|
Carbon dioxide posted:The Republic is often seen as something on which the American Founding Fathers based their idea for the United States. While it's certain that the Declaration of Independence is based on a similar document that was written for the Dutch Republic earlier, the Republic is not very comparable to any modern countries. It was the first country to be called a 'republic' but that isn't saying much. Wait, that can't be right. Even if you accept that the Roman Republic didn't call itself a republic (Res Publica Romana), what about the Republic of Venice or the Republic of Genoa?
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2014 09:24
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 24, 2024 18:11 |
|
|
It was a federal republic, which was a new institution. The Dutch Republic was a coalition of independent states . . . just like the Articles of Confederation and the later Constitution intended the US to be. While hella oligarchic, it was still a new institution since it had many quasi-independent components working together. Venice, Genoa and others were a lot more unified (even if there was still a lot of noble in-fighting). That's what makes the Dutch Republic so important.
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2014 09:28
|
|
|
 It's interesting to see just how sparsely populated the interior is.
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2014 13:41
|
|
|
Most of Iberia is like that:
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2014 13:55
|
|
|
Kopijeger posted:Most of Iberia is like that: And then there's madrid ruining everything! 
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2014 14:23
|
|
|
Spain is where they filmed a lot of Spaghetti Westerns. It seems like a nice place (like home for me), maybe a good retirement place for places outside of the US.
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2014 14:25
|
|
|
Hey! Just like California!  
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2014 14:43
|
|
|
computer parts posted:Spain is where they filmed a lot of Spaghetti Westerns. It seems like a nice place (like home for me), maybe a good retirement place for places outside of the US. Good enough for Norway to run retirement homes there.
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2014 15:14
|
|
|
Torrannor posted:Wait, that can't be right. Even if you accept that the Roman Republic didn't call itself a republic (Res Publica Romana), what about the Republic of Venice or the Republic of Genoa? None of those are considered the first country to be called a republic because none of those were countries. They were all city states.
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2014 17:22
|
|
|
Carbon dioxide posted:
Mmm, a nice juicy post. This is the best thread, I sincerely thought my question was stupid pattern-seeking but you guys are still able to make reams of interesting info out of it.
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2014 17:35
|
|
|
DrSunshine posted:Hey! Just like California! I remember reading a Krugman blog post indicating that LA's urban area had become more dense than New York's.
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2014 17:37
|
|
|
Modern Day Hercules posted:None of those are considered the first country to be called a republic because none of those were countries. They were all city states. What do you define as a country? A nation state? Is there a reason that a city state could not be considered a country? Especially considering the extreme amounts of variation in culture and language among the Italian city states. This really just depends on your definition.
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2014 17:39
|
|
|
One of my favourite republics is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea: a de jure necrocracy that's a de facto communist hereditary absolute monarchy. 
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2014 17:51
|
|
|
Kopijeger posted:Most of Iberia is like that: DrSunshine posted:Hey! Just like California! The scales are way different, though. To me, living in Texas, fifty people per square km is a whole hell of a lot. And when measuring in square miles, that's something like a 2.5x multiplier. If Spain's low density places were in California, the deep green parts would be very light green to yellow.
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2014 18:14
|
|
|
Jerry Manderbilt posted:I remember reading a Krugman blog post indicating that LA's urban area had become more dense than New York's. How on earth is that possible? Unless by "New York" you mean New York State.
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2014 18:15
|
|
|
DrSunshine posted:Hey! Just like California! Wow! The Mojave desert makes you wish for a nuclear winter..
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2014 18:20
|
|
|
TinTower posted:One of my favourite republics is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea: a de jure communist necrocracy that's a de facto Fixed that for you since North Korea has really diverged from anything considered communist thought.
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2014 19:05
|
|
|
TinTower posted:One of my favourite republics is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea: a de jure necrocracy that's a de facto communist hereditary absolute monarchy. Communist Zombie posted:Fixed that for you since North Korea has really diverged from anything considered communist thought. Very nice post/AV combo
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2014 19:10
|
|
|
Kopijeger posted:Most of Iberia is like that: This is partly why Spain is so afraid to lose Catalonia and the Basque Country. They happen to be two of their most industrialized and densely populated regions.
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2014 19:46
|
|
|
Phlegmish posted:This is partly why Spain is so afraid to lose Catalonia and the Basque Country. They happen to be two of their most industrialized and densely populated regions. Don't forget that Andalusia and Galicia, the other orangeish-reddish areas, are not entirely happy with Madrid either.
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2014 20:21
|
|
|
Modern Day Hercules posted:None of those are considered the first country to be called a republic because none of those were countries. They were all city states. The Roman Republic at it's greatest extent would be the 15th biggest country by area today, how can that be a city state?
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2014 21:28
|
|
|
Peanut President posted:How on earth is that possible? Unless by "New York" you mean New York State. According to Census info, it's true, but its definition of New York City's "urban area", seems to include a good chunk of Connecticut and northern New Jersey.
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2014 22:02
|
|
|
SaltyJesus posted:Don't forget that Andalusia and Galicia, the other orangeish-reddish areas, are not entirely happy with Madrid either. Nobody in Spain wants to be Spanish, is a well known fact in Iberia.
