able to develop for the Bobcats and make a poo poo ton of cash doing so.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 18:59 |
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Declan MacManus posted:Actually, Noel would probably have been eaten alive if he were playing in the NBA up to this point probably 90% of the NBA draft picks don't contribute in the first season anyway. The draft, even with the one and done rule is still almost entirely off of potential, not instant impact.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 19:01 |
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I wasn't saying that he should or shouldn't be in the NBA, just that he was learning and developing in the NCAA (since he wouldn't be receiving the minutes in the NBA that he was with Kentucky). He should have a choice in the matter but in Noel's case he still had a lot of development to do. Nothing wrong with the Jermaine O'Neal path to success.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 19:03 |
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Declan MacManus posted:I wasn't saying that he should or shouldn't be in the NBA, just that he was learning and developing in the NCAA (since he wouldn't be receiving the minutes in the NBA that he was with Kentucky). He should have a choice in the matter but in Noel's case he still had a lot of development to do. Nothing wrong with the Jermaine O'Neal path to success. So he should have been allowed to go pro out of high school? If he was in the NBA he would also be getting professional coaching.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 19:04 |
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Declan MacManus posted:I wasn't saying that he should or shouldn't be in the NBA, just that he was learning and developing in the NCAA (since he wouldn't be receiving the minutes in the NBA that he was with Kentucky). He should have a choice in the matter but in Noel's case he still had a lot of development to do. Nothing wrong with the Jermaine O'Neal path to success. If you want to play in the NBA the last place you should be wasting your time is the NCAA.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 19:05 |
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Any news that doesn't involve Noel? Too soon...
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 19:06 |
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vacation in kabul posted:If you want to play in the NBA the last place you should be wasting your time is the NCAA. It's silly to say that playing college ball hasn't ever helped anyone to prepare for the NBA, which is what you guys seem to be implying. I don't like the one-and-done rule and I think players should be allowed to go directly to the NBA; I just happen to think that playing with Kentucky has helped Noel to develop as a player. I don't know that letting him languish on a bench would have the same effect. There are some players that are ready to start playing and contributing immediately to an NBA team, and I don't think Nerlens Noel was one of those players coming out of high school. Jesus.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 19:09 |
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LARGE THE HEAD posted:The first complaint about the D-League could be easily helped if the NBA would allow for expanded rosters; strangely, it has yet to do this, but it probably ought to. The other two points simply cannot be helped. Europe is probably the biggest reason the D-League has a fairly low ceiling. There's only so much money the D-League can bring in because it's competing with the NBA and the NCAA for entertainment dollars. European leagues can afford to pay more than the D-League ever will, so the level of guy you would ideally have there would make more elsewhere.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 19:10 |
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@NerlensNoel3: Minor setback for a MAJOR comeback! I love you all and can't thank y'all enough for the prayers.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 19:12 |
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On the positive side, this will force him to diversify his offensive gahahahahahahaha
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 19:42 |
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today's UNC-Duke game will probably not go well for the Tar Heels because we are terrible this season but gently caress Duke all the same Also, someone stole the Duke mascot's head. It resurfaced on a pike above UNC Student Stores.  
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 20:10 |
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Go To Hell Carolina and all but that is a great prank
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 20:37 |
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Joffrey!
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 20:40 |
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To provide a coda to this ongoing saga here is Deadspin nailing it. http://deadspin.com/5984027/nerlens...dium=socialflow quote:I'd like to draw your attention to this passage from ESPN draft insider Chad Ford's analysis of how University of Kentucky big man Nerlens Noel's torn ACL might affect his draft stock (emphasis mine):
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 21:10 |
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So what's the latest on the Ed O'Bannon lawsuit?
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 21:27 |
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| # ? May 24, 2013 17:53 |
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swizz posted:today's UNC-Duke game will probably not go well for the Tar Heels because we are terrible this season but gently caress Duke all the same That loving owns; gently caress Duke. Rivalry games are always kind of weird and they're coming off an awful performance against Boston College, so who knows how this one will play out. (Yes, I'm conveniently ignoring UNC's awful performance against Miami.) All I ask is that the Heels at least avoid getting run out of building like that disaster in 2010. Re: Noel, it's a terrible shame and was really hard to watch (so naturally, SportsCenter kept spamming it last night). I'd still love to see him on the Bobcats, though. RumbleFish fucked around with this message at Feb 13, 2013 around 21:33 |
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