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Twee as gently caress posted:Real life is not a movie. If you wake up in the middle of the night, disoriented and you hear that someone is in your house when no one is supposed to be there, you will freak out. If you keep a gun for protection close by because you live in a shady area/country, then all of this could go down within seconds. 
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Kal-L posted:Care to explain for non-english speakers? "crime of passion" This murder happened on the first day of Lent. Lent is a celebration of The Passion of Christ, aka Jesus' suffering leading up to his death an resurrection. Mr. Gibbycrumbles fucked around with this message at Feb 14, 2013 around 13:57 |
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Twee as gently caress posted:From an NBC article: If only there was a reason for this, perhaps the rampant poverty caused by something like 150 years of institutionalized racism????
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Palpek posted:Oh yeah, about that: Yep, pretty much. Also the likely reaction of anyone living in that kind of area who comes back home and hears noises that he shouldn't be hearing coming from what was supposed to be an empty house
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Truth posted:If only there was a reason for this, perhaps the rampant poverty caused by something like 150 years of institutionalized racism???? Doesn't change the fact that living accordingly doesn't make you paranoid.
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Twee as gently caress posted:Edit: I know he's being charged for murder, that's a different discussion So why are you having this one?
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Twee as gently caress posted:
No, that's the only discussion topic for this thread. Truth, thanks for telling me what's going on on Reddit and making this about apartheid. Any thoughts on Oscar Pistorius murdering his girlfriend?
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Twee as gently caress posted:Real life is not a movie. If you wake up in the middle of the night, disoriented and you hear that someone is in your house when no one is supposed to be there, you will freak out. If you keep a gun for protection close by because you live in a shady area/country, then all of this could go down within seconds. If you've given keys to your partner then it's probably best not to murder someone in your house without identifying them first. It looks like it wasn't a case of mistaken identity, but I really don't think it can ever be okay to just accidentally kill someone because you thought they might be a robber. edit - And let's face it, recognizing a lover doesn't take a very long time even in a dark room. NoneSuch fucked around with this message at Feb 14, 2013 around 14:17 |
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I was a huge admirer of Pistorius. I can't believe he would throw everything away like this.
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T. Mascis posted:No, that's the only discussion topic for this thread. Truth, thanks for telling me what's going on on Reddit and making this about apartheid. Any thoughts on Oscar Pistorius murdering his girlfriend? As far as him being charged for murder, it could be that it's either murder in the first degree (planned to kill his girlfriend and use home robbery as an excuse), murder in the second degree (killed his girlfriend in the middle of a felony, most likely a weapons charge or lying about what happened) or murder in the third degree (killed his girlfriend thinking that she was a robber). The 'home invasion' line seems to be his defense, and we don't know yet what exactly the police are charging him with. (At least not the last time I checked, about 20 minutes ago) If he murdered his girlfriend, you'd think it was most likely a crime of passion and the 'it was a robber!' would be an afterthought, because laws in South Africa are pretty much against you using lethal force in such a scenario unless your life is directly threatened, and that's not something he could argue unless she was basically wearing a ski mask or something edit: According to the Guardian, the SA police seem pretty sure this is a domestic abuse case http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/201...ge-south-africa
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Poor little tink tink 
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Twee as gently caress posted:Real life is not a movie. If you wake up in the middle of the night, disoriented and you hear that someone is in your house when no one is supposed to be there, you will freak out. Something like this happened to me last week, except I work nights, so it was when I was asleep during the day. I wasn't expecting anyone, but I heard someone walking around in my apartment. I yelled "Who's there?" and he said "Maintenance. I tried to knock, but nobody answered." And then I went back to sleep. I must have skipped the part where I was supposed to freak out and murder him.
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Twee as gently caress posted:Yep, pretty much. Also the likely reaction of anyone living in that kind of area who comes back home and hears noises that he shouldn't be hearing coming from what was supposed to be an empty house
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Twee as gently caress posted:
Probably to, I dunno, avoid murdering your girlfriend? Just like Pistorius I'm shooting from the hip here.
