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WrathOfBlade posted:Dan Carlin doesn't sound like a morning zoo crew, but oh man I'd be first in line to listen to a show that covers the decline of the Roman Empire with heavy use of a soundboard and muted hard rock riffs on loop in the background. "And then we get to Cleopatra!" *Audience going OOOOOOO* "And Julius Cesar met her and was instantly infatuated." *cartoon spring noise* and then he conquered her river basin if ya know what I mean--PLAY ME OUT CHUCK! *copyright free soft rock*
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The latest Dan Carlin on WW1 is beginning to try my patience. The guy has his quirks - everyone does - and I largely don't mind. But 3 hours of him thinking out loud on "how do I tell this story?", "how could we ever understand what they went through", "it's like (long and very thin analogy)", with copious amounts of misery porn. However, part of it is probably the subject material. Listening to and watching other sources, there's no escaping that the middle of WW1 is basically 2-3 years of unremitting misery.
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I don't think it's nearly as bad as you are describing it. He maybe returns to the theme of it being an overwhelming story to tell here and there, and sure you're gonna get a boxing analogy every 2-3 hours, but the last show was chock full of history. From Verdun, to the naval battle I forgot the name of, to the Somme, all full of amazing quotes from soldiers, historians, generals, and leaders of the time. Throw in some amazing facts and descriptions of the magnitude of the war, plus, yes, some misery porn (but come one, it's one of the worst shared human experiences in history), and you have what is a pretty drat comprehensive and impressive 4 hours of history. It's really a marvelous piece of work and I couldn't imagine the effort it takes to put together so far a 16 hour narrative of WW1. It's just plain impressive.
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He is saying on his website that the next one will probably come out in December. Seeing how the first one was released in October of last year, and how much research each one takes, this will probably be close to a 2 year project once it's all done. I can't imagine how depressing it is to immerse yourself in WWI for 2 years straight, or how you could avoid the boxing analogy. Looking back, between the Ghosts of the Ostfront, Wrath of the Khans and this, he has spent much of the last 5 years reading, researching, and making sense of the parts of history where the casualties go into the 8 figures.
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Just chiming in to say not that there's a new Hardcore History out (which there isn't) but that The Ancient World podcast mentioned on the last page is actually quite good. The host apes some of Mike Duncan's style and, while he doesn't quite nail Duncan's sense of humor, it's close enough and infrequent enough that it's okay. The information is good and a nice eye opener, especially on some lesser known civilizations like the Mittani and the Assyrians. After he hits 500BC, he does a quick overview of the next century or so of history for those civilizations still kicking around. Then the podcast moves onto a new phase where he recounts the discoveries of significant artifacts that provided the keys to unlock a lot of this ancient history (The Rosetta Stone, etc). Cool stuff. Edit: poo poo, it wasn't mentioned in this thread so who knows where I got the recommendation from. However, anyone with an interest in the really ancient civilizations should definitely check it out. He starts with the beginnings of civilization and intended to keep a world focus (checking in on developing civs in East Asia and the Americas in addition to the near east). And there's some of that to begin with. However, late in the podcast he apologizes for slowly focusing more heavily on the Near East as the podcast rolled on. His excuse is that there's essentially very little recovered written records to go on outside Mesopotamia. So it's hard to go through ancient China or ancient Peruvian civs when all you've got is the archaeological record and some scattered pottery/ruins. Thwomp fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Dec 10, 2014 |
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Anyone listen to the hardcore history extra on the mongols? Worth $2? Steam winter sale is coming up so I could put that toward a terrible indie game instead
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joe football posted:Anyone listen to the hardcore history extra on the mongols? Worth $2? Steam winter sale is coming up so I could put that toward a terrible indie game instead Yup it's fun, if you like HH just buy all the archived episodes.
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uPen posted:Yup it's fun, if you like HH just buy all the archived episodes. Yeah that's what I did. Did not regret a single penny lost.
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What it is about Dan Carlin's Commen Sense that so many seem to dislike, especially given the almost unanimous love for Hardcore History? I don't know if The Young Turks fits the bill for this thread but I'd definitely recrecommend. Also Sawbones and The Bugle for more lightheartedness.
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Eh, he stakes out fairly extreme positions a lot of the time, plus he tends to hit the same few points over and over again. It's not to everyone's taste. Hardcore History is more entertaining, more of a "here's what happened" as opposed to "here's what SHOULD happen" so it's really not surprising that Hardcore is ten times as popular as Common Sense. Personally, I listen to Common Sense when I remember to, but it's not a priority listen for me the way Hardcore History is. And I don't begrudge anyone who chooses to skip Sense.
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When I listen to Common Sense I find myself agreeing with half the things he says and super disagreeing with the other half. I prefer echo chambers so I mostly don't listen to it.
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jng2058 posted:plus he tends to hit the same few points over and over again I like & unfailingly find value in Common Sense, but it's hard to deny his rhetorical style sounds like a crazy person's.