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2014 22:05
|
|
|
Kopijeger posted:Most of Iberia is like that: I could not find a good map covering the entire peninsula, but the population of Iberia was formerly concentrated in the interior - especially in Castilla, which had a far higher population than Aragon or Portugal* - it was only after the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries that the coasts became relatively dominant. The other obvious change from the sixteenth century was Madrid's rise to prominence.  The only area of Spain that maintained anything like its relative density from 1591 is the core of Old Castilla from Valladolid to Salamanca. *The populations of Aragon and Portugal are not depicted in the map, unfortunately. King Hong Kong fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Oct 24, 2014 |
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2014 00:10
|
|
|
North African pirate raids also ravaged the coasts of Spain and Italy in the 16-18th centuries and drove a lot of people inland.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2014 00:31
|
|
|
Randallteal posted:North African pirate raids also ravaged the coasts of Spain and Italy in the 16-18th centuries and drove a lot of people inland. In Corsica too.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2014 00:42
|
|
|
The most over-represented job in each state:
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2014 03:56
|
|
|
Would have thought California's is actors/entertainers...
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2014 04:06
|
|
|
What's with butchers in Alaska? Nebraska I can kind of understand, but when I think of the economy of Alaska I don't exactly think of meat.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2014 04:25
|
|
|
Pakled posted:What's with butchers in Alaska? Nebraska I can kind of understand, but when I think of the economy of Alaska I don't exactly think of meat. [Seal clubbing joke here] Also I'm not surprised about Petroleum Engineers in Texas.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2014 04:38
|
|
|
Pakled posted:What's with butchers in Alaska? Nebraska I can kind of understand, but when I think of the economy of Alaska I don't exactly think of meat. Probably a lotta dudes handling meat for the various mining/oil/etc outposts out there, as well as preparing the fishing catches and such.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2014 04:39
|
|
|
 It's not complete, but it's the best map I could find for a North America vs. Europe homicide rate comparison. Not sure what year the data is from. Also: 
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2014 04:42
|
|
|
Mu Cow posted:According to Census info, it's true, but its definition of New York City's "urban area", seems to include a good chunk of Connecticut and northern New Jersey. In fact, the built-up urban area of New York City is, I believe, the world's largest at 17ksqkm, over twice the size of Greater Tokyo's. But the city of New York itself is far denser than the city of Los Angeles. Also, New York's region can kind of spread out, whereas LA, despite its reputation of sprawl, has pretty much filled its container. It'll have to leapfrog a desert or mountain range to keep that up, so the trend lately is towards higher density.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2014 04:58
|
|
|
The whole of LA is tamed desert, anyway. Although it would get progressively expensive to pump more and more water around if it expands.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2014 08:52
|
|
|
Peanut President posted:How on earth is that possible? Unless by "New York" you mean New York State. NYC is of course much denser than LA when measuring by city limits, but LA has the densest urban and metro areas in the US. Basically, LA's giant surrounding area of suburbia is more densely packed than NYC's giant surrounding suburban area. Denser-than-normal (for the US) suburbs/single family home neighborhoods, is kind of a CA thing. For example, after LA, SF has the second densest urban and metro areas in the US.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2014 16:52
|
|
|
 I actually managed to find this map of nationalist movements in Spain. When combined with the earlier maps posted about Spanish population density, this map makes it hard to not see why Spain views the success of nationalist movements as the destruction of their own nation.
|
|
#
?
Oct 25, 2014 02:39
|
|
|
Rah! posted:NYC is of course much denser than LA when measuring by city limits, but LA has the densest urban and metro areas in the US. Basically, LA's giant surrounding area of suburbia is more densely packed than NYC's giant surrounding suburban area. Denser-than-normal (for the US) suburbs/single family home neighborhoods, is kind of a CA thing. For example, after LA, SF has the second densest urban and metro areas in the US. There is no way the Bay Area is the second densest metro in the US, the entire metro area has a million less people than NYC in it, spread all the way around the bay. The US Census considers the Bay Area metro to have a density of about 1100 people per square mile, NYC metro to be 1874 per square mile, LA is 2650. And if you're thinking of the Census' weighted density measurement, then it becomes NYC metro in first place, Bay Area in second place, and LA metro in third place. Nintendo Kid fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Oct 25, 2014 |
|
#
?
Oct 25, 2014 02:47
|
|
|
Nintendo Kid posted:There is no way the Bay Area is the second densest metro in the US, the entire metro area has a million less people than NYC in it, spread all the way around the bay. Any chance you could link to the data? Can't seem to find, and I am curious as to how other cities compare.
|
|
#
?
Oct 25, 2014 03:13
|
|
|
OddObserver posted:Any chance you could link to the data? Can't seem to find, and I am curious as to how other cities compare. http://www.austincontrarian.com/austincontrarian/2012/09/the-50-densest-american-metropolitan-areas-by-weighted-density.html http://www.census.gov/population/metro/data/pop_pro.html
|
|
#
?
Oct 25, 2014 03:21
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 24, 2024 18:11 |
|
|
 (Gun-related fatalities) https://www.vocativ.com/usa/guns/whats-deadliest-day-week-state/
|
|
#
?
Oct 25, 2014 04:11
|
|