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Wicka you have to root for Steve Kinser now:
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FuzzySkinner posted:I'm shocked JJ didn't make the list in Kurt's place.. He's won 5 titles, comes off as an Android, and overall seems to conflict with what the sport is about. One thing to think about, does Jimmie come off as a complete, utter rear end in a top hat? He doesn't. Is he getting himself into dramatic situations like every athlete on that list? No. What Jimmie has done is just win a lot and not create a shitstorm so really no one hates him outside of most NASCAR fans not wanting Jimmie to win. This list is more hate for out of line poo poo they've done, not win a ton and bore us to death. Same can be said of Gordon, Waltrip, and Earnhardt in there heydays when they won everything in site and the crowds would boo them to death.
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BMB5150 posted:One thing to think about, does Jimmie come off as a complete, utter rear end in a top hat? He doesn't. Is he getting himself into dramatic situations like every athlete on that list? No. What Jimmie has done is just win a lot and not create a shitstorm so really no one hates him outside of most NASCAR fans not wanting Jimmie to win. This list is more hate for out of line poo poo they've done, not win a ton and bore us to death. Same can be said of Gordon, Waltrip, and Earnhardt in there heydays when they won everything in site and the crowds would boo them to death. That is true. I just think if you asked "Who do you want to see lose or go away from the sport", I think JJ would top the list over Busch. By the way, when this topic was brought up on sports talk, the co-hosts didn't have any idea who Kurt Busch was, and the one co-host said he had a liking of Tony Stewart because he liked the "CART guys who came over and ran NASCAR. I like him because he was racing when I was covering the Mid-Ohio and Burke Lakefront races" Two problems with that. Smoke has never run at Mid-Ohio, nor at Burke Lakefront, and never ran in CART.
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BMB5150 posted:One thing to think about, does Jimmie come off as a complete, utter rear end in a top hat? He doesn't. Is he getting himself into dramatic situations like every athlete on that list? No. What Jimmie has done is just win a lot and not create a shitstorm so really no one hates him outside of most NASCAR fans not wanting Jimmie to win. This list is more hate for out of line poo poo they've done, not win a ton and bore us to death. Same can be said of Gordon, Waltrip, and Earnhardt in there heydays when they won everything in site and the crowds would boo them to death. Honestly between the two races I went to last year, one of which was that stupid darlington CONVICTED FELON RICK HENDRICK 200TH WIN race there was really not much jimmie hate. It seemed to vary between apathy and liking the gently caress. Junior had more boos.
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LASTCAR posted:I really don't like this, either. I interviewed Nemechek in 2010 and he said even back then the cuts to the purses was making it hard to keep going. Since then, many of these teams have merged together to try and stay afloat, including Nemechek's. Most start-and-parks scaled back to a part-time schedule in 2012. Throw in the Gen-6 upgrade and this bottom-five pay cut couldn't have come at a worse time. NASCAR needs to take more of a hands-on approach to getting teams sponsorship. They don't have to tell teams "You will run this sponsor at these races for x number of dollars", but they need some sort of network to get sponsors to teams, and not to NASCAR/ISCs pockets instead. Something like the career resources office at college, but for raceteams. Of course, reducing costs and increasing purses would help short-term as a bandaid too.
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CactusWeasle posted:They make the EFI ECU or something. McLaren Electronics supplies the standard ECU for F1, NASCAR and IndyCar. They do pretty well.
