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For years now I've had a problem with the internet where I simply cannot pull myself off of it once I'm on. Although I briefly attended counseling to help with it a few years back when I was in school, ultimately the only thing that's really worked is to just block the sites I'd frequent (the forums, news sites, youtube, and google too just so I couldn't find MORE websites to get hooked on). Problem: At my new job, the security features they have set up ironically make it so I can't go in and block websites from myself. At the start a few months ago, I thought to myself, "Well that's that, it's sink or swim now, you can do this, you're gonna have to. You can do this!" Fast forward to now and, yeah, I can't do it. It's especially bad since I'm new so when I get stuck on something or can't really take immediate action it's just alt+Tab and POW I'm back on the web for however long til I can pry myself off it. Basically, I guess my question is: is this something I can comfortably talk to my manager about? The thought about it makes me nauseous, like I might as well go up to him and tell him I'm an alcoholic or something. Today I've put in a ticket to IT myself requesting to block websites (not specifying which ones or the reason why yet) and I'm hoping it doesn't raise any red flags. (for the record, I'm not at work while typing this) I'm hoping this isn't as big a deal as I feel like, but this has been a major problem in my life and still feel kind of pathetic about it in general.
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I wouldn't tell your manager yet, because you're basically telling them that you don't work while you're supposed to be working, and you could be fired. What kind of work do you do? And does it really matter if you use the internet? When I started my current job, I was so paranoid about my internet usage the first few months, until I realized that nobody actually cared, as long as I was getting all my work done.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 02:17 |
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On the books casual internet use is prohibited, but culturally, no one really cares. I often see windows open with news sites or Pandora, and once even Youtube. I actually wish they would enforce their policy because it would motivate/scare me away from browsing. Because I'm still pretty new I'll often get stuck on something, alt+Tab back to the browser, catch myself and think "poo poo get your rear end back to work," get back to the prior screen and then I'll have to re-orient myself and take a second to remember what I was doing exactly, repeat. It's seriously affecting my concentration. Oh and I work in financial services. EDIT: Gah, just noticed I hadn't selected a tag and the title just cuts off. Sorry, I'm posting this from my roommate's tiny phone since Something Awful is blocked on my computer. lizardman fucked around with this message at Feb 13, 2013 around 02:35 |
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If general concentration is something you struggle with on a daily basis with or without Internet you should talk to a doctor. I used to struggle with concentrating on my work until I got healthcare and got back on the meds I should have never been off. Now it's much easier for me to get lost in my work instead of constantly checking the clock. If you're hooked on Facebook just deactivate the account. Change your password to something with 20 random digits, deactivate the account and then throw away the password. Facebook is next to worthless. Orange_Lazarus fucked around with this message at Feb 13, 2013 around 04:12 |
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Thanks, but I really don't have a problem with concentration in general, in this case it's just because I keep interrupting my work and having to reorient myself when I get back. It's really more of a compulsive thing, as well as a quick anxiety release if I'm feeling uncertain. Facebook is one of the few sites that are blocked on their network, so thats's not a problem. I'm hoping IT will pull through for me, it worked at a prior job I had, but this place has a more formalized IT process so I hope this doesn't appear weird or frivolous ("you made a ticket for this?"). If I do wind up bringing it up with the manager, I think I'll try being as casual and nonchalant appearing as I can (like"hey, think we can block some more websites on my computer for productivity reasons so I'm not tempted, etc.") over the alarming I HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM route, though my worry with that might be the issue might get shrugged off or otherwise not taken seriously enough.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 12:16 |
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Try something small like writing down a to-do list so you have something to look at and cross off when you're done with it. Little stuff like that helps motivate me to do more. It's when I don't have specific tasks due is when productivity is more of a problem for me.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 13:11 |
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IT is going to take notice of and be curious about you asking them to block more sites, that's a pretty rare request. They will definitely be watching your internet usage more closely and be in touch with your manager. Just remind yourself of that next time you're tempted to do something not work-related.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 15:13 |
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Edit the hosts file on your own computer and direct sites you can't stay off of to 127.0.0.1?
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 17:41 |
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Is an internet addiction the same thing as a drug or alcohol addiction where you can't simply just not do it? It sounds like you're bored and need more poo poo to do at work. How much I'm on the internet at work everyday sort of depends on how much work I have to do or how many meetings I have scheduled.
