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Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003

He's AWESOME!


There's not a dedicated Kickstarter thread here, but there's lots and lots of projects being funded all the time, with many that have been funded and published already. I figure we might want a place to discuss new projects and post ones we're interested in.

What's Kickstarter?
Kickstarter is a website that lets people crowdsource the funding for creative projects they have ideas for, but not the necessary funding. This can range from a simple photo book to complete video games. Since BSS is a comic forum, let's stick to comics and comic-related projects. If you want to read and talk about video game Kickstarters, head over here!

What does this have to do with me?
Simple: without you, these projects will not get funded and probably won't get made. There's lots of great ideas out

Why can't these people just use their own money?
Comics aren't cheap to print, small run independent books even less so. Additionally, the creators aren't typically paid until months after publication, meaning they're essentially working for free. This gets stuff printed and gets the creators paid ahead of time.

So what's in it for me?
Kickstarter allows the projects to offer various reward levels based on contribution. With comics, there will generally be rewards that offer a copy of whatever is being published, usually starting with a digital copy for small contributions, going up to printed or even hardcover copies at higher contribution levels. Above those, projects might offer stickers, bookmarks, multiple copies, autographs, phone calls with Mark Waid, or copies of previous works from the creators. Also, if you just like a project but don't want to own it for whatever reason, you can just throw money at the creators.

This sounds like a scam.
There's definitely some controversy, but they've been around for five years now without any scams that I'm aware of. Their terms of use require the projects to return the money if they can't finish for whatever reason. It's also being used by many well-known creators who probably would not want their reputations tarnished. That said, there's always some risk involved. I should note that before the end a project's funding period, you can cancel your contribution if you don't think it's on the up and up. The only caveat to this is that you can't during the final 24 hours if it will drop it below the funding level and no money is taken prior to the end of the funding period.

What about IndieGoGo?
To borrow from the Games thread:

quote:

Indiegogo is very similar to Kickstarter with two major differences. One: It's open to people outside the US making projects. Two: If a project fails to meet the goal, they still keep whatever was raised. This means the project ends up being far more scammy in nature than Kickstarter as people pray on the weak minded. I would suggest never going there to donate unless there's a well known project or something.
I haven't personally used it, so I can't really comment either way, but feel free to post about projects on there, as well.

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Waterhaul
Nov 5, 2005

Trade comfort for identity
Drown me in kerosene


Kickstarter thread needs Kickstarter projects.

Steven Sander has announced an art book.



quote:

Symbiosis is a Creative Commons licensed, world-building art book by comic and concept artist Steven Sanders. It explores a world where technology and biology are inextricably linked. Consider it 1940s era bio-punk.

quote:

Symbiosis is about encouraging creativity. The Creative Commons licensing* will allow people to take this world, where I have done the artistic and conceptual heavy lifting, and use it however they'd like. It's about taking this book, being inspired, and HAVING FUN. Play tabletop RPGs? Use your RPG engine of choice (like Fate Core) to make a Symbiosis RPG. Are you a 3D modeler? Use the designs. Make comics? Write? Cosplay? This is your toolkit. Take what I'm making, build on it, play with it, impress us all with what you can do. There's so much talent out there, and I cannot wait to see this world through your eyes.

quote:

The book will be 100+ pages and is being sold in two formats. One is an e-book that is in both PDF and CBR format, in web and HD tablet resolution. The other is an 11x17 high-end hardcover, with a clamshell box, gold foil logo on the box front and spine, a debossed logo on the book cover, and tipped-in vellum sheets for informational overlays in various parts of the book. The binding is Smyth sewn.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003

He's AWESOME!


There's a week to go on Franco and Baltazar's Aw Yeah Comics! project. It's already more than doubled its goal, but it still looks neat and has an exclusive book for pledges.

fritz
Jul 26, 2003



Bumping (after getting linked in the webcomics thread) to say that I just noticed Lars Brown has a kickstarter going : http://www.kickstarter.com/projects...-1?ref=category

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003

He's AWESOME!


Freakestate by Drew Ford and Gerald Forton sounds interesting:

quote:

Simply put, FREAKESTATE tells the story of a traveling Freakshow buying up a piece of land and attempting to establish, for the first time in United States history, a permanent theme park. It is the brainchild of the Freakshow's terminally ill owner, Reginald Black. As the country's favor begins to shift away from such acts as can be found in his traveling salon of oddities, Black has a vision of a new type of theme park, where Freaks aren't the main attraction, yet the so-called Freaks currently under his employ would continue to be taken care of by the profits such a park would produce, after he is gone.