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Peanut President posted:Wicka you have to root for Steve Kinser now: Did you think I wasn't rooting for Steve Kinser? We're both from Bloomington. I'm pretty sure he knows my dad. poo poo, pnut, it's not impossible that my dad, Steve Kinser and John Mellencamp did some partying in the 70s and 80s. I'M THAT INDIANA
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Boomer The Cannon posted:NASCAR needs to take more of a hands-on approach to getting teams sponsorship. They don't have to tell teams "You will run this sponsor at these races for x number of dollars", but they need some sort of network to get sponsors to teams, and not to NASCAR/ISCs pockets instead. Something like the career resources office at college, but for raceteams. By time you get to a national series like Sprint Cup, you don't need networks for sponsorship. The companies who want in are well known and the teams looking for sponsors know where to go. The problem is the demand by the sponsors (only want top tier teams with a history of winning and a plastic shill for their product), and the monetary demands of the teams. The problem with NASCAR and their official x of Nascar sponsorship that they run is the no competes they include. There are sponsors who want in but can't because of agreements to be the sole sponsor in Nascar. Sprint makes sense to a degree since they are the title sponsor. But not allowing BP in the field because Sonoco is the official fuel is kinda stupid. They made RCR redesign the paint job back when Shell had a deal to hock Penzoil because in Sonoco's eyes the Shell logo was to prominent. Thats the real issue. It isn't so much that they have series sponsors, its that they give them exclusive rights. It would be interesting to see who has no competes built in. I know Sprint, Sonoco and Goodyear do. But I believe there are others. The other problem is price. Teams are requiring 30-35 mil to be a primary sponsor. I assume because of operating costs? What are they spending that money on. Why is it that expensive for a company to be on a car? What are these teams spending that kind of cash on? I won't say that it doesn't cost that much because frankly, its racing and if there is one thing you can do in racing, its spend way too much loving money. Nascar needs to work with the teams and find real ways to reduce cost. Whether its in travel, car building, materials, amount of personnel a team needs at the track. They need to pull the books from previous seasons, and dig into the books for a couple seasons with the gen 6 car and really look at where the money being spent is going and how much of it is waist. The end of last season and really for this season will be expensive as hell because teams need to build entire fleets and get testing done to learn, but once they have the research and they have a fleet built and rotating, the costs should come down. If by the 3rd/4th year they are still spending stupid cash, then there obviously is a problem somewhere.
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Peanut President posted:Wicka you have to root for Steve Kinser now: Does the helmet turn gold and have a shamrock on the side during football season? 
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BMB5150 posted:Do any of you guys have a good image of just the SASCAR logo. My department at my school is having a t-shirt printing shindig and wanted to show my pride in SASCAR and on the back have "We Put The "Fan" In Fan-Fiction" because you all are horrible with these things unless you can come up with something better/worse. Ah, finally, I found it. Here's the image I worked out with devmd01 for SRA's sticker. It's really large, so I'll give you the direct link - http://i.imgur.com/21nd7ru.png
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Danica! posted:The problem with NASCAR and their official x of Nascar sponsorship that they run is the no competes they include. There are sponsors who want in but can't because of agreements to be the sole sponsor in Nascar. Sprint makes sense to a degree since they are the title sponsor. But not allowing BP in the field because Sonoco is the official fuel is kinda stupid. They made RCR redesign the paint job back when Shell had a deal to hock Penzoil because in Sonoco's eyes the Shell logo was to prominent. Thats the real issue. It isn't so much that they have series sponsors, its that they give them exclusive rights. It would be interesting to see who has no competes built in. I know Sprint, Sonoco and Goodyear do. But I believe there are others. NASCAR's arrogance is amazing. "Here, let's take the money from sponsors, give them the right to be the only one in their field in NASCAR, and let teams have at it for sponsors out of a lessened pool of potential sponsors because of exclusivity." Keep in mind that Penske's 12 with Stremme and Brad was red and black with Penske logos because it was supposed to be a Verizon car that couldn't run company logos. I'm sure it doesn't help things when the sanctioning body has rolled out three different cars (Gen 4?, CoT, Gen 6) in the last seven years, which teams had to build only to become obsolete. Also, some of the smaller teams & drivers are taking chartered planes (727s, 737s) from companies like Miami Air to races as opposed to private jets or privately-owned regional jets (CRJs and ERJs to those familiar with aviation). The big example of that was the 737 that got stuck in the grass in Concord last year with Stremme, Speed, and several team and media members on board.
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LASTCAR posted:Ah, finally, I found it. Here's the image I worked out with devmd01 for SRA's sticker.
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LASTCAR posted:Ah, finally, I found it. Here's the image I worked out with devmd01 for SRA's sticker. I already posted one!!! This is WAR.
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I'm still puzzled that NASCAR took what it had in terms of mid 90's to mid 2000's in terms of being a cashcow, and being a great product and is now at this point. They're not IndyCar bad, that is true. But shouldn't they have figured out by now that things like exclusivity and the Chase are bad ideas? NASCAR has the potential to be a consistently good product year and year out. Unlike Indy, they don't have to worry about instability, you got the France family acting as the Bernie of NASCAR, and keeping team owners pretty quiet. You own (along with SMI/Bruton Smith) a possible good 80% of the big race tracks that exist within the US. A great built in farm system, with great talent. Best of all? You have zero competition from other motorsport series.
