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When they get board, the passengers are all going to jump off together at the same time saying "We're called the Aristocrats!"
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If I am out and about downtown tomorrow, I'll see if I can take some pictures of the poop stained cruise ship coming up the channel. Feel sorry for the CBP guys and gals that have to clear 4200 poop smelling, angry passengers and crew. Thank God I'm not the agent for that boat....
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Tide posted:If I am out and about downtown tomorrow, I'll see if I can take some pictures of the poop stained cruise ship coming up the channel. Feel sorry for the CBP guys and gals that have to clear 4200 poop smelling, angry passengers and crew. In the cruise ship threadlinked earlier, there is a guy booked on the Feb 20th sailing of this ship and he was worried it might be canceled. Worried that he might miss out on the lingering odors
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At least they can do the Doug dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwsb6NGBp0w At least the passengers didn't encounter a ship sinking with captain fleeing situation.
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FrozenVent posted:I'm sure some activity staff crewmember from a first world country will publish a tell-all book about That is an interesting question. So, if you're an Indonesian contract slave 30$ a week binnacle-polisher, and your ship gets laid up for a year, do they take the flight back to Dhaka out of your back pay?
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how hard they had it.
Hazard pay!
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I'm gonna run this scenario in Ship Simulator Extremes, complete with the warm tap water-only and the bag-pooping. Will get back at ya in a few days.
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Tide posted:If I am out and about downtown tomorrow, I'll see if I can take some pictures of the poop stained cruise ship coming up the channel. Feel sorry for the CBP guys and gals that have to clear 4200 poop smelling, angry passengers and crew. You may be able to smell it coming. I wonder if the Alabama Port Authority (or wherever they are headed) could deny dockage due noncompliance of environmental regulations? How are they even going to be able to clean the ship? I'm thinking they're not allowed to hose that poo poo into the waterway.
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I read somewhere that they are giving out free alcohol now. I cant imagine how things will get when you add people that had too much to drink to the mix.
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I feel worse for the crew than I do for the passengers. First of all, their jobs suck, even without a major emergency like this. You have to know that a large portion of the passengers are taking their frustrations out on the staff. Second, the crew most likely is not afforded the option of sleeping topside. And last, they are forbidden from ever giving away the lies and secrets that Carnival doesn't want outsiders to know about, lest they find themselves sent back to their home countries (which will happen anyway, as illustrated by FrozenVent).
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Has anyone answered why they couldn't have just pulled another cruise ship in the fleet up alongside this one when the power first went out, and ferried the passengers and non-essential crew over to the other ship?
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Sucrose posted:Has anyone answered why they couldn't have just pulled another cruise ship in the fleet up alongside this one when the power first went out, and ferried the passengers and non-essential crew over to the other ship? Try transferring 4000 people in choppy weather on the open sea, not to mention not having a ship of that size in quick sailing distance. Crawling back to the nearest port was the best option.
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Sucrose posted:Has anyone answered why they couldn't have just pulled another cruise ship in the fleet up alongside this one when the power first went out, and ferried the passengers and non-essential crew over to the other ship?
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Sucrose posted:Has anyone answered why they couldn't have just pulled another cruise ship in the fleet up alongside this one when the power first went out, and ferried the passengers and non-essential crew over to the other ship? Several times. A) There aren't 'spare' multi-billion dollar luxury cruise ships sitting around. B) parking two ships to eachother in open ocean and throwing gang-planks down isn't easy. Or often possible. C) getting fat stupid not-following instructions people to not fall off a gang plank between two ships (one of which doesn't exist) on open ocean (which is difficult or impossible) is too much of an insurance risk. You lose one granny over the side, and you are hosed. So, 3 reasons. It is impossible, It is impossible, and insurance would poo poo.
