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Peanut President posted:

I can't find it but I remember someone posting a list of OFFICIAL NASCAR SPONSORS, and the list was basically every major company that doesn't sponsor a car already.

My favorite Official NASCAR sponsor will always be Combos. OFFICIAL CHEESE-FILLED SNACK OF NASCAR.

What?

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kidcoelacanth: Sep 23, 2009

Ritz Bits got the shaft, man.

# ? Feb 5, 2013 19:22

BMB5150: Oct 24, 2010; Barnhart screwed me, that's typical of him, he's always been a wanker.

The Viagra enhancement of the race goes to Jimmie Johnson by overcoming adversity once again.

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FuzzySkinner: May 23, 2012

Peanut President posted:

I can't find it but I remember someone posting a list of OFFICIAL NASCAR SPONSORS, and the list was basically every major company that doesn't sponsor a car already.

http://www.nascar.com/en_us/sponsors.html

quote:

McLaren Official Partner

...what the hell.

Weird as hell seeing a prominent Formula 1 team featured as a partner within NASCAR. Unless they assist with automotive parts in some way?

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CactusWeasle: Aug 1, 2006; It's not a party until the bomb squad says it is

They make the EFI ECU or something.

# ? Feb 5, 2013 20:34

bigbillystyle: Nov 11, 2003; I'm back you big bunch of donkeys

Danica! posted:

I don't know if that will change anything.

Start and park is a result of a decent paycheck for last place. The goal for start and park is to turn a profit at minimal risk. As long as they make the paycheck for 35-43 enough to turn a profit, it will be there. The only way to fix that is either drastically reduce the purse money at the back of the field or regulate that you have to have certain criteria to start the race. You have S&P teams that are pulled off the track because they don't have a crew chief/spotter/pit crew. Simple answer is to make those positions be vested by Nascar similar to how the drivers must be, and then require them to start the race, if you don't start the race you are not eligible for prize money. That in and of its self won't end it, but its the simple solution to start. Beyond that really the best you can do is require that someone run X% of the race to qualify for purse money. The problem with that is if big teams get caught up in early wrecks, they don't get paid even though they were there to race.

I hear ya. I was just throwing in the prize for epic battle for 22nd as a joke not to fix the S'nP thing. I do think it would spice up those races where the top 10 cars are spread out by 30 seconds and if there were a small group of cars between like 19th and 25th that were fairly equal then it would make things slightly more interesting to see them fight over 22nd for the last few laps.

Cannot Find Server posted:

My favorite Official NASCAR sponsor will always be Combos. OFFICIAL CHEESE-FILLED SNACK OF NASCAR.

What?

As completely ridiculous as having an Official Cheese-Filled Snack of NASCAR is, at least Combos actually partially sponsor a car as well as sponsoring NASCAR itself. They run a couple Combo schemes with the #18 car and I think most of the Official Whatever of NASCAR sponsors only sponsor the sanctioning body and put nothing into the teams themselves.

# ? Feb 5, 2013 20:45

VikingSkull: Jul 23, 2008; A problem has been detected and windows has been shutdown to prevent damage to your computer.

To be fair, most of the associate sponsors you see on car fenders are auto parts and it's the same sponsors that have been on fenders for decades, like Wix filters, Edelbrock, Comp Cams, etc.

None of those would sponsor a car full stop.

# ? Feb 5, 2013 20:49

ch3cooh: Jun 26, 2006; Because second place just isn't good enough

VikingSkull posted:

To be fair, most of the associate sponsors you see on car fenders are auto parts and it's the same sponsors that have been on fenders for decades, like Wix filters, Edelbrock, Comp Cams, etc.

None of those would sponsor a car full stop.

Doesn't Wix sponsor the 39 part time?

# ? Feb 5, 2013 21:08

BMB5150: Oct 24, 2010; Barnhart screwed me, that's typical of him, he's always been a wanker.

Quick little bit of news, now not only will you see the driver's last name on the windshield, the manufactures want to make sure it's a Chevy, Ford, or Toyota so on each side of the name is the car logo. Do tell me sponsors are going to be packed into it.

And for you kidc, Josh Wise's car number changed today to 35, so one more thing to fix.

Also Nemechek's team has allied with Jay Robinson, so nothing of importance will change.

# ? Feb 5, 2013 21:08

VikingSkull: Jul 23, 2008; A problem has been detected and windows has been shutdown to prevent damage to your computer.

ch3cooh posted:

Doesn't Wix sponsor the 39 part time?

Like 7 races since 2009. So yeah, but not much.

# ? Feb 5, 2013 21:11

BMB5150: Oct 24, 2010; Barnhart screwed me, that's typical of him, he's always been a wanker.