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Exactly how locked-out are you, in regards to changing settings? Can install a browser add-on like Strict Pomodoro or something? It's probably worth looking into underlying issues as well. You mentioned going to counseling before, but you might want to back and really start exploring root causes. Attention disorders, depression, and anxiety all tend to go hand in hand and you might have one or all of these things going on without even realizing it. I have a bit problem getting distracted with the internet, and I know the real reason why is my chronic depression, anxiety, and lack of focus that comes along with those. Blocking sites and all that is a band-aid solution if you have something else going on, and it sounds this is a severe enough problem that you most likely do.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 18:30 |
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^^^Strict Pomodoro is great. I had (and still sometimes have) this problem, where I'd be unable to not click the next click down the Wikipedia rabbit hole or whatever, to the point where I was desperately bored and pissed off by the internet and reading dumbshit news content and crap, but I couldn't stop and I'd be on this awful internet bender until 4 in the morning or most of my day at work. Then I got diagnosed with ADHD and was prescribed  . My doc described the internet bender problem (where you just CAN'T pull yourself away even if you know you have to or are bored) as the result of a dopamine short circuit (ADHD is essentially your brain having a defective dopamine processor) that drives you (your brain) to constantly crave another hit of gratification right now, because the short circuit doesn't give your brain enough dopamine, so you compulsively take the path of least resistance to the next hit of gratification to make up for it (clicking another link) and then you get stuck on it forever.Stimulant meds work by fixing that dopamine short circuit so you aren't constantly in need of the next easy gratification hit. On the meds, instead of continuously clicking on news articles with interesting headlines of F5'ing your inbox or making your forum rounds for the millionth time, it's "why the gently caress do I need to know who Kim Kardashian's babydaddy is? I don't care" and you close the window and get back to work because your brain is now receiving proper levels of dopamine and you don't NEED the internet, so you can much more easily pull yourself away from it and concentrate on work. On the meds, I don't feel the same compulsive need to go dick around on the internet or keep getting up to go do something else. In your case, it could be a number of things, but I've been there too, so I get the difficulty with it. Definitely talk to someone about it. I got overlooked for ADHD for years because I could concentrate on certain things for more than five minutes and wasn't hyperactive or particularly impulsive and 'kids with ADHD can't concentrate on anything!' ADHD presents itself differently in everyone, and very differently in adults and kids.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 18:54 |
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lizardman posted:It's especially bad since I'm new so when I get stuck on something or can't really take immediate action it's just alt+Tab and POW I'm back on the web for however long til I can pry myself off it. My husband was diagnosed with ADD at age 40 for this exact manifestation. He didn't have general trouble concentrating or staying on task, only when he was frustrated by a problem he couldn't immediately solve. He also had the issue of reorienting himself being hard after a distraction. Definitely ask your doctor.
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| # ? Feb 13, 2013 19:33 |
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Authentic You posted:In your case, it could be a number of things, but I've been there too, so I get the difficulty with it. Definitely talk to someone about it. I got overlooked for ADHD for years because I could concentrate on certain things for more than five minutes and wasn't hyperactive or particularly impulsive and 'kids with ADHD can't concentrate on anything!' ADHD presents itself differently in everyone, and very differently in adults and kids. Yeah, after I got my meds I was finally able to realize that D&D (While I agree with the hivemind on many things) made me loving miserable and stopped going. My SA time probably got cut by 75% which gives me more time to read or listen to an audiobook instead. What you say about the instant gratification thing rings true, for example back when I was without medication I could read a paragraph (assuming we're talking about something complex), knew I didn't quite understand the point the author was trying to make but I could just shrug my shoulders and keep going, because turning the page was somehow more gratifying than actually learning the material. Now I'm able to stop myself when that happens and go over the part I didn't understand again. The only downside is that I start to tolerate the medicine so I skip the weekends. Anyway, OP what forums do you read on SA?
