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skasion posted:also Sauron was never a cat. The Book of Lost Tales precursor to Sauron is Tû/Tûvo from Gilfanon’s Tale, not Tevildo. Tevildo’s role in Tale of Tinuviel was later taken (in Lay of Leithian) by Thû/Sauron, but this corresponds with a shift in emphasis from “cats vs dogs” to “wolves vs dogs” Olsen characterizes this as "the role in the story that is later occupied by Thû/Sauron was once occupied by Tevildo the giant cat; it is not that Sauron was once a cat" But one of the things that sort of annoys me about him sometimes is that he does not take an elements-of-drama angle with it, but rather is more English-major about it, focusing on details of execution rather than the big picture; i.e. he does not spell out what that role in the story is. He could say outright: "The story beat that is taken up by Tevildo and then later by Sauron is that Beren is imprisoned and held captive and helpless away from Tinúviel, who has to come and rescue him, which establishes her as an action hero in her own right and on an equal footing with Beren. This is a key part of the story outline regardless of what form the captor of Beren takes" Don't get me wrong, I love the close-reading details and all, but I rarely see an analysis of the high-level drama arc and the components that feed into it as part of various characters' development and what kind of story it's telling, the lesson it's teaching, the commentary on the human condition, etc
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I want to see Sauron the cat pawing at a Palantir
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A red eye, wreathed in flame, blinking slowly
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It's a cat's eye in the movies at least
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quote:So terrible was it that Frodo stood rooted, unable to cry out or to withdraw his gaze. The Eye was rimmed with fire, but was itself glazed, yellow as a cat’s, watchful and intent, and the black slit of its pupil opened on a pit, a window into nothing. Rereading Fellowship, there's a ton of neat details in there that I had zero memories of, it's great.
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Cat Sauron confirmed
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Arc Hammer posted:I want to see Sauron the cat pawing at a Palantir denethor didn’t lose his sanity just from staring into the palantir itself, in truth it was because cat sauron was batting the orb all around barad dur unendingly. it’s not like cat sauron sleeps or anything like normal cats. like getting the spins from VR googles, but you know, dark lord style. you get EVIL disorientation
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Mar 14, 2024 06:28
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"Denethor, please just stop looking through the crystal ball that makes you violently ill" "No."
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Cat Sauron glaring into palantir, chattering teeth at the sight of eagles.
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reignonyourparade posted:"Denethor, please just stop looking through the crystal ball that makes you violently ill" Food 200g Army 150g City walls 800g Palantirs 3,600g Servants 150g someone who is good at the economy please help me budget this. my empire is dying
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Spend less gold on Palantiri
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reignonyourparade posted:"Denethor, please just stop looking through the crystal ball that makes you violently ill" https://twitter.com/kendrawcandraw/status/1498023144325582850?lang=en
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That is a very good point
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Arc Hammer posted:Spend less gold on Palantiri no
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Denethor and Saruman fell to Sauron Derangement Syndrome
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Denethor fell because he spent so long listening to Sauron yell at the Palantir despite his food bowl being still half full.
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Never appreciated until my current read through that even Tom Bombadil had respect for farmer maggot, drat
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This is obvious, but I haven't seen it before: maybe eagles are always saving people in Middle-earth as an allusion to the Exodus. Exodus 19:4 posted:Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself. Context is God telling Moses what to say to the Israelites.
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I'm not sure how Celeborn would count as one of the Trees. Galadriel is light, but both of the trees produced light, and Celeborn doesn't have the same association. It's more the kinship of the Noldor and the Sindar through their pairing. I'm struggling to think if a dichotomy between the two that is applicable to the Trees. He shares his name with the White Tree of Tol Eressea, however. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Mar 19, 2024 |
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In fellowship when they're waiting to have the council, Elrond's sons come back with some info they're only willing to tell him alone. I can't remember, does that come up again?
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Tom Smykowski posted:In fellowship when they're waiting to have the council, Elrond's sons come back with some info they're only willing to tell him alone. IIRC they traveled to Lothlorien and presumably checked in with Galadriel and Celeborn. When the Fellowship arrives at Caras Galadhon they’re expected. Celeborn says something like “nine were to set out, or so the messengers said, why’s there only eight of you, did Elrond change his mind or what” so that Galadriel can be all wise and say that Gandalf set out but did not arrive. It’s a bit ambiguous but I think that was probably the idea.