(David Brothers posted about it on his blog.)

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003

He's AWESOME!


Brandon Graham tweeted about project Penultimate Quest by Lars Brown.

KellHound
Jul 23, 2007

We are Not Amused

Are we allowed to promote our own Kickstarters in this thread? I just started one to reprint my comic about demon gangsters. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects...scratch-reprint

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Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003

He's AWESOME!


^^^^Good job getting funded!

Greg Pak, Jonathan Coulton, and Takeshi Miyazawa are doing a graphic novel inspired by Coulton's music. Rewards include a soundtrack to the book, digital downloads of the book, a hardcover copy of the book and more.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects...nkey-save-world

Rapdawg
Dec 18, 2008

"All I do is track a profane route to something I hope is profound. Like swimming a river of shit for a kiss."


Alright, time to contact people for them to name the price needed for the Preacher mini-series we all deserve.

AmericanBarbarian
Nov 23, 2011


Gladstones School for World Conquerers

Is written by Mark Smith who isn't someone you should give money to. I was initially excited about this project but it's apparently being managed by a huge jerk who did't ship to the Sullivans Sluggers backers their promised copies.





http://www.kickstarter.com/projects...al?ref=category

AmericanBarbarian fucked around with this message at Apr 16, 2013 around 16:45

Mr. Maltose
Feb 16, 2011


I wonder if Mark Andrew Smith is going to be as super cool with this kickstarter as he was with the Sullivan's Slugger one.

Waterhaul
Nov 5, 2005

Trade comfort for identity
Drown me in kerosene


Ahahahaha he's now going by Mark Smith instead of Mark Andrew Smith. I'm surprised that he managed to get this book out after Stokoe destroyed his life.

Please do not give this ridiculously shady guy any money.

Vanderdeath
Oct 1, 2005

God was a dream of good government.



Gladstone looks neat but Mark Andrew Smith seems like a petulant and toxic rear end to deal with when it comes to projects. I was wondering why there wasn't more of Aqua Leung and only found out why just a couple of months ago. After reading about his blowout with Stokoe, I hope he takes an extended vacation away from the comics field.

Zenith Nadir
Jul 3, 2008

my veins stand out like whipcords


Oh man, I was just googling the Sullivan's Sluggers Kickstarter after it occurred to me earlier today that I never saw that book on my doorstep after I backed it (overseas hardcover tier), and boy howdy Mark Andrew Smith sucks. Then I came here and saw this thread. Looks like I'll be chalking that one up as a loss!

The search also explained to me why my copy of Aqua Leung remains lonesome on my shelf with a big "1" on the spine. Didn't realise that was the same guy. Yeah, I think I'll give that KS a wide berth and wait for Stokoe's other projects to see print; frankly he was the only reason I backed it, I didn't know he hadn't actually endorsed it.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003

He's AWESOME!


He didn't ask to be taken off it until well after it had ended, though he was never mentioned in the original project other than being listed as the artist. Speaking of the Gladstone Kickstarter, he tried to have me like the page for it on Facebook since we apparently have a mutual friend. It sounds like a neat idea, but yeah, that's not one I will be supporting.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

1d4-1 cats are currently sleeping in my tea.


The Foglios are scrambling to raise a ton of money in less than three weeks. If you want 192 pages of people being stuck in a castle, now's your chance!

I'm curious to see if they'll manage all their stretch goals (400% funded). I think they have enough audience to fund the basic goal, but I'm not sure they can go much further without more enticing incentives. They don't have signed books or bonus stories for example.

Waterhaul
Nov 5, 2005

Trade comfort for identity
Drown me in kerosene


I'm kind of glad they look exactly as I would expect them to based on their comic.

Rob Liefeld is returning to comics, well after leaving for a few months, to relaunch Brigade and is trying to make the first two issues free. If you want to give Liefeld money that is.

Hakkesshu
Nov 3, 2009

2D and 90s video game music



Does anyone unironically like Liefeld these days? I feel like he's become such a joke that no one could possibly take him seriously, but I'm wondering if that's just on the internet.