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| # ? Feb 14, 2013 04:43 |
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The idea I might have ADD is a drat revelation to me, reading into it, it would explain so many things about me and it never occurred to me as I've always associated it with hyperactive kids and I was always chill and enjoyed reading (obviously since 99% of what I do on the web is reading). I'm pretty compulsive in general (I was/ still kind of am hooked on energy drinks for a while, as my avatar can attest) and since high school I've had a terrible time learning from presentation or taking instruction verbally. I recall one instance in my prior job where I straight up had to admit to my manager I spaced out and if she could repeat what she had said (we both just kind of laughed it off). I've always chalked it up to being a kinetic learner. Hell, just yesterday I drifted off when I was talking mid-sentence and it took me a second to remember what the hell I was talking about. I'd be a little wary of taking medication for this, much as I'd like there to be a magic pill I could take I'm concerned about my blood pressure, and I'm already well stimulated from a lot of caffeine in my diet (part of the reason I've cut back on energy drinks). IT responded to me yesterday, saying they can't add sites to my computer's content filter or give me access to it, but I can talk to 'information security' if I want particular sites blocked from the whole company's network. Hmm, if this works, my apologies to any other goons working here. Oh, to the poster above, on SA I tend to frequent GBS, E/N, BFC, Cinema Discusso, PYF and occasionally D&D (these are starting to sound like medications themselves).
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| # ? Feb 14, 2013 14:21 |
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When I started my ADD medication I stopped using energy drinks entirely. I was attempting to self medicate with massive amounts of caffeine. Once I was put on a relatively low dosage of Focalin I stopped drinking them entirely. I'll drink a red bull or something on a 13 hour road trip, but in general my caffeine usage is down to less than 150mg/day. Talk to a Psychiatrist that specializes in ADD/ADHD management. It's made a huge difference in my life. Just had a similar conversation with a friend of mine, he started medication about 2 months ago and he still thanks me for telling him to see a doctor. His quality of life has seriously improved.
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| # ? Feb 14, 2013 14:26 |
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lizardman posted:The idea I might have ADD is a drat revelation to me, reading into it, it would explain so many things about me and it never occurred to me as I've always associated it with hyperactive kids and I was always chill and enjoyed reading (obviously since 99% of what I do on the web is reading). I'm pretty compulsive in general (I was/ still kind of am hooked on energy drinks for a while, as my avatar can attest) and since high school I've had a terrible time learning from presentation or taking instruction verbally. I recall one instance in my prior job where I straight up had to admit to my manager I spaced out and if she could repeat what she had said (we both just kind of laughed it off). I've always chalked it up to being a kinetic learner. Hell, just yesterday I drifted off when I was talking mid-sentence and it took me a second to remember what the hell I was talking about. Yeah, there were always things about me that were 'off', my academic performance was always beneath my level of intelligence, I had a HORRIBLE short-term memory, I'd blank out in conversations/taking verbal instructions just like you described, and I had a really difficult time doing things even if I actually wanted to do them. quote:I'd be a little wary of taking medication for this, much as I'd like there to be a magic pill I could take I'm concerned about my blood pressure, and I'm already well stimulated from a lot of caffeine in my diet (part of the reason I've cut back on energy drinks). You'll be told to quit caffeine before taking any stimulant meds because caffeine is a lovely, dirty stimulant and will likely worsen any side effects you get from the meds (which are WAY better than caffeine). And besides, why guzzle energy drinks when you can literally have meth instead? (Yes, you can be prescribed methamphetamine for ADHD in therapeutic doses. It's not a first option, but it's an option, and apparently is really effective but always a last resort because it's loving METH and that squicks people out.) Anyway, if you want to investigate the ADHD possibility (which you should if you have ADHD-like productivity problems as bad as you describe) set up an appointment with a psychiatrist if you can and also read this book: http://www.amazon.com/Delivered-Dis.../dp/0345442318/ I jumped the gun and bought it before my evaluation and I was all "  this guy KNOWS me". It's great because the psychiatrist writing it has ADHD himself so he does a really good job of describing how the thought processes of ADHD really work and it shows how totally inaccurate most people's perception of it is. The whole time I was struggling through school and having a miserable time at my job, ADHD never crossed my mind because of my inaccurate understanding of how it actually affected you. And yeah, then my psych told me that Delivered from Distraction is what he recommends patients and their families read.
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| # ? Feb 14, 2013 17:11 |
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Yeah, ADD to me is just this evolutionary thing that probably had a lot of benefits at some point but now that we're forced to sit in offices and stare at computer screens/chalk boards all day it causes problems. As a side benefit even though I have ADD the meds (Generic Adderall XR) actually give me an advantage over my co-workers. I guess I'm at that level where it not only makes me more normal but puts my ability to concentrate above normal.