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Lt. Tanaka posted:You may be able to smell it coming. I wonder if the Alabama Port Authority (or wherever they are headed) could deny dockage due noncompliance of environmental regulations? How are they even going to be able to clean the ship? I'm thinking they're not allowed to hose that poo poo into the waterway. From what I understand, they are headed to the cruise terminal to offload passengers (and probably start offloading sewage waste to trucks) and then shift over to one of the shipyards (my money is on BAE). As long as it's not leaking into the water, no, they can't deny it. Well, they could, but BAE or Signal lobbyists would raise holy hell. Smell isn't enough to deny it, given that a) downtown tends to be a bit fragrant anyway due to the proximity of the sewage treatment facility a couple miles away and b) downtown is still trashed from Mardi Gras. As far as cleaning it goes, I imagine that it will go something like this: Waste disposal company (which will make absolute bank) comes alongside with sewage trucks (they cannot connect to city sewer) Waste disposal company will be contracted to clean the ship using temp labor (and likely ships crew) After waste disposal company completes, ships crew will likely continue cleaning Everything will have to be disposed of in compliance with environmental regulations and you can bet compliance officers will be on hand to monitor it. All that said, it would not surprise me if once they got the passengers off (and waste) they ended up towing it down to Mexico or the Bahamas for repair. Both major shipyards here are pretty booked and I can't imagine whoever is currently in the drydock would take their boat off willingly (ie paid handsomely). Sucrose posted:Has anyone answered why they couldn't have just pulled another cruise ship in the fleet up alongside this one when the power first went out, and ferried the passengers and non-essential crew over to the other ship? Yes. While it's done all the time in the gulf with suezmax and VLCC tankers (lightering ops), it's one thing to do with two ships in open water with power. It's a totally different thing when one ship doesn't have power and, without power to its stabilizers (if the Triumph even has them) much less to it's main engine. Sure the other cruise ship could come alongside (with yokohama fenders) and put a gangway across. But when you're not moving, a ship (which is a bit top heavy anyway) that size becomes even more unstable. One wrong pitch and your gangway (and anyone on it) is now in the water being smashed to bits). There's also the point of 3100 passengers leaving one contaminated vessel and contaminating another. What they are doing is the absolute safest thing possible (and most financially viable long). efb Tide fucked around with this message at Feb 14, 2013 around 00:15 |
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If the thing linked about the ship having serious problems before the current cruise is true, I wonder what kind of stupid thinking led to not bothering to repairing it, since now it's going to be out of commission for months at least. How often are cruise ships replaced? Maybe they were planning on getting rid of it anyway and just decided to run it until it completely broke down, kind of like an old car but with poop going everywhere at the end instead of clutch fluid leaking on your shoes.
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Fortuitous Bumble posted:If the thing linked about the ship having serious problems before the current cruise is true, I wonder what kind of stupid thinking led to not bothering to repairing it, since now it's going to be out of commission for months at least. How often are cruise ships replaced? Maybe they were planning on getting rid of it anyway and just decided to run it until it completely broke down, kind of like an old car but with poop going everywhere at the end instead of clutch fluid leaking on your shoes. Cruise ships are extremely expensive to build so running them in the ground doesn't make sense.
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almightyerin posted:I read somewhere that they are giving out free alcohol now. I cant imagine how things will get when you add people that had too much to drink to the mix. Yes it would be terrible if there were people being angry and puking everywhere and sleeping on the floors
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Ireland Sucks posted:Yes it would be terrible if there were people being angry and puking everywhere and sleeping on the floors Alcohol tends to magnify moods. So angry people being given free booze might become angrier and (more) belligerent. There's also the issue that they're already in an emergency situation and any escalation in that situation would need clear(er) heads all the way around. They know there's light at the end of the tunnel and anxiety might be starting to ramp up even more. You know, the more I think about it, DHS probably needs to treat this as a biological attack/disaster scenario and use it as a live fire testing exercise in decontaminating 4200 people. If the stories about poop and pee filled hallways and it running down walls is true, there's no telling what people are going to come off that boat with. If they could decon 100 people every 10 minutes, that would get everyone "clean" within about 8 hours. No idea if they could do that many that quickly, though. Would probably be closer to 100 every 20 minutes...
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Tide posted:Alcohol tends to magnify moods. So angry people being given free booze might become angrier and (more) belligerent. There's also the issue that they're already in an emergency situation and any escalation in that situation would need clear(er) heads all the way around. They know there's light at the end of the tunnel and anxiety might be starting to ramp up even more. Well as long as it doesn't end up like Event Horizon madness.
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Tide posted:Alcohol tends to magnify moods. So angry people being given free booze might become angrier and (more) belligerent. There's also the issue that they're already in an emergency situation and any escalation in that situation would need clear(er) heads all the way around. They know there's light at the end of the tunnel and anxiety might be starting to ramp up even more. I believe his joke was that the people are already angry, puking everywhere, and sleeping on the floors. The very same symptoms of excess alcohol consumption.
