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Alright, I guess. I'll admit, my position probably looks kind of silly to you, but I consider the act of grieving something of a, well, attempt at appeasement to the dead in situations like this. It's alright to grieve at the funeral of the victim of an accident you had no way to prevent. It wasn't your fault in the first place, you don't have anything you need to feel guilty for. Acting out that ritual of appeasement for someone you accepted was worthless enough to kill, though... Just feels hypocritical to me. Feeling loss if it was someone important to you, fair enough. Especially if you murdered the wrong person. Grief, though? I dunno. It just feels wrong to me. I don't think you actually can feel honest grief in a situation like that. Loss, maybe, or regret, but not grief. You'd always be lying.
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HondaRider271 posted:Even if he planned for weeks to spontaneously shoot her through the door, it's still a "mistake: an action or judgment that is misguided or wrong." Oh, come the gently caress on.
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Bonaventure posted:Oh, come the gently caress on. Do you guys not have any experience with the term "mistake?" Ask someone who is getting their life back on track after a serious crime and what will they say? "I made a lot of mistakes when I was younger" or something along those lines. A big or deadly mistake is still a mistake, saying that is not excusing his actions.
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HondaRider271 posted:Do you guys not have any experience with the term "mistake?" Do you have experience with the terms "pedantry" and "semantics?" Or "connotations?"
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Cardiovorax posted:Alright, I guess. I'll admit, my position probably looks kind of silly to you, but I consider the act of grieving something of a, well, attempt at appeasement to the dead in situations like this. It's alright to grieve at the funeral of the victim of an accident you had no way to prevent. It wasn't your fault in the first place, you don't have anything you need to feel guilty for. Acting out that ritual of appeasement for someone you accepted was worthless enough to kill, though... Just feels hypocritical to me. Feeling loss if it was someone important to you, fair enough. Especially if you murdered the wrong person. Grief, though? I dunno. It just feels wrong to me. I don't think you actually can feel honest grief in a situation like that. Loss, maybe, or regret, but not grief. You'd always be lying. Unless the person is a veritable sociopath then they could absolutely feel honest, genuine grief after a murder. Most people don't really consider the consequences of their actions when murdering someone, and clearly Oscar is one of those people (considering he murdered the girl and had no plan to get away or anything). It was probably not a perfectly rational line of thinking that led to her murder, so to say he felt she was "worthless enough to kill" is jumping to a lot of conclusions. If someone is in a blind rage they can kill someone without realizing the full extent of what they're doing. Bonaventure posted:Do you have experience with the terms "pedantry" and "semantics?" So using words according to their definition is pedantry and semantics 
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Making his grief public in such a way is tasteless.
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HondaRider271 posted:So using words according to their definition is pedantry and semantics Someone said "He didn't make a mistake" in the sense of "unintentional accident" when he fired four times to kill someone. You reply "um yes it can be called a mistake it says right here in Webster's."
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HondaRider271 posted:So using words according to their definition is pedantry and semantics It was just a really dumb thing to get hung up on and argue for is what he's saying. Anyways you also have to keep in mind that when someone is on defense for a case as severe as murder, their actions aren't entirely their own. There's a lot of things lawyers coach their clients to do and say, so this may not have been a conscious decision all on Pistorius' own to manipulate public opinion, though that's exactly what this is. Still think the guy's a shitheel, just something to keep in mind.
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Anyone who has experienced loss has a "right" to grieve that loss. To term it a right sort of obfuscates the matter as they can grieve or not grieve and nobody has any ability to stop them whatsoever. Yes, it is his fault that she's dead, there's no debating that. Whether or not he's earned your permission to be sad about it, or display that sadness in public or private, doesn't seem like an important or meaningful question to me.
Ashrik fucked around with this message at Feb 27, 2013 around 17:58 |
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Nobody's forcing you to care. It matters to me, though, and to my judgment of whether holding a wake for Miss Steenkamp was appropriate.