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| # ? Feb 14, 2013 17:29 |
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Do you have enough work to do? If you find yourself with idle time throughout the day due to not having enough work, your on-task time is going to be less effective. When you have more to do, you get more done. Not just because more tasks are being accomplished, but because you prioritize your work in the most efficient ways. I've been there before, and it's pretty depressing. Once when I started a new job, I was getting everything done so quickly that I had so much idle time. I had to beg for more work from my managers and co-workers. Once the workload ramped up, I was much less stressed, spent less time goofing off, and actually produced even better work. If you find yourself putting in 11 hour days and you're spending 7 of those hours dicking around on the internet, then that's something you should speak to a doctor about, as was mentioned.
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| # ? Feb 15, 2013 20:48 |
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Quit consuming so much caffeine, it seems counter-intuitive, but that can help you concentrate. If that still doesn't work then it may be worth looking into a psychiatrist.
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| # ? Feb 15, 2013 21:25 |
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Thanks for all responses, guys. This post is gonna be a lot shorter than I'd like because the web is blocked from me right now on everything but this kindle... like,aregular kindle with no touch screen or keyboard (at work I can browse SA but not post somhow). Not sure yall realize how deep this goes... I can't have a smart phone because when I did I'd be browsing in the shower or while I was driving,it was hosed up. Sent an email to info security, they replied asking what websites and why. I listed the worst ones and said simply they were inappropriate. No response yet, that was thursday.
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| # ? Feb 16, 2013 06:34 |
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I'm gonna go ahead and say you should consider seeking treatment for this issue.
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| # ? Feb 16, 2013 06:51 |
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If you have to browse the internet while in the shower then you might need help. Expect a meeting with your manager about wanting websites blocked. At best they will be asking you who made you the moral police for deciding what websites need to be blocked on the network.
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| # ? Feb 16, 2013 07:45 |
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jabro posted:If you have to browse the internet while in the shower then you might need help. Expect a meeting with your manager about wanting websites blocked. At best they will be asking you who made you the moral police for deciding what websites need to be blocked on the network. And before that meeting happens, you need to get yourself to a general practitioner, describe your symptoms, and immediate receive a prescription for ADHD medication because as the parent of a child who exhibits exactly your symptoms, I'd say there's about a .05% chance that isn't it. Your impulsivity, the fact that you can't stop checking websites even during driving or a shower (really?) and your inability to do anything without becoming completely overwhelmed and petrified is completely indicative of textbook ADHD. You're going to want to do that because when your boss asks, you need to be able to tell him it's being treated and you're sorry for the weirdness but you're getting a handle on the problem.
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| # ? Feb 16, 2013 14:35 |
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Platypus Farm posted:And before that meeting happens, you need to get yourself to a general practitioner, describe your symptoms, and immediate receive a prescription for ADHD medication because as the parent of a child who exhibits exactly your symptoms, I'd say there's about a .05% chance that isn't it. Your impulsivity, the fact that you can't stop checking websites even during driving or a shower (really?) and your inability to do anything without becoming completely overwhelmed and petrified is completely indicative of textbook ADHD. ^^^Getting treated may prevent you from losing your job. Go see a professional, friend. Now I'm going to blast studymusicproject and try to actually concentrate myself.
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| # ? Feb 16, 2013 15:26 |
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lizardman posted:Thanks, but I really don't have a problem with concentration in general, in this case it's just because I keep interrupting my work and having to reorient myself when I get back. It's really more of a compulsive thing, as well as a quick anxiety release if I'm feeling uncertain. How often do you feel the anxiety if you don't check the internet, and is it always relieved after you do? Does the anxiety build every single time you alt tab out, until you go back in? You are describing symptoms of OCD. OCD manifests itself in a lot more ways than the stereotypical TV-show presentation of hand washing or door shutting. I'm not saying you have OCD, as the only thing I can go off of is one post you made here, but that statement does make me feel this is a manifestation of some sort of anxiety related issue rather than an addiction. If you can elaborate on what you said, and exactly how you feel while this is going on, I might be able to help a bit more. Even better than speaking to me over an internet forum, you may just want to make an appointment with a psychiatrist or psychologist, who can do a proper in-person assessment. If you would like to elaborate on what's going on for me, I would prefer you private message me about it to continue the conversation.