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WrathOfBlade posted:But Dan, what if it was your child? Folks if it's my child who's in danger we're going to Hitler Gestapo World War 3!
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It isn't crazy, I just think it's funny that he's used that argument like 3 times since I've been listening (read: not terribly long).
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Common Sense isn't a must listen for me, but I usually find something in every episode interesting. He is usually spot on about who the really sucky politicians are. I'm thinking about you Peter King. I don't usually find a lot to disagree strongly about, but Carlin does come across a lot crazier than his ideas. Maybe blame some of it on WWI
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I just listened to the Revolutions fundraiser. It's kind of interesting that he's willing to let some rich guy pick a whole revolution for everyone to listen to. Though I want to see where this goes. I'm glad the Haitian Revolution is safe. I also hope he'll cover the 1911 Chinese Revolution and Simon Bolivar's wars since those are subjects I find interesting enough but know little about yet too lazy to research myself. So what other revolutions are podcast-able? Cuban? Iranian? Algerian? 1848? The Arab Spring maybe?
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I think he said that he was going to stay away from Iran and the Arab spring because they were too fresh and could cause some controversy. I myself can't wait for the Russian revolution.
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Echo Chamber posted:I just listened to the Revolutions fundraiser. It's kind of interesting that he's willing to let some rich guy pick a whole revolution for everyone to listen to. Though I want to see where this goes. I'm glad the Haitian Revolution is safe. I also hope he'll cover the 1911 Chinese Revolution and Simon Bolivar's wars since those are subjects I find interesting enough but know little about yet too lazy to research myself. I'm kind of hoping he does something on the Taiping Rebellion since it's fascinating as a failed revolution.
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Random Stranger posted:I'm kind of hoping he does something on the Taiping Rebellion since it's fascinating as a failed revolution. Taiping was the one lead by Jesus' younger brother, right? Because that dude is just all kinds of interesting.
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Risket posted:How is that being a crazy person? If it was my son I'd be the same way, but his point was that that would be a lovely policy to have as a country, in response to the people who use that argument. He just sounds like some of the batshit crazy talk radio guys. It's really not what he is saying but how he is saying it, I guess his radio background comes out more in Common Sense. Anyway, I really like it. I don't always agree with him but he brings up really interesting points and he often has perspectives I hadn't considered before.
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I gotta say that if you're relatively new to Common Sense, a lot of his word choices and analogies will sound like a crazy person's. Maybe because I use a lot of the same word choices or because I've listened to almost all of the shows, but I don't usually find his style too crazy. However, if you want peak nuts sounding Dan, listen to some of the older shows where he speaks twice as fast. That said, a lot of his recent Common Sense shows are relatively rushed because of the strain the WWI stuff has been putting on him. In 2012, if he did an overemotional rant, he would usually edit or rerecord it but now he just doesn't have the time. On some level he really would rather be trying to finish the next HH episode than spit out a Common Sense show. As much as I like the current series, I can't wait for him to shift back to some ancient stuff. At least there the sheer volume of secondary sources won't drive him completely insane.
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Random Stranger posted:I'm kind of hoping he does something on the Taiping Rebellion since it's fascinating as a failed revolution. I'd love to hear about the Taiping Rebellion. A random wikipedia rabbit-hole brought to my attention the fact that it may have been the deadliest conflict in all of human history and I've barely even heard of it 
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Echo Chamber posted:I just listened to the Revolutions fundraiser. It's kind of interesting that he's willing to let some rich guy pick a whole revolution for everyone to listen to. Though I want to see where this goes. I'm glad the Haitian Revolution is safe. I also hope he'll cover the 1911 Chinese Revolution and Simon Bolivar's wars since those are subjects I find interesting enough but know little about yet too lazy to research myself. That fundraiser seemed kind of optimistic. I hope he reaches his goals, I am really liking Revolutions.
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Random Stranger posted:I'm kind of hoping he does something on the Taiping Rebellion since it's fascinating as a failed revolution. This is exactly what I was about to post. The Taiping Rebellion is loving batshit insane from beginning to end, and millions of people died. I kind of feel that if he doesn't cover it he's making a huge mistake. e: Also, anybody whose interest is piqued by the idea of the Taiping Rebellion or read the wiki and thought it was loving nutso; read the book Flashman and the Dragon, which is a really excellent historical fiction novel that takes place during that period.
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I've been listening to a lot of Skeptoid lately, thanks to the OP. Can anybody recommend a favorite episode?
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Speaking of skeptoid how is Brian Dunning still putting out episodes? I thought he got sentenced to over a year in prison, but he hasn't missed an episode. Did he have that much of a backlog or do they maybe let him have podcast equipment in there. What the heck.
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He has other people reading the episodes. Every once in a while there's a Brian episode mixed in. I skip every one that he doesn't do, the other readers are uniformly terrible. e: Some favorite episodes off the top of my head are Bermuda Triangle, organic farming, the sounds of hell, and the disappearing Inuits(?).