Pretty much a very limited role instead of being a primary. One thing I've noticed is less of the DuPont contigency sponsor on calls focusing more on Gordon's effort. Why does NASCAR have to be so much of a money hog, while other teams are having problems getting sponsors?

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Quantrill: Nov 18, 2005

Jimmie does Bob:

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maxallen: Nov 22, 2006; So I learned something.

BMB5150 posted:

Quick little bit of news, now not only will you see the driver's last name on the windshield, the manufactures want to make sure it's a Chevy, Ford, or Toyota so on each side of the name is the car logo. Do tell me sponsors are going to be packed into it.

This logo sure is inconvenient but I do love fig newtons.

Also, I thought for sure purses were put up by track holders. In any case, it seems simple enough to say you get $x for starting the race, $x per lap completed, and $x per position above 43rd. I'd think that would give all teams incentive to run and not screw over small teams at the same time. I went to the pits at Darlington last year, tbqh the S&P teams operations looked pretty sad. You'd see a junky little pitbox and maybe 2 changes of tires, while the major teams had tires all the way from pit box to the garage wall.

# ? Feb 5, 2013 21:28

kidcoelacanth: Sep 23, 2009

Quantrill posted:

Jimmie does Bob:

Stop making me like you Jimmie

# ? Feb 5, 2013 21:36

elmono311: Apr 30, 2007; Every kiss begins with Kahne

Quantrill posted:

Jimmie does Bob:

Still doesn't make me like you, Jimmie.

# ? Feb 5, 2013 22:06

LASTCAR: Mar 25, 2010; I like the drivers
you never hear about
in the cars
you never see
who finish in the position
you never want

BMB5150 posted:

Also Nemechek's team has allied with Jay Robinson, so nothing of importance will change.

Remember, that's the same Jay Robinson behind America-Israel Racing, so Nemechek's money will go farther.

# ? Feb 5, 2013 22:10

CBJSprague24: Dec 5, 2010; Jeff's watching...

BMB5150 posted:

Pretty much a very limited role instead of being a primary. One thing I've noticed is less of the DuPont contigency sponsor on calls focusing more on Gordon's effort. Why does NASCAR have to be so much of a money hog, while other teams are having problems getting sponsors?

DuPont has been an associate sponsor on Kyle's truck for a couple years. The logo usually shows up on the rear decklid.

maxallen posted:

This logo sure is inconvenient but I do love fig newtons.

Also, I thought for sure purses were put up by track holders. In any case, it seems simple enough to say you get $x for starting the race, $x per lap completed, and $x per position above 43rd. I'd think that would give all teams incentive to run and not screw over small teams at the same time. I went to the pits at Darlington last year, tbqh the S&P teams operations looked pretty sad. You'd see a junky little pitbox and maybe 2 changes of tires, while the major teams had tires all the way from pit box to the garage wall.

Wasn't it ASA that revealed in the drivers' meeting prior to a race at Atlanta that they didn't have prize money, causing Bruton Smith to use tow trucks to impound their vehicles until they ponied up the money?

# ? Feb 5, 2013 22:30

BMB5150: Oct 24, 2010; Barnhart screwed me, that's typical of him, he's always been a wanker.

CBJSprague24 posted:

DuPont has been an associate sponsor on Kyle's truck for a couple years. The logo usually shows up on the rear decklid.

I was more thinking of everyone had a contingency sticker stuck on the car. I remember most did, but I may be wrong.

# ? Feb 5, 2013 23:08

Boomer The Cannon: Oct 27, 2011; Gotta see it live!

^Yes.

If NASCAR had an issue with it, they could just reject the car number/team registrations/renewals for the worst offenders, since the teams are independent contractors and all.

# ? Feb 5, 2013 23:09

Peanut President: Nov 5, 2008

The little contengencies are NASCAR programs. You can opt out to not have them, but they're not direct payments, it's poo poo like "made the most passes"

code:

3M                 - Lap Leader
Coors              - Pole Award
DirecTV            - Crew Chief of the Race/Year
Edelbrock          - Most Improved Driver
Freescale          - Wide Open Award (??)
Goodyear           - Series Champion Award
American Ethanol   - Green Flag Restart Award
Holley; JE; JEGS; K&N; Lincoln Electric; MAHLE - Engine Builder of the Race/Year
Mechanix           - Most Valuable Pit Crew
Mobil 1            - Driver of the Race/Year
MOOG               - Problem Solver of the Race/Year
MSD/Simpson/Sunoco - Diamond Performance Award
USG                - Improving The Finish Award

edit: http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-me...-additions.html
edit2: The 78 is the only car I can remember who doesn't run them for whatever reason.

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FuzzySkinner: May 23, 2012

was listening to speedway, and I couldn't stop laughing at how pissed Dave Moody was getting at callers wanting to discuss "Start and Parkers" and who finished last place.