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Boomer The Cannon posted:Can you re-post the link to your book? I've got 3 bucks I'd like to drop on it. Thanks, man! It's actually $3.99; I hope that's not a deal-breaker - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AXO788U kidcoelacanth posted:I already posted one!!! This is WAR. BRING IT! We'll settle this with a good old-fashioned fanfic competition.
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Will that include the PDF version? I'm a Luddite that doesn't have a Kindle, like Amazon suggests I should...
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kidcoelacanth posted:I already posted one!!! This is WAR. War is over you won kidc, I selected yours, so put the fan-fic away.
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FuzzySkinner posted:I'm still puzzled that NASCAR took what it had in terms of mid 90's to mid 2000's in terms of being a cashcow, and being a great product and is now at this point. It's called trying to beat the NFL. Remember the guy in charge literally wants to own an NFL team over running this series.
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Boomer The Cannon posted:Will that include the PDF version? I'm a Luddite that doesn't have a Kindle, like Amazon suggests I should... I think you can get a windows based kindle reader
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FuzzySkinner posted:I'm still puzzled that NASCAR took what it had in terms of mid 90's to mid 2000's in terms of being a cashcow, and being a great product and is now at this point. Bill Jr died. It's that loving simple. Ever since he died they've pretty much said "What's a good idea? Let's do the opposite." I'd like to note S&P wasn't a thing until the COT "reduced" car ownership costs.
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maxallen posted:I'd like to note S&P wasn't a thing until the COT "reduced" car ownership costs. S&P was a thing since 2004, and possibly before that.
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Fag Boy Jim posted:S&P was a thing since 2004, and possibly before that. Came to post this. S&P came to prevalence when Joe Ruttman was black-flagged for not having a pit crew at last race at The Rock in '04 and, later, when Smoke punted Andy Hillenburg into the racing groove and, subsequently, Jeff Gordon at Darlington.
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Boomer The Cannon posted:Will that include the PDF version? I'm a Luddite that doesn't have a Kindle, like Amazon suggests I should... I'm pretty sure there's a way to read it on your computer like ch3cooh said - unfortunately I've never bought a digital book through Amazon myself. Here's the details on that: http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.ht...ocId=1000426311 In the alternative, I do know that you can download one of several different formats of the book, including PDF at this link for the same price: https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/272178 EDIT: BMB5150 posted:War is over you won kidc, I selected yours, so put the fan-fic away.  It's all good. When can you show us the finished product? I'd love to see it.
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BMB5150 posted:It's called trying to beat the NFL. Remember the guy in charge literally wants to own an NFL team over running this series. Sounds eerily similiar to what happened with the Browns when Al Lerner died and Randy took over. I think trying "not" to be the NFL is the best route to go. That's probably the reason why we as fans came to the sport en mass.
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Fag Boy Jim posted:S&P was a thing since 2004, and possibly before that.
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S&P is a symptom of the unbalanced economics at the bottom of the totem pole. Some are out only to eek out a living on the fat of the land, but most are teams that genuinely lack the budgets to run full time. This is a sponsorship issue, and nascar trying to attack the symptom instead of the cause only exacerbates the hardships that these teams are facing. The money is leaving the sport at the bottom end, and that's never a good sign, canaries and mineshafts and all. Blaming the S&Pers themselves is attacking the wrong issue.
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SRA, what's it like for you as a driver to go against someone is who is kind of a "Next big thing" type of figure like a Logano or a Kyle Larson? Is there more incentive for you to beat them on the track (like an added chip on your shoulder) or do you generally focus on yourself and the race ahead?
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NASCAR is run by rich incompetent shitheads news at loving 11.
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LASTCAR posted:
I just need to buy a shirt, hoping I can just get a plain long sleeve shirt since I need it bad, most of mine are with holes in the elbow since I look bored and tired in most of my classes and hold my head up causing holes. But I should have it Wednesday after it dries up and can take it home.
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Some Random rear end in a top hat posted:S&P is a symptom of the unbalanced economics at the bottom of the totem pole. Some are out only to eek out a living on the fat of the land, but most are teams that genuinely lack the budgets to run full time. This is a sponsorship issue, and nascar trying to attack the symptom instead of the cause only exacerbates the hardships that these teams are facing. The money is leaving the sport at the bottom end, and that's never a good sign, canaries and mineshafts and all. Blaming the S&Pers themselves is attacking the wrong issue. But but but but but but but trickle down 
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dick trickle down
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kidcoelacanth posted:NASCAR 
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FuzzySkinner posted:Does the helmet turn gold and have a shamrock on the side during football season? It is a football helmet. Also stop image leeching nerd.
