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These people seriously don't get that the more they forbid something, the sweeter it seems. Like alcohol or drugs. Parents should just publicly tell their kids about how awesome it was when they had same-sex jerkoff buddies back in the day when mothers kept their daughters on a tighter leash.  "I tell ya, before I met your mother my buddy Mitch gave the best blowjobs ever. Swear he could suck an orange through a drinking straw. You kids still call it that? Blowjobs? Or does everyone say chickenheading these days? Blowjobs are still cool right? Or do you kids just skip to anal? Here, lemme dig up some photos of me in with a mullet and a denim jacket, cuz that was the style at the time." "Please stop talking, dad."EDIT: Holy poo poo, 300$ for a prom dress? Costs for this poo poo sure have increased. ShadowCatboy fucked around with this message at Feb 12, 2013 around 02:09 |
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greatn posted:O'Reilly isn't gay. He learned he wasn't gay when he saw Return of the Jedi and princess Leia's metal bikini. At that moment he decided not to be gay. (he actually said this while interviewing Carrie Fisher) My inner liberal must be broken, because I just agreed with Bill O'Reilly about something. Religious Man posted:The whole prom experience isn't in keeping with traditional Christian morals as it is. Why make a stink about the gays when there are a whole host of other "sinful" activities on parade at every highschool prom? If these Christians were consistent in their stand, they would protest the whole idea of a prom on principle. What we have here is a bunch of bigots seizing a chance to single out the gay students for no other reason than their hatred of them. Say nothing else. but inviting LGBT students would at least take that prom pregnancy threshold for that prom beneath 50%.
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If someone ever says that homosexuality is a choice and uses god/religion/bible to back it up then I'd ask them at what point in their life did they choose to become a Christian.
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jscolon2.0 posted:Say nothing else. but inviting LGBT students would at least take that prom pregnancy threshold for that prom beneath 50%. This really brings to light the messed up priorities of these "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!" types. What is being done to ensure a safe prom night for the students? Will it be a greater tragedy for a student to see a gay couple enjoying their prom night together or for that same student to die in an underage alcohol-related car accident on that same prom night?
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ShadowCatboy posted:EDIT: Holy poo poo, 300$ for a prom dress? Costs for this poo poo sure have increased. Ha, couples tickets at my school were $100, $55 for a single, the limo or party bus is easily a few hundred bucks but at least you split that cost, corsage, dinner, poo poo gets loving expensive really fast. The guys are dropping at least a $100 to rent a tuxedo, too. Let alone booze and weed for after or if you're getting a hotel room or any of that.
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InstantInfidel posted:In an equally awful piece by the competing local affiliate, the school has decided to tell the Christian assholes to gently caress off and has "invited everyone to the prom." Score on for the good guys Well yay.  I hope that disgustingly bigoted special ed teacher is fired.
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Node posted:If someone ever says that homosexuality is a choice and uses god/religion/bible to back it up then I'd ask them at what point in their life did they choose to become a Christian.
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Religious Man posted:This really brings to light the messed up priorities of these "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!" types. What is being done to ensure a safe prom night for the students? Will it be a greater tragedy for a student to see a gay couple enjoying their prom night together or for that same student to die in an underage alcohol-related car accident on that same prom night? Teen Pregnancy and car crashes are god's will. Dudes kissing is Satan. 
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Samurai Sanders posted:Lots of people would say that did indeed become a Christian later in life...? They're called born again Christians and they are some of the most virulent of all. Yes, but this is why even if homosexuality were a choice it wouldn't matter, because something can still be a choice and be a protected class.
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I said come in! posted:Religion is some scary poo poo, for this very reason. It teaches people that only their beliefs are right, and everyone else is inferior. No, no secular or atheist ever thinks that; never.
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Eridine posted:Yes, but this is why even if homosexuality were a choice it wouldn't matter, because something can still be a choice and be a protected class.
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Why hasnt some high ranking christian "decided to become gay" for a year of two to prove its a choice? Also, how come whenever i email that question to an online religous group i never get a response?
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Chupe Raho Aurat posted:Why hasnt some high ranking christian "decided to become gay" for a year of two to prove its a choice? You know there are Christians that are homosexuals, right? Most that don't actually believe that?
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Religious Man posted:This really brings to light the messed up priorities of these "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!" types. What is being done to ensure a safe prom night for the students? Will it be a greater tragedy for a student to see a gay couple enjoying their prom night together or for that same student to die in an underage alcohol-related car accident on that same prom night? Underage drinking, drugs, drunk-driving, pre-marital sex, teenage pregnancy, all cool. My kid being in the same room as a gay person, "grab your torches and pitchforks!"
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StrifeHira posted:You know there are Christians that are homosexuals, right? Most that don't actually believe that? Yeah, and? Im talking about the loud mouth fuckwits wh say it IS a choice, not the sensible/homosexual christians.
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Chupe Raho Aurat posted:Yeah, and? Misunderstanding then. Though those folks wouldn't do any such thing because they're at best going to claim gays are icky and gross.