RevKrule
Jul 9, 2001

Thrilling the forums since 2001

Greg Rucka has a nice Kickstarter going on right now. It's funded but going into the bonus mode. It's also Greg Rucka and deals with swashbuckling pirates.

Why haven't you backed it yet you heathen?

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects...neffable-aether

Shameless
Dec 22, 2004

We're all so ugly and stupid and doomed.

Hakkesshu posted:

Does anyone unironically like Liefeld these days? I feel like he's become such a joke that no one could possibly take him seriously, but I'm wondering if that's just on the internet.

I like him a lot, not his work, but the man himself. He may be a pretty poor writer and artist but there's no denying the man genuinely loves comics. It's admirable just how enthusiastic he still is despite all the crap he gets.

Saying that, it will be a cold day in hell before I buy a book he's written or drawn.

Waterhaul
Nov 5, 2005

Trade comfort for identity
Drown me in kerosene


Yeah for the most part Liefeld isn't anywhere near as much of a jerk as he should be given the poo poo he puts up with but there's no way I'm buying any of his books.

Genetic Toaster
Jun 5, 2011


C'mon, guys. What would Rockslide do?

SirDan3k
Jan 6, 2001

Trust me, you are taking this a lot more seriously then I am.


Genetic Toaster posted:

C'mon, guys. What would Rockslide do?

He'd wait around to get killed by Arcade in a desperate bid by a poo poo writer for shock and never get resurrected because he doesn't have the following.

Hakkesshu
Nov 3, 2009

2D and 90s video game music





Waterhaul
Nov 5, 2005

Trade comfort for identity
Drown me in kerosene


You can now give money to KC Green so that Midnite Surprise Vol II can be made. You should always give KC Green money.

There are also some other interesting books in the project too.

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012


So with less than two days to go it looks like Bill Willingham's and Frank Cho's Kickstarter for their "illustrated adventure novel" Bifrost probably isn't going to fund. Which isn't much of a surprise to anyone who's been following along because it's practically been a textbook example of How Not to Kickstart.

For starters, when the KS first launched there was no pledge level that offered backers a copy of the book. Like, at all. The idea was that you would fund the Kickstarter, and then when the book was published you would go out and purchase a copy with more money. This, for whatever weight it holds, is explicitly advised against in the "Kickstarter School" FAQ which say quite unambiguously that one of your backer rewards should be a copy of whatever object and/or project you're soliciting funding for.

quote:

Deciding what to offer

Every project’s primary rewards should be things made by the project itself. If the project is to record a new album, then rewards should include a copy of the CD when it’s finished.

Eventually they were pressured into adding the book as a reward...at the $125 dollar tier. With eight days to go they caved further and finally included a $60 reward tier that got you the book as well, but that was probably too little too late.

Additionally they haven't made much, if any, effort to communicate with their backers many of whom have questions and concerns that have gone unaddressed. There are literally 0 updates on their Kickstarter page. Compare this to someone like Greg Rucka who's made something like 9 updates in 9 days. Rucka has also made about 85k in 12 days while these two are struggling to make 30k in 30. Jim Balent is outdoing these guys.

And to make matters even better, it turns out that Willingham and Cho were planning to make this book anyway and that they simply wanted to raise the money so that they could turn down other work in the meantime, which basically means they were looking to use Kickstarter as a "fund my life" zero equity investment.

All of this has culminated in not just one but two net loss days for the Kickstarter, i.e. days in which the total amount of money pledged actually went down instead of up or remained the same, which is a pretty big sign that your Kickstarter is hosed. And it's now 44 hours to go with about $9,000 left to go and still no updates.

Bill Willingham is, by all accounts, an enormous loving rear end in a top hat so there's some schadenfreude to be had here, but this is also a great object lesson in what not to do for anybody thinking about Kickstarting a project (comic or otherwise).

Waterhaul
Nov 5, 2005

Trade comfort for identity
Drown me in kerosene


Yeah the Willingham/Cho Kickstarter failing is great news.

Nothing but egos trying to cash in on a popular fundraiser platform.

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rotinaj
Sep 4, 2008



Cucumber Quest kickstarter?

Cucumber Quest kickstarter.

Cucumber Quest is a fantastically drawn, lighthearted fun fantasy webcomic that takes a lot of inspiration from Paper Mario. It's the best, and already had one wildly successful KS. This one is no exception, and looks to be hitting almost $60K. However, I still think people should give Gigi DG their money because Cucumber Quest rules.

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