"That's all anyone wants to talk about..not who's the champion! who's number 43?! Who's the worst driver"

LASTCAR had to have started this chain of events, somehow, someway.

# ? Feb 6, 2013 00:49

Boomer The Cannon: Oct 27, 2011; Gotta see it live!

The Penske cars don't run all of them, and the Petty cars don't have the Coors Pole Award.

# ? Feb 6, 2013 01:11

ch3cooh: Jun 26, 2006; Because second place just isn't good enough

Call me crazy but isn't there already an award for "Driver of the Race" and it's called "winner"

# ? Feb 6, 2013 01:12

Scirocco Griffon: Feb 3, 2012

I'm guessing the 78 doesn't have any of those contingency decals because they don't feel like giving advertising to companies that aren't going to be paying them regularly for it. Most of those either have stupidly specific conditions or only pay out at the end of the year anyway and are pretty much guaranteed to only go to the top 3 Chase finishers, so why bother cluttering up your fenders with them?

# ? Feb 6, 2013 01:36

Danica!: Dec 24, 2009

ch3cooh posted:

Call me crazy but isn't there already an award for "Driver of the Race" and it's called "winner"

Winning a race apparently doesn't make you the "Driver of the Race". Which I could see in situations like the '11 Homestead race where Tony wound up going to the back 2-3 times and passing roughly 200 cars to eventually win, say he finished second instead. Tony would still be the driver of the race. Because gently caress, thats some god drat driving. Or you get a guy who was running 20th all race long and either gambles on fuel or stays out during pit cycles and it starts raining. He won, but is that really the best driver of the race?

It really would depend on what their criteria is. Usually the guy who wins can stake claim to that. But there are situations where you could justify giving it to someone else.

# ? Feb 6, 2013 01:46

FuzzySkinner: May 23, 2012

We doing racetube tonight?

I want to watch one of the mid-80's 500s.

# ? Feb 6, 2013 01:50

BMB5150: Oct 24, 2010; Barnhart screwed me, that's typical of him, he's always been a wanker.

Do any of you guys have a good image of just the SASCAR logo. My department at my school is having a t-shirt printing shindig and wanted to show my pride in SASCAR and on the back have "We Put The "Fan" In Fan-Fiction" because you all are horrible with these things unless you can come up with something better/worse.

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Quantrill posted:

Jimmie does Bob:

Jimmie Johnsowns.

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Peanut President: Nov 5, 2008

Someone posted this in the PYF Worst Videogame Music thread:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbZk-Ar6a6w

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kidcoelacanth: Sep 23, 2009

BMB5150 posted:

Do any of you guys have a good image of just the SASCAR logo. My department at my school is having a t-shirt printing shindig and wanted to show my pride in SASCAR and on the back have "We Put The "Fan" In Fan-Fiction" because you all are horrible with these things unless you can come up with something better/worse.

I'll give you the logo on the condition you don't put that on the back.

Not that I can really stop you but come on why would you wear something like that.

Anyway here: http://www.mediafire.com/?n38fdvg9cyslm4c

kidcoelacanth fucked around with this message at Feb 6, 2013 around 13:52

# ? Feb 6, 2013 13:19

elmono311: Apr 30, 2007; Every kiss begins with Kahne

Bruton Smith gets his way.

Jayski posted:

NASCAR to reallocate prize money: NASCAR will reallocate prize money from the last five spots in the field this season in an attempt to make it less profitable for teams to start and park. "We moved prize money higher in the purse, so if someone's intent is solely to run a lap or two and park, the revenue stream shrinks,'' NASCAR president Mike Helton said Tuesday during an "Autoweek" panel discussion in Detroit. According to NASCAR, each position from 43rd through 39th will receive $4,000 less for each position. For example, 39th will receive $4,000 less than 38th, 40th $4,000 less than 39th, etc. NASCAR spokesman Kerry Tharp emphasized this is not a reduction in purses, that the overall prize money in 2013 will increase slightly. He said the money taken away from the last five spots will be redistributed "throughout the remainder of the field.''

# ? Feb 6, 2013 13:47

maxallen: Nov 22, 2006; So I learned something.

Quantrill posted:

Jimmie does Bob:

gently caress you Jimmie I hope you end up a quadriplegic.

maxallen fucked around with this message at Feb 6, 2013 around 13:56

# ? Feb 6, 2013 13:52

bigbillystyle: Nov 11, 2003; I'm back you big bunch of donkeys

elmono311 posted:

Bruton Smith gets his way.

gently caress that guy. As I said before I can see both sides of this argument but honestly are the start and park guys really hurting anyone? They take sub par equipment, qualify it into the field and then get out of everybody's way. I can't see how keeping these guys on the track to run full races will make the racing better. The only way I can see this making it better is if the field doesn't fill the grid for every race and teams like TBR get their way by getting Bruton Smith to get some sponsor to put up the money to get enough cars in the field to fill it out for races at the tracks he owns. That in turn making the team better and possibly turn them into a mid pack contender rather than an s 'n p.