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MoraleHazard posted:No, no secular or atheist ever thinks that; never. Well you don't see the atheists banning gay people or bombing abortion clinics. Doesn't really matter if you are convinced of the truth of your beliefs; what matters is do you try and force others to believe as you do.
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Moridin920 posted:Well you don't see the atheists banning gay people or bombing abortion clinics.
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They say its a choice so they can disconnect its similarity to skin color and so it doesn't seem like they are condeming gays for existing. As to why you don't have, "one of the good ones" I guess their hatred runs too deep
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Im embarrassed to admit i was one of those douchbags who thought gays were "gross" and all needed to stop. In my "defence" i was 19 and a fuckwit. Every year i meet more of my old friends and schoolmates who have come out as gay and i still shudder at my ridiculous opinions. how people can live with such attitudes is just beyond me.
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Moridin920 posted:Well you don't see the atheists banning gay people or bombing abortion clinics. In my original post I was pointing out the double standard that many seem to hold that secular / atheists / gays are free from bigotry and intolerance. As to "force", the force of public opinion works both ways. Being gay in the OP's highlighted school will earn social ostracism the same way being a conservative Christian will earns one social ostracism at NYU or some other big city school. Also, I've lived in places where being gay earns one a prison sentence (in Africa and the Middle East). In my opinion, let the Christians have their no-gay prom. If people want to go, they can go. The school itself should follow the laws and allow all the attendance of all students. MoraleHazard fucked around with this message at Feb 12, 2013 around 04:08 |
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greatn posted:O'Reilly isn't gay. He learned he wasn't gay when he saw Return of the Jedi and princess Leia's metal bikini. At that moment he decided not to be gay. (he actually said this while interviewing Carrie Fisher) There needs to be some hard info on how many people figured out their sexuality due to a movie costume.
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Moridin920 posted:Well you don't see the atheists banning gay people In North America? Not so much. China? They still throw homosexuals in jail. Religion's just one of the many excuses people hide behind to push such agendas, not the cause of them.
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Chupe Raho Aurat posted:Why hasnt some high ranking christian "decided to become gay" for a year of two to prove its a choice? Isn't this sort of thing fairly common? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Ha...emoval_from_job
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Chupe Raho Aurat posted:Why hasnt some high ranking christian "decided to become gay" for a year of two to prove its a choice? But in all seriousness, it's because they believe it's a choice that sends you to Hell so why would they try to prove it that way? They have plenty of 'reformed gays' saying they used to be gay and chose to be straight that 'prove' it's a choice. They don't need to literally drat themselves to save others because they already have two kinds of proof - ex-gays and the word of God.
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My mom's Christian. Every time something like this makes national news, she gets depressed and worries that everyone will think she's like these assholes just because she's Christian. I sincerely don't believe it's the religion that makes the rear end in a top hat, but the rear end in a top hat that uses religion to be an even bigger rear end in a top hat. It makes me feel terrible for her and people like her who are just trying to practice their beliefs quietly and peacefully.
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Every day I try to tell myself that people who self-identify with religion aren't shitheads by default, but seriously, every time someone talks about religion it's because they want to scream about gays or black people or whatever and then just pull the "I'm not racist/bigoted/whatever, it's just my religious belief!  " card.And you would think that the traditionally die-hard organized religions like Catholics would do this, but, nope, it's always Lutherans and Mormons. Especially Mormons. Hey, Mormons, you were an oppressed minority just like 100 years ago. Shut up.
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MoraleHazard posted:In my original post I was pointing out the double standard that many seem to hold that secular / atheists / gays are free from bigotry and intolerance. Having sex with informed consent with an individual of the same [or different] sex is ethical. Perpetuating the notion of bronze age patriarchy based on provably false memes which are clearly descended from the hallucinations, epistemological delusions and state-worship of Southwest Asian mythology via threats of eternal damnation, thus destroying the ability of involved people to either be "informed" or be able to "consent" to sex is not ethical. In fact, it is what would be called in a more sane world "surprise sex". Trying to compare the two in terms of persecution is directly analogous to racists complaining that there isn't a "white history month" or that arguing that there aren't enough persons of color in media is "reverse racism". When they tried to desegregate schools in the US, many white people responded by opening "segregation academies". They'd close school districts rather than allow themselves to not be racist. Kicking and screaming at gunpoint is the way you have to drag reactionaries into civilized society. But it does eventually work, especially if the people involved are oppressed enough and have nothing to lose. White Christians in the south changed their beliefs about slavery. Hopefully, they'll be forced to do so again in response to gay rights, in order to survive and move on to oppressing the next group.
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Haephastus posted:And you would think that the traditionally die-hard organized religions like Catholics would do this, but, nope, it's always Lutherans and Mormons. Especially Mormons. Hey, Mormons, you were an oppressed minority just like 100 years ago. Shut up. I am friends with a couple who were not religious until they converted to Mormonism a few years ago and it's been sad seeing how it's closed off their minds. The wife in the couple was actually explaining a few weeks ago how she doesn't want society to accept homosexuality as normal because that means the children she is bringing up as Mormons will then be in a minority in opposing it, and so would feel like outcasts.