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Tide posted:It's a totally different thing when one ship doesn't have power and, without power to its stabilizers (if the Triumph even has them) much less to it's main engine. Every ocean going cruise ship built since like... The 70s? has stabilizers. The thing is stabilizers don't work if the ship isn't making way; something like seven knots through the water. They work like aircraft control surfaces; they need flow over them to generate lift. Tide posted:Sure the other cruise ship could come alongside (with yokohama fenders) and put a gangway across. But when you're not moving, a ship (which is a bit top heavy anyway) that size becomes even more unstable. One wrong pitch and your gangway (and anyone on it) is now in the water being smashed to bits). I wouldn't try to dock two cruise ships alongside each others; cruise ships have all sorts of weird appendages sticking out over the side that tankers wouldn't have. Dining room bulges, overhanging whirlpools, what have you. Plus you'd want the fenders right at the waterline, otherwise they'd be up against a window. But you're right about the gangways, those things would explode as soon as the ships started rolling. Or suddenly shift in and out, throwing people off one boat and smashing people's ankles on the other... Before the whole gettup went in the drink. The only feasible way to do a ship-to-ship transfer would be to use boats, and that's a bad idea for a whole other set of reasons.
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Milky_Sauce posted:Not really getting all the goon-hate for cruises, though I definitely will never go on Carnival after reading they offered $2 an hour wage for a job that requires a degree Cruises are just one of those things that goons will hate. No matter what you say they are always literally Hitler. It's like someone who made fun of their favorite video game.
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Lt. Tanaka posted:You may be able to smell it coming. I wonder if the Alabama Port Authority (or wherever they are headed) could deny dockage due noncompliance of environmental regulations? How are they even going to be able to clean the ship? I'm thinking they're not allowed to hose that poo poo into the waterway.
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Copley Depot posted:Like one of those garbage barges that goes from country to country trying to dump its cargo. A ship of the damned, forever roaming the seas. News reports are saying they're now operating without core containment.
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Tide posted:Alcohol tends to magnify moods. So angry people being given free booze might become angrier and (more) belligerent. There's also the issue that they're already in an emergency situation and any escalation in that situation would need clear(er) heads all the way around. They know there's light at the end of the tunnel and anxiety might be starting to ramp up even more. Chances are there's already norovirus spread throughout the ship. Heck, the passengers haven't been able to communicate with land in a couple of days, right? For all we know, there could be a a full-on zombie outbreak the moment the boat reaches the harbor.
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Deki posted:I gotta agree, I went on a cruise ship my mom won from a contest when I was 12 and the only lovely part of the entire trip was the cruise personnel trying to prevent us from going outside the "touristy" section of the city we stopped at. Well, that and my mom had violent seasickness the entire trip that could have forced us to cancel the post-cruise part of the vacation, but for me, it was fun as hell. I've been on like 8 Carnival's now. Never had anything remotely like 'trying to stop me' from going anywhere on any island or landmass. Sea sick, well you know your going on a ship so prepare or know that you don't get sick from waves. And you were 12, gently caress nothing is the same when you are 30 as you were when you were twelve. Christ the child cruisers here are amusing though.
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Powershift posted:News reports are saying they're now operating without core containment. They're gonna be reavers by the time they make port. 
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This is sounding like the asylum part of Blindness so far. I've been on one cruise before, and I actually really enjoyed it. It was the Princess line though, and it was for my grandparents' 50th anniversary so it didn't cost me anything. I got to see Alaska and a whole bunch of ice floes in one part of the route, so it was definitely an interesting (and good!) experience. Carnival sounds like a pretty bad cruise line though.
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Geology posted:Chances are there's already norovirus spread throughout the ship. Heck, the passengers haven't been able to communicate with land in a couple of days, right? For all we know, there could be a a full-on zombie outbreak the moment the boat reaches the harbor. This may sound morbid but I'm kind of wishing that there was a live cam set up for the arrival.
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They should have set up rigs and just let them poo poo in the ocean. 
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Godholio posted:They're gonna be reavers by the time they make port. Zombie reavers. Encrusted with fecal matter. Nothing can save us.
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Guy Montag posted:poo poo like this and worse is why I'd never even consider a cruise, certainly not with a major company anyway. Check out http://www.internationalcruisevictims.org/ . Apparently there are a poo poo ton of murders, disappearances, and rapes that occur on cruise ships and the cruise companies have no incentive (or even legal obligation) to help investigate/solve these crimes. They are in fact incentivized against doing so, considering any attention to the matter would damage their business. There are some heart-wrenching stories of absolute stonewalling of law enforcement and private investigators, and even outright coverups on their part (lying about passenger's locations, hiding witnesses, etc.). On top of all that, most cruise ships despite being owned by US companies are flagged out of countries like Panama and are extremely hard to pressure legally so if you do have a problem with them (like a poopy cruise) it's very hard to sue. Edit: ok not all of the stories are as weird and unbelievable as the first few I picked randomly on the first page. Some are pretty scary , but I'm still puzzled by the link to that nutty conspiracy radio show. I bet somewhere in the list is someone who got Morgellon's from a cruise ship 
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I was visiting a friend in Belize, just outside Belize City, and one day a cruise ship came into the dock. Most of the passengers stayed just outside the ship and shopped in this air conditioned mall-type thing with a few local sellers outside. It was all fenced in. Pretty weird. But after they left, Belize City went back to normal--a bit of a scary place for me, a woman traveling mostly alone. The contrast was bizarre. During that trip, en route to an awesome beach town (Placencia!), I was literally dropped off on a road basically in the middle of nowhere. Thank God I found the boat to Placencia, thanks to my crappy Spanish. That was an amazing trip! But sometimes I want to go on a big boat and not have to plan everything and just sit on the deck and read a book while drinking a high-priced fruity beverage.