I'm also not 100% sure if $4,000, or $20,000 less for 43rd, will be enough to really make an impact on s 'n p entries but I'm guessing every penny counts for teams who are just barely making it.

bigbillystyle fucked around with this message at Feb 6, 2013 around 15:31

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Peanut President: Nov 5, 2008

At most races, losing 20 large would be about 1/3 of their payout.

edit: getting only 40,000 instead of 60,000 sounds like a terrible amount. It's not enough to get teams to race the whole distance, yet it's enough to kill off some of the smaller teams.

Peanut President fucked around with this message at Feb 6, 2013 around 18:19

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Cannot Find Server: Aug 13, 2008

elmono311 posted:

Bruton Smith gets his way.

This is loving dumb. I'm not a fan of teams that only ever start and park, but a lot of them start and park some races so that they have the funds to actually race others for the full distance. All this is gonna do is make those teams have to start and park even more races to pull together the funds to run full races.

In short, gently caress NASCAR.

# ? Feb 6, 2013 19:16

BMB5150: Oct 24, 2010; Barnhart screwed me, that's typical of him, he's always been a wanker.

Cannot Find Server posted:

This is loving dumb. I'm not a fan of teams that only ever start and park, but a lot of them start and park some races so that they have the funds to actually race others for the full distance. All this is gonna do is make those teams have to start and park even more races to pull together the funds to run full races.

In short, gently caress NASCAR.

So run the Daytona races, Talladega races, Coke 600, and Indianapolis and park everywhere else. Good job Bruton and NASCAR.

# ? Feb 6, 2013 19:45

Personperson14: Oct 9, 2012; "Pussy, money and race cars. That's pretty much all I care about."

Good job Bruton Smith. I always wanted to see a 40 car field in my lifetime.

# ? Feb 6, 2013 19:57

FuzzySkinner: May 23, 2012

http://www.ibtimes.com/10-most-disl...-america-554074

So..Kurt Busch got rated the 10th most disliked athlete in America.

I don't know, I have trouble putting him in the same category as someone like LeBron James. For as much of an rear end in a top hat that Kurt is on the track (and off), I just have a difficult time hating the guy, because, he's not pretending to be anything that hasn't already existed within NASCAR before.

there's always been the guy with the blackhat within the sport. And, I think Busch (and his brother) do a decent job wearing that hat.

I can't speak on how he is with fans, but I would imagine he's decent when he's not around a car. My father actually met Kyle and said he was pretty nice overall.

LeBron? Having had as close to a personal interaction with the guy as you could possibly have, he's pretty phony. Dude has a terrible ego, and is just overall extremely unlikable. I won't go into details, but I'll just say it was so bad that it almost turned me off of pro sports entirely.

About the closest guy to compare LeBron to within the sport is Dan Ica.

I'm shocked JJ didn't make the list in Kurt's place.. He's won 5 titles, comes off as an Android, and overall seems to conflict with what the sport is about.

Again, much like Kurt, I can't speak to how he interacts with fans. Maybe Jimmiebot bends over backwards to sign autographs, take pictures and chats with them like no one's business. We don't know. I do know that by and far NASCAR, IndyCar, and NHRA are the most fan friendly in all of sports outside of (surprisingly) pro wrestlers.

# ? Feb 6, 2013 20:04

LASTCAR: Mar 25, 2010; I like the drivers
you never hear about
in the cars
you never see
who finish in the position
you never want

elmono311 posted:

Bruton Smith gets his way.

I really don't like this, either. I interviewed Nemechek in 2010 and he said even back then the cuts to the purses was making it hard to keep going. Since then, many of these teams have merged together to try and stay afloat, including Nemechek's. Most start-and-parks scaled back to a part-time schedule in 2012. Throw in the Gen-6 upgrade and this bottom-five pay cut couldn't have come at a worse time.

Tommy Baldwin was very lucky to get his team off the ground in that time. Though, as that article posted earlier showed, he's still struggling, his is pretty much the only start-up team from 2009 that has a shot at running full races all year. And even then, he's probably going to have to use the 36 as a start-and-park down the stretch.

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# ? May 23, 2013 06:43

Some Random Asshole: Apr 30, 2006; If the racing thing doesn't work out, Neil Peart can't live forever.

elmono311 posted:

Bruton Smith gets his way.

Aahahahaha NASCAR is so out of touch with the perverse economic incentives it introduces with this poo poo. This just sealed about 3 or 4 teams' fates right here. Hope you guys are ready for some totally rad 36 car fields!

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