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Peanut President posted:It is a football helmet. Also stop image leeching nerd. Way to miss the joke about Indiana. If Minto Took was here he'd know where I was coming from.
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I cannot wait til they find a metric fuckton of cocaine in the hauler of this assholes cars.
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PatrickBateman posted:I cannot wait til they find a metric fuckton of cocaine in the hauler of this assholes cars. I still hold to my word that this is going to be Andrea Moda. Just look up them in F1 Rejects and when you get a stupid know nothing partying owner and a pretty crappy team. I can't wait until he get arrested with fraud at Indianapolis. Only thing Andrea Moda had was Roberto Moreno. 
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FuzzySkinner posted:Way to miss the joke about Indiana. Notre Dame got their rear end handed to them by their only quality opponent.
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Boomer The Cannon posted:Will that include the PDF version? I'm a Luddite that doesn't have a Kindle, like Amazon suggests I should... Get a Nook instead. Way better. maxallen posted:Bill Jr died. It's that loving simple. Ever since he died they've pretty much said "What's a good idea? Let's do the opposite." Bill Jr and Earnhardt dying caused these problems. Half of Bill's success was because Earnhardt said something to him and that got the idea rolling. With that said, the CoT was needed to a degree. Not the lovely, can't race part, but the safety research and development. The problem was, they built it for safety and forgot the whole performance thing that you kinda need with a race car. And the common template was a decent theory, it just didn't pan out to be as cheap as expected. Racing is going to be expensive and the real problem is you have people trying to get into the sport having no idea how much it costs. And a sanctioning body who does little to help them understand.
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Doing a few samples to prove my point about S&P's barely existing before the COT (in cup) 2006: Spring Texas: 0 S&P Spring Michigan: 1 S&P (Derrike Cope LOL) Summer New Hampshire: 0 S&P Fall Kansas: 0 S&P 2007: Spring Texas: 0 S&P Spring Michigan: 0 S&P Summer NHIS: 1 S&P (Ward Burton) Fall Kansas: 0 S&P 2008 (First full year of COT): Spring Texas: 1? Maybe (Front Row with John Andretti on lap 263 for "Suspension") Spring Michigan: 1? Maybe (JJ Yeley in Jeff Moorad's car, lap 116, Engine) Summer NHIS: 0 Fall Kansas: 0 Note: I'd say both of those looked like definite "Go ahead and pull in, we're not going to get any higher today" type entries on the finish sheets. I'm not sure you'd call that starting and parking or being a realist. 2009: Spring Texas: 2 Definite, 2 Possible Spring Michigan: 4 (Definite) Summer NHIS: 5 (Definite) Fall Kansas: 3 Definite, Labonte crashes before he can park 2010: Spring Texas: 5 Spring Michigan: 7 Summer NHIS: 7 Fall Kansas: 6 I think we can definitely say that S&P wasn't a "thing" (and by that I mean not that it didn't exist, but there weren't people showing up regularly to do it) until after the COT for sure. Definitely the economic downturn also played a role, but I don't see that salaries or other major sports struggled the same way NASCAR did. I'm gonna blame the COT for being too expensive (and boring) and Jimmie Johnson (for also being boring). E: I want to clarify my argument here. When NASCAR was developing the COT all you heard was (aside from safety) how it would help the little teams compete and lower barriers to entry and improve their situation. Well looking back 5 years later, we've gone from fielding 43 car fields that entirely intend to run the distance to anywhere from a 35 to 40 car field, and the gulf between the Hendricks and Roushs to the TBRs and Germain Racings is much much much wider than it was before the COT. maxallen fucked around with this message at Feb 7, 2013 around 18:46 |
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More or less one problem they had was the field fillers were slow as hell and just a pest so they were running until they couldn't afford it or until Stewart knocked them out of the way. No one has uploaded the 99 Bud Shootout qualifier. I thought McIntyre got that. Whatever. !bmb Yes I will upload that now. Also sometime during the weekend I have the final 2 NASCAR 360s are up and watch that before Speedweeks. BMB5150 fucked around with this message at Feb 8, 2013 around 00:09 |
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