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E.Nigma posted:Zombie reavers. Bust out the Lobos
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E.Nigma posted:Zombie reavers. And AARP memberships. Sam Watterson (or whoever their spokesperson is now) is on his way to Mobile now to take delivery of his new zombie poop armored army.
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My wife and I have cruised 4 times in the past 3 years. It's awesome. Here's why. You get insane service to begin with. Then, since the staff usually deals with dickbags all day complaining about 500 different things because they are old rich assholes, you get even better service just for being a decent human being and usually end up chatting up a storm with them. The food is incredible. It's cheaper (at least with the NCL cruises we take) than hotel + food + travel between several places if we wanted to hit multiple cities without a cruise. Even with the balcony rooms we've gotten it's cheaper. Inner rooms are half that if you don't mind scrubbing it a bit and not being able to see the horizon to stave off seasickness. Most of the excursions you can go on weed out the annoying grumpy retarded old people. All the younger energetic people who cruise in order to travel (vs to be pampered and be grumpy) end up on these excursions for ziplining or cave-tubing or whatever and you make fast friends and have drinking buddies the rest of the cruise. We've had multiple cruises where people we've met on it end up being long time friends. We're going to Boston to stay with a couple for a few days after meeting them on our most recent cruise. You can ride the karma train pretty hard. The only thing I don't like about the cruises is that the staff have pretty brutal hours and you feel bad for their situation. The cruise jobs are actually really competitive because compared to what MOST of the staff could get as employment in their home country, the cruise jobs are golden. As such, it's an awesome feeling when you request and have the same waiter every single night with a big group and then slip them a $100 on the final night. Nobody does that for them and it feels good. Go with some friends and enjoy yourselves. I never thought I'd like cruising but I can't get enough of it now. Now...I will admit if I saw poo poo sliding down my walls and had a horrible experience, I'd probably think twice before going again, but I've never had any problems on the cruises I've been on and I'm pretty sure the odds are still well in your favor despite the recent few incidents. The ships run non loving stop year round. There are usually like 3-4 docked in the large ports we arrive at. Having a few incidents in recent memory doesn't bother me more than the few harsh landings and airline incidents that have occurred in the same time frame. I know 4 cruises with the same company isn't vast experience, but if people have questions, fire away.
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Fortuitous Bumble posted:If the thing linked about the ship having serious problems before the current cruise is true, I wonder what kind of stupid thinking led to not bothering to repairing it, since now it's going to be out of commission for months at least. How often are cruise ships replaced? Maybe they were planning on getting rid of it anyway and just decided to run it until it completely broke down, kind of like an old car but with poop going everywhere at the end instead of clutch fluid leaking on your shoes. something like 40-50 years, a cruise ship is generally over 50 thousand tons and I think this one is over 100 thousand tons... Wikipedia tells me this was built (completed) in 1999 so it is relatively young.
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randyest posted:The missing persons stories are sad and pretty believable, but a lot of poo poo on this site sounds like Penthouse Forum letters without the sex. I never knew it was so common to slip date surprise sex drugs into the drinks of fat old ladies in their fifties. While they are with a friend. Who isn't drugged. And then do nothing to them. Seriously, it's like cruise ship surprise sex fan fiction. So weird. The worst stories are the ones where it's suspected someone was murdered by being thrown overboard at night. Not a pleasant way to go.
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A quick overview for those who've never truly cruised: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-88LTsh9m4s
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^^ Ahaha I reckon he's got the right attitude.almightyerin posted:I would never go on another Carnival cruise, it was absolute poo poo. Someone else was right Norwegian is where its at. What? Where the hell are you getting this fr... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfFbsYde9ds Oh. Still can't believe people get to live like that. poo poo's hypnotic. But you probably meant some cruise line called Norwegian right? Googled for it, but it doesn't seem like it's got much to do with Norway. I think I'd rather visit that place than sit on some boat in the middle of the ocean. Especially since I once got seasick fishing in Port Jackson.
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