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Tom Smykowski posted:In fellowship when they're waiting to have the council, Elrond's sons come back with some info they're only willing to tell him alone. I assumed they were acting as messengers to/from Lothlorien during that time. They go to a "strange country down the Silverlode", iirc, which can pretty much only be lorien. Later either Celeborn or Galadriel say something about hearing rumors of the Fellowship's coming and mention messengers from Elrond asking that they aid the Fellowship, but Galadriel/Celeborn are vague. Minor fun fact, Elladan and Elrohir are also Galadriel and Celeborn's grandchildren.
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I love the lothlorien section of the book. It might as well be Doriath
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Ah ya, that all makes sense. I just finished the lothlorien section in my re-read. I enjoy all the elves being like "magic??? This is just elf poo poo, bro"
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https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1782427849900650632?t=dAgrOLcqpo3VBmiWzG-nvA&s=19 Maybe opening the floodgates to licensed works wasn't the best idea from the Tolkien Estate.
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Arc Hammer posted:https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1782427849900650632?t=dAgrOLcqpo3VBmiWzG-nvA&s=19 Can I erect dark satanic mills and ruthlessly exploit the shire to become a pipe weed export magnate
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Arc Hammer posted:https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1782427849900650632?t=dAgrOLcqpo3VBmiWzG-nvA&s=19 looks like a heckin cozy comfy smol game and if u don't like it ur a nazi but yeah why do the hobbits walk like that, they look like they got hosed up hips and also their right leg is asleep
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I'm not philosophically opposed to Shiredew Valley but those character designs are weirdly offputting.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:I'm not philosophically opposed to Shiredew Valley but those character designs are weirdly offputting. Yeah I was thinking the same - a Stardew/Animal Crossing kinda game set in the Shire would be awesome, but I’m not sure this is it
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Arc Hammer posted:https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1782427849900650632?t=dAgrOLcqpo3VBmiWzG-nvA&s=19 You know I'm coming for those spoons
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They should allow you to play as Saruman and put those little fuckers to work.
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Honestly it looks like it gets the atmosphere right, that looks absolutely like the kind of Shire that you'd want to live in and save from danger and keep coming back to if you're a crabby old wizard. I don't know what kind of playability it has though, but I'm hardly the target audience.
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Hobbits were the original cottagecore guys
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YaketySass posted:Hobbits were the original cottagecore guys Unironically this. The visual aesthetic of the Shire in the LotR and Hobbit movies was one of the things that has influenced the whole cottagecore thing in the years since. It's not fundamentally different from the many, many earlier incarnations of the back-to-the-land dream of urban/suburban white folks who think subsistence farming is somehow easy (including a notable vulnerability to Nazi blood-and-soil bullshit), but it's got round doors this time.
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Hobbits, Tasha Tudor, and The Wind in the Willows
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Unironically this. The visual aesthetic of the Shire in the LotR and Hobbit movies was one of the things that has influenced the whole cottagecore thing in the years since. It's not fundamentally different from the many, many earlier incarnations of the back-to-the-land dream of urban/suburban white folks who think subsistence farming is somehow easy (including a notable vulnerability to Nazi blood-and-soil bullshit), but it's got round doors this time. Is it really subsistence farming if you’ve got markets and trades and pipe weed and money and social classes though?
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Yeah Frodo is literally gentry landlord He don’t farm none
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Cottage core people aren’t exactly dreaming of grubbing in the dirt for potatoes either lol. I recently read Hamsun’s “Growth of the Soil” and reread Undset’s “Kristin Lavransdatter” because it struck me as similar in a lot of ways. Both early 20th century realist epics about farming families in Norway. Both successfully make it seem like it sucks rear end, while also somehow being nicely cozy. Hamsun stresses the element of poverty and oneness with nature, his 19th century farmer lives in a sod hut first and needs to scrap for everything because modern society doesn’t respect his endeavor. Yet his primitive virtue and life of suffering and hard work eventually create an outpost of humanity in the wilderness. By contrast Undset’s farmers are this spoiled medieval gentry couple who inherit nice farms and lose almost everything because they have too many kids and are allergic to good decisions, they live and die desperately needing God to redeem their sinful folly. And for one of them he comes through, letting them die in an awful but meaningful way. (The other one just dies awfully) When the Nazis turned up Hamsun became a quisling and eulogized Hitler, while Undset was outraged and went into exile. Idk if there’s a point to this but it struck me as funny skasion fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Apr 25, 2024 |
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