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Cardinal Ximenez posted:Having sex with informed consent with an individual of the same [or different] sex is ethical. And then racism was never a problem in the south again.
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Ghostlight posted:- ex-gays
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Considering she is a special ed teacher, I wonder if she thinks her autistic children/downs syndrome children are just making life choices too.  What a scumbag.
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quote:"'So the same goes for gays? Do you think they have a purpose in life?' No I honestly don't. Sorry, but I don't. I don't understand it. A gay person isn't going to come up and make some change unless it's to realize that it was a choice and they're choosing God," said Medley. Alan Turing was gay =( I don't know which is more infuriating, the ignorance or the ignorance.
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lorn Wayne posted:So from what I've learnt about America, half of these students will grow up to repent their stupid views, gain some common sense and accept gay people for who they are. The other half will be doomed to occupy Hover-Rascals. Am I close here? Yes because lovely parents raising kids with lovely views is a problem exclusive to America.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Well to be fair, while that first one does happen all the time, the last one hardly ever does. I don't think it helps these arguments particularly to pull out something so very rare. MoraleHazard posted:In my original post I was pointing out the double standard that many seem to hold that secular / atheists / gays are free from bigotry and intolerance. I see what you're saying, and I agree that anyone is capable of bigotry and intolerance, but as groups, I'm going to go ahead and say yeah atheists are better than conservative Christians. I don't think I'd say that about any group of people except when it comes to religious nutters. Conservative Christianity has literally been responsible, at least partially, for some of the most reprehensible poo poo in (western) history. From the numerous intelligent people murdered because scientific fact doesn't agree with church dogma, to the inquisition, confidence games (indulgences), et cetera. The list goes on and on. Hitler claimed he was doing God's work getting rid of the Jews and other undesirables, that God had given them the privilege of being the master race, he was of Catholic upbringing, and yet the Church didn't say peep. Atheists are kind of just dicks on the internet sometimes. They aren't remotely comparable. It's like saying "well, the Black Panthers..." when someone brings up the KKK. I don't think Christians are particularly disliked. I think that's a total myth fabricated by all the  'persecuting our religion' types. Comparing a religious person's treatment at a big university in a liberal city to a gay kid's treatment in Southern high schools is frankly ridiculous. They might not be liked if they are particularly vocal about how gay marriage is a sin and all the other stupid poo poo conservative Christians champion, but just for being a Christian? Nah. Most of the population is still Christian. I don't know about the East coast but all the big city schools I've been to on the West coast definitely have Christian fraternities, Christian Athlete Alliances (or whatever the gently caress they're called), etc.To come back to this: I said come in! posted:Religion is some scary poo poo, for this very reason. It teaches people that only their beliefs are right, and everyone else is inferior. You're right. Atheists think that all the time and they can be  assholes just like anyone else. The difference is when an atheist acts on those beliefs you just get annoying YouTube videos or Richard Dawkins. With a Christian you get people doing the most evil poo poo in the name of Truth, Justice, and God.
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If they think homosexuality is a choice, I fear for the trans kids. 
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Senor Tron posted:I am friends with a couple who were not religious until they converted to Mormonism a few years ago and it's been sad seeing how it's closed off their minds. The wife in the couple was actually explaining a few weeks ago how she doesn't want society to accept homosexuality as normal because that means the children she is bringing up as Mormons will then be in a minority in opposing it, and so would feel like outcasts. This is incredible- they realize they have an opinion that is slowly loosing popularity (and I bet they know why too!) and yet they're openly afraid they'll be ostracized for being bigots. It's sad that they can realize that but don't mean to change their views. Cardinal Ximenez posted:Kicking and screaming at gunpoint is the way you have to drag reactionaries into civilized society. But it does eventually work, especially if the people involved are oppressed enough and have nothing to lose. White Christians in the south changed their beliefs about slavery. Hopefully, they'll be forced to do so again in response to gay rights, in order to survive and move on to oppressing the next group. This is very true. Reminds me of this timeless classic.
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unwantedplatypus posted:They say its a choice so they can disconnect its similarity to skin color and so it doesn't seem like they are condeming gays for existing. This is part of it, but not all of it. I think a big part of the reason that bigots push the "it's a choice" line is because one of the main elements of homophobia is the belief that homosexuality is contagious. And that anyone who thinks gay people should have equal rights is already showing signs of the "disease".
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Some of those people must live in a fantasy world that is so much more whimsical than what I envision. It makes me momentarily envious occasionally. Just think about it. There are angels and demons and spirits everywhere, men in the sky watching everything you do (making every minor action that much more important), strange diseases spreading amongst the population corrupting their minds that must be battled tooth and nail, foreign invaders ready to cause havoc should vigilance falter even for a second, dinosaurs walking with humans long ago, and magic. It's like a bad sci-fi/fantasy novel, and they're living it. \/\/\/ But who has the higher offense power level? Moridin920 fucked around with this message at Feb 12, 2013 around 15:28 |
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Can we just say "I'm offended by you being offended" and call it a draw?
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