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Palpek posted:You misunderstood me - I don't agree with you. Caring about personal safety is one thing, busting into the pantry with your gun when you hear a washing machine is paranoic. If anything, the sound of a washing machine should make you less paranoid. I mean, who breaks into a house and then sits around for two hours doing laundry?
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Oscar Pistorius shoots Bethany Hamilton, claims "I told her to put her hands up"
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^^^ My relatives in SA certainly don't seem to believe it is paranoid at all From the The Independent quote:There had been speculation the shooting may have been a Valentine's Day surprise gone wrong. Miss Steenkamp, described in her Twitter biography as a model, cover girl and law graduate, had tweeted about Valentine's Day yesterday, writing: "What do you have up your sleeve for your love tomorrow??? #getexcited #ValentinesDay". This does seem to give a bit of weight to his story, she even tweeted about a valentine's day surprise. Or he used that as an alibi.
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Why would you date someone with no shins and feet anyways?
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Twee as gently caress posted:^^^ My relatives in SA certainly don't seem to believe it is paranoid at all Perhaps your relatives are as paranoid as you.
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Her last twitter update was about how excited she was to go and see her girlfriends the next day to eat cupcakes  She seemed to be a pretty happy person, also spoke about how glad she was a few days ago to have woken up in a safe home, when so many in South Africa suffer from surprise sex and violence. This is really bumming me out. Especially if this is a tragic and terrible accident.
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Twee as gently caress posted:^^^ My relatives in SA certainly don't seem to believe it is paranoid at all If you're dating someone who is so paranoid that they sleep surrounded by four different types of weapon, why the hell would you plan a late-night surprise on them in the dark?
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Twitter, bringing dramatic irony to real life
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Pron on VHS posted:Why would you date someone with no shins and feet anyways? Unless you're Quentin Tarantino, those are really the least essential parts.
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Twee as gently caress posted:This is really bumming me out. Especially if this is a tragic and terrible accident. The accident part seems to be entirely imagined by people.
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Twee as gently caress posted:Yep, pretty much. Also the likely reaction of anyone living in that kind of area who comes back home and hears noises that he shouldn't be hearing coming from what was supposed to be an empty house Except instead of a house he lived in a high security apartment in a gated community, but yeah, let's keep finding excuses for the guy who shot his girlfriend four times in the head.
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It's almost like identifying your target is extremely important as opposed to just shooting at a moving blob in the dark.
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Ghetto Prince posted:Except instead of a house he lived in a high security apartment in a gated community, but yeah, let's keep finding excuses for the guy who shot his girlfriend four times in the head.
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Twee as gently caress posted:
It isn't
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Edit: ^^ Especially if he is being charged with murder, it isn't being viewed as an accident by the prosecutor (even if it may fit our non-legal interpretation of an "accident").Twee as gently caress posted:As far as him being charged for murder, it could be that it's either murder in the first degree (planned to kill his girlfriend and use home robbery as an excuse), murder in the second degree (killed his girlfriend in the middle of a felony, most likely a weapons charge or lying about what happened) or murder in the third degree (killed his girlfriend thinking that she was a robber). None of this terminology is correct or applicable in South African law. There is no "first degree/second degree" or "misdemeanor/felony". A charge of murder is only realistically differentiated from other murders by the alleged intentions of the accused, known as dolus directus, dolus indirectus or dolus enventualis. In a situation like this, it is this intention which will form the crux of the trial. Regardless, speculation at this point is moot, it will be some time before the prosecuting authority will reveal any insight into their case. Prawned fucked around with this message at Feb 14, 2013 around 14:35 |
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^^^ Thanks for that, not really knowledgeable with the different legalistic terms in SAGhetto Prince posted:Except instead of a house he lived in a high security apartment in a gated community, but yeah, let's keep finding excuses for the guy who shot his girlfriend four times in the head. How about innocent before being proven guilty? We know nothing now except that one side claims it was an accident, the other side claims that it was murder related to domestic abuse, and that one girl is dead. Personally I try to judge people for the positive until I am shown evidence to the contrary. Right now there is just no evidence either way and all we're doing is speculating. Accident, reckless behavior or murder, it's still just an incredible tragedy for Reeva and her family/friends. And also for Oscar if it's the former and not the latter. In the end, let's just hope there is a fair trial and that justice is served. edit: said what? probably jumbled two sentences together and quickly edited it. Twee as Fuck fucked around with this message at Feb 14, 2013 around 14:37 |
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I killed her to death, Your Honour. It was me. edit: you can edit it away but you still said it
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Twee as gently caress posted:
If shooting your girlfriend isn't evidence to the contrary, I dunno what is!