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feedmyleg posted:He has other people reading the episodes. Every once in a while there's a Brian episode mixed in. I skip every one that he doesn't do, the other readers are uniformly terrible. I'm the opposite. I came to the podcast late so I have a backlog of episodes I can listen to, and sometimes its nice to have something 10 minutes long if you aren't in the mood for an in depth thing. It's not like I agree with pseudo science, but I find Brian Dunning smug and annoying.
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How are u posted:This is exactly what I was about to post. The Taiping Rebellion is loving batshit insane from beginning to end, and millions of people died. I kind of feel that if he doesn't cover it he's making a huge mistake. While I want Revolutions to cover it, I wouldn't say skipping it is a huge mistake. It's a symptom of the failing Chinese state and picking any one of the civil wars that China had in the nineteenth and twentieth century could cover a lot of the same territory. Skipping over a Chinese conflict would be a huge mistake, it just doesn't have to be this specific one (though I really want him to use it).
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Zeta Taskforce posted:I'm the opposite. I came to the podcast late so I have a backlog of episodes I can listen to, and sometimes its nice to have something 10 minutes long if you aren't in the mood for an in depth thing. It's not like I agree with pseudo science, but I find Brian Dunning smug and annoying. Agreed. For me, he unfortunately falls into the flavour of scepticism that explains away odd events and looks down upon their opposition (i.e. anyone who disagrees with them) as idiots. Two other mystery / mildly sceptical podcasts to consider (with some caveats) are: * Thinking Sideways: three friends get together to discuss and "solve" mysteries. Can be a bit unstructured but refreshing in that they'll sometimes shrug and confess something is unsolvable. * Generation Y: production quality and delivery is adequate at best but covers some interesting topics and the hosts seem to be genuinely discussing the topic.
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I like that Skeptoid looks into whether certain events even happened at all, it's a perspective you don't really get from other sources, people looking at some mysterious and speculative event and saying "naw, doesn't make sense, didn't happen that way" but his episode on "true" conspiracy theories was sort of insulting - by his definition nothing even qualifies as a conspiracy unless extremely specific conditions are met.
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Looks like we aren't gonna get a pre-Christmas surprise Hardcore History. On the bright side, it can't be more than a few weeks or a month at the most before he's done with the next episode, right?
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bad day posted:his episode on "true" conspiracy theories was sort of insulting - by his definition nothing even qualifies as a conspiracy unless extremely specific conditions are met. That's a familiar debate trick: start arguing definitions. I've seen it used a few times in sceptic circles, and it's one of the least interesting or useful counter-arguments one could use.
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I gave up on skeptoid because he's a blowhard and went to the skeptics guide because they were supposed to be less pretentious. They weren't and I'm forced to assume that all skeptics are idiot weenies who got picked last for kickball
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WEH posted:I gave up on skeptoid because he's a blowhard and went to the skeptics guide because they were supposed to be less pretentious. They weren't and I'm forced to assume that all skeptics are idiot weenies who got picked last for kickball Give "Oh No Ross and Carrie!" a try! They're the opposite of  and have a great sense of humor about themselves.The basic idea of the show is to not just to report on fringe science, spirituality and claims of the paranormal but to actually take part in it so throughout the episodes the hosts subject themselves to all sorts of weirdness. To name some of the stuff they get up to they: - become baptized as Mormons - try out various penis and breast enlargement products - go ghost hunting on the Queen Mary - "overdose" on homeopathy - go to a pet psychic - try out colon cleansing Here's a much better write-up on them: http://boingboing.net/2014/03/25/oh-no-ross-and-carrie-podcast.html This is a good starter episode: http://ohnopodcast.com/investigations/2013/8/1/ross-and-carrie-go-oto-part-1-nudity-and-dark-rituals-edition PerilPastry fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Dec 26, 2014 |
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bad day posted:I like that Skeptoid looks into whether certain events even happened at all, it's a perspective you don't really get from other sources, people looking at some mysterious and speculative event and saying "naw, doesn't make sense, didn't happen that way" but his episode on "true" conspiracy theories was sort of insulting - by his definition nothing even qualifies as a conspiracy unless extremely specific conditions are met. So what things exactly do you want to call conspiracies but the mean man won't let you? Legit curious here.
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According to Carlins Facebook Armageddon 5 will be out today or early tomorrow, and is 'long as hell.'
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:According to Carlins Facebook Armageddon 5 will be out today or early tomorrow, and is 'long as hell.' So it is just like the war it covers 
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Hell yeah it's Christmas again
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:According to Carlins Facebook Armageddon 5 will be out today or early tomorrow, and is 'long as hell.' It's 4.5h long and online. Puts the whole Armageddon series at about 20h to this point with probably another 3-4h coming in 2015. He really deserved the best of itunes 2014 selection!
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