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| # ? Feb 16, 2013 17:05 |
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Vomik posted:Quit consuming so much caffeine, it seems counter-intuitive, but that can help you concentrate. If that still doesn't work then it may be worth looking into a psychiatrist. Actually, caffeine is a stimulant and works in a similar way to the stimulant medications that are used to treat ADHD (to a lesser degree). OP, it seems from your title/icon that you drink a lot of caffeine, it's possible you're trying to self-medicate your problem by drinking a lot. I also have ADHD diagnosed as an adult (the inattentive type) and even just having that diagnosis without taking any medication changed my life. I went a year without taking meds, just using techniques and methods to organize and set up my life for success and things drastically improved. I still had a lot of problems though, so I did eventually go on meds. That changed my life again, and now I feel that I can function like a normal person. If you get a diagnosis, your work is obligated to provide reasonable accommodations through ADA. There are many special task management and temporary or permanent internet blocking programs you can buy or download to help with the very problem you've described. Good Luck!
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| # ? Feb 16, 2013 17:28 |
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Christ why does everybody always jump right to internet psychology and meds with no inbetween. You simply sound bored as gently caress at your job, take on more responsibilities and you might even get promoted.
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| # ? Feb 16, 2013 17:46 |
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ClemenSalad posted:Christ why does everybody always jump right to internet psychology and meds with no inbetween. You simply sound bored as gently caress at your job, take on more responsibilities and you might even get promoted. He says the compulsion is part of his regular life too, I mean checking the internet in the shower isn't simply being bored.
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| # ? Feb 16, 2013 18:18 |
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SchrodingersFish posted:Actually, caffeine is a stimulant and works in a similar way to the stimulant medications that are used to treat ADHD (to a lesser degree). Yes it is, and being over stimulated doesn't keep increasing concentration. Quite the contrary.
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| # ? Feb 16, 2013 18:55 |
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canyoneer posted:Do you have enough work to do? This is a fair question, OP. Given the amount of leisure time I waste on the internet, one of the major reasons I don't do that at work is simply because I have too much to do. Perhaps that's part of your problem here. It's a pity your workplace gives the impression that they don't really care about unauthorised internet access because another reason is that my employer have made enough fuss about it over the years that I can convince my brain that if I ever do this, I'll just get caught and get in trouble for it (whether this is actually true, is another question). It also sounds as if you didn't give counselling much of a chance. Maybe you should go back and try again. If you were compulsively washing your hands or obsessively over-eating you would probably be doing this.
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| # ? Feb 16, 2013 19:04 |
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When I'm waiting on tests to finish or whatever at work. My first act is to browse the internet which is quite common. I don't have loving ADHD. You just need more things to do and see how that works out.
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| # ? Feb 16, 2013 19:13 |
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lizardman posted:The idea I might have ADD is a drat revelation to me, reading into it, it would explain so many things about me and it never occurred to me as I've always associated it with hyperactive kids and I was always chill and enjoyed reading (obviously since 99% of what I do on the web is reading). I'm pretty compulsive in general (I was/ still kind of am hooked on energy drinks for a while, as my avatar can attest) and since high school I've had a terrible time learning from presentation or taking instruction verbally. I recall one instance in my prior job where I straight up had to admit to my manager I spaced out and if she could repeat what she had said (we both just kind of laughed it off). I've always chalked it up to being a kinetic learner. Hell, just yesterday I drifted off when I was talking mid-sentence and it took me a second to remember what the hell I was talking about. ADHD medication takes the place of caffeine, which is an incredibly lovely drug for focus. (and also a lot worse for you) Blood pressure is a concern but easily managed. Anyway compulsive-subtype ADHD is very much a thing, and yes, it is often overlooked when the person could do well in school while young, could read, and wasn't completely bouncing off the walls.