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Twee as gently caress posted:How about innocent before being proven guilty? We know nothing now except that one side claims it was an accident, the other side claims that it was murder related to domestic abuse, and that one girl is dead. We aren't a court and to be honest even if it was a mistake he still deserves to get punished as being a paranoid gently caress isn't an excuse to shoot people. There's plenty of evidence anyway, reports of domestic abuse and a dead body full of bullets.
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Shasta Orange Soda posted:Something like this happened to me last week, except I work nights, so it was when I was asleep during the day. I wasn't expecting anyone, but I heard someone walking around in my apartment. I yelled "Who's there?" and he said "Maintenance. I tried to knock, but nobody answered." And then I went back to sleep. I must have skipped the part where I was supposed to freak out and murder him. When we suspect intruders have entered our backyard(this at my mother's house), we just turn on all the lights, grab a machete  and whatever and make a lot of noise without confronting whoever might be out there, just waiting for them to run away. I guess we shouldn't do that, right? Just go out in the dark and kill the gently caress of that person.Same over here, I just turn on all the lights and look out through the windows. Man, I should had murdered that poor raccoon the other night.
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NoneSuch posted:We aren't a court and to be honest even if it was a mistake he still deserves to get punished as being a paranoid gently caress isn't an excuse to shoot people. There's plenty of evidence anyway, reports of domestic abuse and a dead body full of bullets. I certainly agree. And they were allegations of domestic abuse at his house, not reports. The police also refused to confirm/deny whether he was involved in those allegations. Yeah, it doesn't look good, but it's not like we have Chris Brown level of proof that he was a domestic abuser. Look, if he did murder her, I hope he spends the rest of his days in prison (which would most likely be short for a white, murdering double-amputee in a SA prison, I guess)
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Shooting someone in the head once might be an accident, but a double tap to the head is no accident. Four shots ? No way in hell was that accidental.
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Great Enoch posted:What's the equivalent of stormfront/freep for Afrikaners these days (apart from all their daily newspapers)? Afrikaans papers, radio- and television stations are almost all ultimately owned by either Naspers or the SABC. As far as I know neither of them really wants to spread willful misinformation. Afrikaners with that kind of political view tend to keep to Facebook groups. I can definitely see the intruder story being true, though. White South Africans are quite paranoid about home invasions. That's not to say their worries are completely unjustified, as there's a constant stream of just pure awful stories being pumped out by the media as if it's the product of some twisted production line. Rationally these things are very unlikely to happen to anyone who lives in a mid-upper class area, even in South Africa, but there's a definite depressing echo-chamber of sombre warnings from beyond the grave.
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^^^ pretty much. There's a reason why anyone who can afford it live in gated communities like that (3 meter high electrified fence, armed patrols, only authorized individuals can come in, etc...). And even then, there have been plenty of home invasions in those places as well (usually guards on the take)Ghetto Prince posted:Shooting someone in the head once might be an accident, but a double tap to the head is no accident. Four shots ? No way in hell was that accidental. Well, no one is claiming that he accidentally shot his gun. The question is whether he murdered her in cold blood, or whether he killed her thinking that she was an intruder. He clearly meant to kill his target, that's not debatable.
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Yeah it's pretty much a given that he's going to stand trial for murder and likely get the rug swept out from under him by the justice system.. I imagine the police still felt a bit guilty about disarming the poor man though.
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The Guardian article pretty much states the intruder idea is wrong:quote:(...)
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