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http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crim...y-gun-range.ecequote:Chris Kyle, a former Navy SEAL who was the U.S. military’s deadliest sharpshooter and wrote the best-selling book American Sniper, was fatally shot Saturday in a double slaying at an Erath County gun range, the U.S. Marshals Service said. This is going to re-invigorate the gun rights debate. I hope it doesn't lead to people equating "PTSD" with "I might shoot you in the chest one day bro."
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| # ? Feb 3, 2013 11:12 |
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| # ? May 26, 2013 05:59 |
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It will.... Obama has already previously said he wants to put PTSD under the NICS refusal category, he's also pushed for PTSD to disqualify you from concealed carry permits. The truth is, some people with PTSD shouldn't have guns, it's a very hard subject to draw a line on, after working in a gun shop after I got out I've seen the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly of veterans. Some people truely do devolve (or were) into absolute nutjobs. I politely sat by and listened to one guy go on for over 2 hours about the conspiracy of how homeland security was making mass graves in the north of our state, and buying up armored road blocks, and how the government is drawing up plans to make citizens get tracking chips implanted in their necks , which he proclaimed they are already doing to soldiers. (I must have been sleeping when I got mine) And of course then there are the perfectly normal vets with PTSD who just have a short fuse, and get startled easily. They come in and talk about the new gun they are building and how they plan to do target shooting comps, or go hunting etc. I'm personally pro-gun including assault weapons, but I totally support further mental health record keeping and incorporation into the NICS system, there are alot of people out there who should not own guns. With the murder of Kyle and the nutjob who took the kid hostage after killing a bus driver infront of a dozen kids, its going to bring alot of attention to veterans who own firearms.
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| # ? Feb 3, 2013 23:22 |
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xCROTALUSx posted:It will.... Wow. Got a link? Never heard Obama going on record about the subject. I reemembered the tussle last year between Coburn and Schumer over PTSD adjudication; from what I remember, Schumer slipped something in the Defense Authorization about PTSD being added to causes for denial, and Coburn filed an amendment requiring some kind of judicial authority to make that call instead of the VA (a reasonable request, which is odd considering it came from Coburn), and the whole bill ground to a halt. I know some kind of compromise was reached, but not what (and I'm trying to Google it out.) e- eh, I was part right and wrong- Coburn put the bill removing VA authority to declare a vet incompetent (can't tell whether that's solely for gun ownership or for the whole shebang, I'm guessing just the former) in the NDAA, Schumer discovered it and threw a fit http://www.examiner.com/article/sen...sd-vets-of-guns GD_American fucked around with this message at Feb 3, 2013 around 23:39 |
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Offhand nope, I'll try to dig it up, it was about a year ago
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| # ? Feb 3, 2013 23:45 |
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Would the PTSD disqualification be limited to combat related PTSD, or also PTSD from civilian life?
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| # ? Feb 4, 2013 00:01 |
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I have very mild PTSD (nightmares only really) but I would totally flip my poo poo if they pulled some poo poo like that. It is not combat related, childhood trauma issues (I think) but it was diagnosed by the VA.
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| # ? Feb 4, 2013 02:29 |
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Restricting the rights of people diagnosed with PTSD sounds like another easy way to decrease the amount of people who claim benefits. You know, in case stigmatizing them isn't working well enough.
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| # ? Feb 4, 2013 07:34 |
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Clearly the suicide rate isn't high enough yet. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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| # ? Feb 4, 2013 15:29 |
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Liquid Communism posted:Clearly the suicide rate isn't high enough yet. Congrats on not getting fit in 2011.
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| # ? Feb 4, 2013 16:26 |
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GAS CURES KIKES posted:Congrats on not getting fit in 2011. its p. hilarious to make jokes off of peoples user titles amirite?
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| # ? Feb 4, 2013 19:30 |
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xCROTALUSx posted:I'm personally pro-gun including assault weapons 
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| # ? Feb 4, 2013 19:40 |
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Pandasmores posted:Would the PTSD disqualification be limited to combat related PTSD, or also PTSD from civilian life? It's probably going to have to do more with the person's behavioral history than it does with whether or not they have combat-related PTSD. psydude fucked around with this message at Feb 4, 2013 around 20:41 |
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Pandasmores posted:Would the PTSD disqualification be limited to combat related PTSD, or also PTSD from civilian life? surprise sex victims being barred from purchasing a firearm would cause the weirdest mix of people to side together ever.
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| # ? Feb 4, 2013 20:43 |
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HATE CURES TRANNYS posted:surprise sex victims being barred from purchasing a firearm would cause the weirdest mix of people to side together ever. Gay rights advocates and far-right religious groups opposing the Westboro Baptist Church was definitely up there.