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| # ? Feb 16, 2013 19:25 |
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ClemenSalad posted:When I'm waiting on tests to finish or whatever at work. My first act is to browse the internet which is quite common. I don't have loving ADHD. You just need more things to do and see how that works out. There's a huge difference between checking the news or forums while your thing compiles/renders and not being able to get a single thing done because you can't stop checking the news. I had PLENTY to do in my work-intensive college major and was busy all the time, but I still had very serious issues with procrastination and productivity. I'd get caught up in Internet browsing or working on personal art/writing instead of real work, and even though these compulsive distractions were causing me stress and anxiety because I knew I had a shitton of work to do, I couldn't loving focus on what was important. Then when I got a job that started out okay but turned incredibly underwhelming and directionless after not too long, my productivity was even worse than when I was a busy undergrad. Underwhelming jobs with ill-defined structure are bad for anyone, but toxic for someone with ADHD. Being kept busy and having immediate goals/deadlines ("I need this report in one hour" etc) should definitely help, but if the OP is reading the Internet in the shower (even I was never that bad, geez), keeping busy at work is only going to help him so much. And I'm not one to play internet psychologist, but when someone comes in and describes experiences freakishly similar to my own, I don't think I'm being harmful or jumping the gun in suggesting to seek an evaluation.
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| # ? Feb 16, 2013 20:18 |
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ClemenSalad posted:When I'm waiting on tests to finish or whatever at work. My first act is to browse the internet which is quite common. I don't have loving ADHD. You just need more things to do and see how that works out. You may have missed the post where he used to browse the internet in the shower and while driving. This is an uncontrollable compulsion, not boredom.
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| # ? Feb 16, 2013 21:02 |
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I have had that compulsion too. One thing you can do is notice when you're feeling the urge to grab your phone and check the internet or open a tab to a bullshit site. When you notice that urge, think about what you're going to look at on the internet and why. Seriously. Just noticing that you're having the urge and then thinking about what happens if you indulge in it helps a lot. You'll realize that you won't really get much enjoyment out of mindless browsing and lessen the urge.
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| # ? Feb 17, 2013 07:17 |
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Do you get much exercise? When I started running regularly, I noticed that my focus and concentration improved in all aspects of my life.
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| # ? Feb 17, 2013 15:02 |
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Download the StayFocusd extension for Chrome or Firefox. Then completely block all the sites you want or give yourself a short limit on them for certain days - maybe that will condition you to only go on the sites for healthy amounts of time. Also, block any other browser websites so you can't install a different browser without the extension.
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| # ? Feb 17, 2013 15:09 |
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ClemenSalad posted:Christ why does everybody always jump right to internet psychology and meds with no inbetween. You simply sound bored as gently caress at your job, take on more responsibilities and you might even get promoted. Before I was hired at my job, they had 3 people doing what I'm doing. I've also taken on enough random responsibilities that collectively, those random responsibilities could add up to a 4th person's workload. I have enough to do that I often skip lunch, work late, and end up at the office on weekends to catch up. I have enough work that I could work continuously at a fast pace all day and end up making only a very small dent in everything I have to do. Usually, it's all I can do to make deadlines, much less get ahead and end up bored. In spite of that, I have to make a concentrated effort to keep myself off the internet during the day. I love my job and I love my workplace, but I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was 22 and have been on meds for the past 3 years and I now have enough of a tolerance that I have to be very proactive in staying one step ahead of my brain allowing itself to become distracted by or stuck on stupid bullshit on the internet. A quick alt+tab to check the weather can lead to me "waking up" 2 hours later reading about chicken coop designs on pinterest with a half completed list of all the poo poo I want to put in my garden this year. When the meds worked I barely touched the internet, and had about the most amazing and productive two years of my life ever (which is how I ended up with so much responsibility at work in the first place.) For me it has absolutely nothing to do with boredom, I just have a very hard time not switching activities every 5 seconds and it can take me a good 10-15 minutes to get my head back on straight and get back into what I'm supposed to be doing after a distraction. The prospect of completing large tasks often seems overwhelming, and it's far more immediately gratifying to just make a quick post on the internet or hit refresh one more time instead. The meds still help, but now I;m more reliant on the skills I learned during the period the meds REALLY worked to help myself concentrate and stay on task at work. I'd definitely get checked out OP, there's nothing really to lose. (Also drink less caffeine, exercise, and eat better, etc etc etc)
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| # ? Feb 17, 2013 16:12 |
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OP have you considered finding an addiction that is more fun and rewarding than surfing the net such as sex or drugs?
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rio posted:OP have you considered finding an addiction that is more fun and rewarding than surfing the net such as sex or drugs? Either that or get an even more boring addiction such as stamp collecting.
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