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| # ? Feb 4, 2013 20:46 |
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Pandasmores posted:Would the PTSD disqualification be limited to combat related PTSD, or also PTSD from civilian life? I'd have to imagine it would only apply to those declared incompetent by the VA mental health system for reasons of PTSD, because if a blanket ban were thrown over every single PTSD diagnosis, that'd be an astonishingly stupid act of political suicide. Not that Obama isn't capable of it, but political canniness seems to be his one overriding skill so I'd be surprised.
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| # ? Feb 4, 2013 21:10 |
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 Ron Paul has been getting poo poo for this all day. Confirmed that he's actually running his Twitter account now, too (unlike the "no I never seen them" dodge he pulled on his old racist newsletters from decades past).
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| # ? Feb 4, 2013 21:33 |
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The media does not appear to differentiate between people with PTSD and people who are batshit (and also have PTSD). Being batshit is not a subset of PTSD. Also, many cops would be prohibited from possessing firearms. This type of reporting usually springs up every time an OIF or OEF veteran shoots someone (very rare, and pretty much statistically 0). It happens every couple of years.
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| # ? Feb 4, 2013 22:12 |
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aidsMONKEY posted:The media does not appear to differentiate between people with PTSD and people who are batshit (and also have PTSD). Being batshit is not a subset of PTSD. Also, many cops would be prohibited from possessing firearms. psydude fucked around with this message at Feb 4, 2013 around 22:45 |
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Suspect was apparently tazed today and put on suicide watch. He refused to return his lunch tray.
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| # ? Feb 4, 2013 22:46 |
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GD_American posted:Suspect was apparently tazed today and put on suicide watch. He refused to return his lunch tray. I pity him more than anything. The whole situation is tragic.
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| # ? Feb 5, 2013 03:04 |
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aidsMONKEY posted:The media does not appear to differentiate between people with PTSD and people who are batshit (and also have PTSD). Being batshit is not a subset of PTSD. Also, many cops would be prohibited from possessing firearms. I have PTSD. I got into a bunch of fights as a kid because I had rage issues. Then I calmed the gently caress down, and still have periods where my PTSD comes on pretty strong but I've never had a violent incident or anything close to it, because PTSD doesn't make you lose control it just makes things loving suck. There's been some pretty okay reporting on how PTSD can vary widely in intensity and how stigmatizing it makes people less likely to seek help. That's been nice to see. HATE CURES TRANNYS posted:surprise sex victims being barred from purchasing a firearm would cause the weirdest mix of people to side together ever. And for irony, surviving a shooting can give you PTSD, so conceivably you could be denied a firearm permit because you got shot and that gave you PTSD. Anyway, I don't think the Obama thing is any more than a rumor, it sounds like all the other rumors about Obama about to socialize our muffintops and stuff Marx in our pants.
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| # ? Feb 5, 2013 03:31 |
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HATE CURES TRANNYS posted:surprise sex victims being barred from purchasing a firearm would cause the weirdest mix of people to side together ever. It would be, but honestly you can get PTSD from just about any traumatic event, and it can spring up at any moment. I've seen patients that deployed and didn't get anything until like 2 years after they came back, whereas some have had it continuously following an event. This is from non-combat related stuff, too. There's a surprising number of sexual assaults in the military, and denying someone something just based on them having PTSD seems a bit extreme considering that in mass shootings you have to factor in psychosis, among other things, when looking at it from a psychological perspective. You can't just throw everyone with a particular disorder together like you would with a flu.
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| # ? Feb 5, 2013 03:50 |
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Except the problem is that legislation and rules are literally created and enacted by people that go 'i don't really understand this, but i saw someone on tv or in that movie that was ptsd crazy so this is a thing'
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| # ? Feb 5, 2013 04:18 |
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I just googled 'ptsd firearm law' and the only things there are rense.com, infowars.com, and a bunch of fairly batshit forums. So. . .Obdicut posted:Anyway, I don't think the Obama thing is any more than a rumor, it sounds like all the other rumors about Obama about to socialize our muffintops and stuff Marx in our pants.
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Yeah, I've started to doubt anything starting with "Obama did" or "Obama said" because more than usual, it's something that- a) someone on a far, far, far lower rung of the ladder decided in an anecdotal case or b) never happened. Here's the only piece relating to VA declarations of incompetency I could find that were relevant (and it has nothing to do with guns): quote:§3.353 Determinations of incompetency and competency. Coburn's amendment for additional judicial approval, while well-intentioned, may have been counter-productive. I just have no personal experience with the VA procedures for it (nor did anyone at the Vet Clinic when I asked today), so I don't know what the bar to clear is. I'm going to assume, if I don't see anything else, that the PTSD cases they're talking about adding to NICS are the ones declared incompetent and not just a blanket covering all PTSD diagnoses. I know the media isn't exactly on top of veteran's issues, so something that big could conceivably slip by them (and explain why we haven't heard about it), but that's just too big of a club for the Obama Administration to hand its critics without us hearing about it ad nauseum in the usual places.
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| # ? Feb 5, 2013 06:08 |
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Why is it people that survive completely crazy poo poo end up getting killed by something stupid or random like this?
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| # ? Feb 5, 2013 06:42 |
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ded posted:Why is it people that survive completely crazy poo poo end up getting killed by something stupid or random like this? Live by the sword, die by the sword, duh!
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| # ? Feb 5, 2013 07:38 |
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ded posted:Why is it people that survive completely crazy poo poo end up getting killed by something stupid or random like this? Everyone has to die. Some people live through the craziest poo poo, but they still have to die one day, so whatever it is that kills them, is gonna appear as stupid considering their past panache for survival
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Booblord Zagats posted:Everyone has to die. Some people live through the craziest poo poo, but they still have to die one day, so whatever it is that kills them, is gonna appear as stupid considering their past panache for survival True that. T.E. Lawrence was killed in a motorbike crash after helping to instigate the Arab Revolt during WWI and already having survived a plane crash.
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So you may have heard about the tasteless comments that Ron Paul made about Chris Kyle's death. Dakota Meyer tweeted some stuff about how he didn't like that or whatever, but the best part of it is a particular facebook comment posted about it:John Tharp posted:I disagree that ron Paul had nothing to apologize for...his quotation of that maxim of living by the sword dies by the sword was completely and utterly inappropriate. American soldiers live by this "sword" to protect what we as Americans believe to be God given rights. We may live by the "sword" but certainly do not deserve to die by it. I have the utmost respect for each and every soldier who puts on the beloved uniform of our country. And though we all do it for different reasons, most common is that we want to do whatever it takes to defend the freedoms we cherish; especially our loved ones. I know I am not going to put on the soldiers uniform because I want to go out and kill... I hope I never have to take another's life, but I will put on the uniform to defend the rights and freedoms I hold dear. As a ROTC cadet, I look forward to the day I can put on the uniform as a full fledged American soldier. It is an honor to wear the uniform of my country. Who is this dashing go-getter cadet? 
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| # ? Feb 6, 2013 07:54 |
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xCROTALUSx posted:It will.... Yeah, Pres Obama steered clear of anything gun related until the last few mass shootings. It was and is political suicide to speak on gun issues.
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Deathy McDeath posted:So you may have heard about the tasteless comments that Ron Paul made about Chris Kyle's death. Dakota Meyer tweeted some stuff about how he didn't like that or whatever, but the best part of it is a particular facebook comment posted about it: I know some fat looking Joes that are PT studs.
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| # ? Feb 6, 2013 21:14 |
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Hand Grenade posted:I know some fat looking Joes that are PT studs. Obviously this guy is a monster when it comes time for the PT test. He's clearly using the old extended scale, I bet he had the first ever 400 PT score in his ROTC year group. He just looks kinda bloated right now because he's been on a 20 year Carb-Load phase for his future job as an elite special forces ranger delta SEAL, Tier 0 operator. Gotta have a good carbo-load before you operationally operate in operations on terrorists, and all.
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GAS CURES KIKES posted:Obviously this guy is a monster when it comes time for the PT test. He's clearly using the old extended scale, I bet he had the first ever 400 PT score in his ROTC year group. He just looks kinda bloated right now because he's been on a 20 year Carb-Load phase for his future job as an elite special forces ranger delta SEAL, Tier 0 operator. Gotta have a good carbo-load before you operationally operate in operations on terrorists, and all. The fat stores are for energy and retain water for when he's out in the desert for months on end with no food or water.
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| # ? Feb 6, 2013 21:58 |
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Straight up, how many people here actually joined the military to "defend freedom"?
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| # ? Feb 6, 2013 22:18 |
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psydude posted:Straight up, how many people here actually joined the military to "defend freedom"? I can think of one I've ever met that expressly gave they as his reason.
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| # ? Feb 6, 2013 22:19 |
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psydude posted:Straight up, how many people here actually joined the military to "defend freedom"? I hear this from ROTC cadets with frequency.
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| # ? Feb 6, 2013 22:34 |
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psydude posted:Straight up, how many people here actually joined the military to "defend freedom"? I knew a stripper who's stage name was freedom, worked at the doll house in Fayeteville NC..
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| # ? Feb 6, 2013 22:37 |
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I joined to be a stormtrooper and help lower the price of oil. I was just used man, used. It was all lies. Oil keeps getting more expensive.
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Closest I got was a Japanese virgin at my reserve center who signed up right after the Tsunami so he could be a part of the organization that helped his country.
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