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Apparently Pistorius' PR firm, Vuma Reputation Management, just identified the mystery substance found in Pistorius' bedroom: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...e8de_story.html quote:Oscar Pistorius’ representatives have named the substance found in his bedroom after the shooting death of his girlfriend as Testis compositum and said Wednesday it is an herbal remedy used “in aid of muscle recovery.” It does seem inappropriate that he's got some spin doctors as his mouth piece rather than a sombre lawyer dressed in a three-piece navy blue suit. I guess that's the way things are done these days, but it does make it look like he's more concerned about his image and brand than atoning for what he has done.
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Did they test for horse, though?
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Local Resident posted:Apparently Pistorius' PR firm, Vuma Reputation Management, just identified the mystery substance found in Pistorius' bedroom: I wonder if this will match with the actual lab results. ChairmanMeow fucked around with this message at Feb 27, 2013 around 19:12 |
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Loving the definition "herbal remedy" for something that includes, pig testicles, pig heart, pig embryo and pig adrenal gland. Or has someone invented the vegetable-pig?
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EmptyVessel posted:Loving the definition "herbal remedy" for something that includes, pig testicles, pig heart, pig embryo and pig adrenal gland. Or has someone invented the vegetable-pig?
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Shooting testosterone? Just like Chris Benoit. 
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He probably had a mean crippler crossface while bashing the door down too. 
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Palpek posted:I'm not taking away his right to feel grief but doing that publically feels like a calculated PR move. It feels like he's pulling our leg. To stand on. Did I do it right?
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jscolon2.0 posted:It feels like he's pulling our leg. To stand on. Did I do it right? Yes. Stand your ground, this thread keeps getting too serious.
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Twee as gently caress posted:Do you know of reliable organization I could donate money to? I'd like to help in any way I can. I feel pretty Hey, I know I'm a little late to this but please please please consider donating to the following worthy South African organisations: surprise sex Crisis Women's Legal Centre I have a friend who works at the latter organisation full time and trust me, they're doing some hardcore good in a very tough environment. Funding is also incredibly scarce at the moment, so any help would be appreciated.
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Guys it's pretty evident that if he hosts a memorial service at his house he misses her a lot and this was all a big mistake and he definitely didn't mean to shoot her 4 times while she was peeing. I'm going to write a letter to the prosecuting authority asking that they immediately withdraw the charges, the taxpayers' money could be better spent elsewhere.
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Randandal posted:Yes. Stand your ground, this thread keeps getting too serious. 
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Prawned posted:Guys it's pretty evident that if he hosts a memorial service at his house he misses her a lot and this was all a big mistake and he definitely didn't mean to shoot her 4 times while she was peeing. I hardly think that four shots, four wounds counts as missing her a lot.
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Also I keep forgetting to post this so here goes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrrz54UtkCc&hd=1
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Is there a charity I can donate to that keeps firearms away from dangerous amputees. Stumps Without Guns?
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"Armless and Harmless"?
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The young and the legless?
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Slight tangent, but still about SA cops and crime. A video has emerged showing SA police tying a taxi driver to their van then driving around. Unsurprisingly, he died, although apparently the cause of death is unknown. Seriously, South Africa, what the poo poo. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/201...rica-police-van
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schadenfraud posted:Slight tangent, but still about SA cops and crime. Still a preferable way out than doing SA jailtime.
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schadenfraud posted:Slight tangent, but still about SA cops and crime. Was Oscar driving? Can we confirm his location?
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I seriously can't wait for a celebrity season of Top Shot, now. "For this week's challenge, shooters, you'll be engaging a series of targets behind cover, in the dark. And to make things interesting, we've added in photos of your loved ones to represent your 'no-shoot' targets. Oscar, you're up first."
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schadenfraud posted:Slight tangent, but still about SA cops and crime. Yeah this was on the news this morning. Taxi drivers in SA are absolute scum of the earth fuckers who kill dozens of people weekly by driving like assholes, but I'm not surprised by this story. Cops can be bad everywhere. Edit: No corb debates. Prawned fucked around with this message at Mar 1, 2013 around 06:38 |
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Limp Wristed Limey posted:Was Oscar driving? Can we confirm his location? I think Oscar was ruled out as a suspect when the driver of the van put his foot to the floor.
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Jedit posted:I think Oscar was ruled out as a suspect when the driver of the van put his foot to the floor. Well I thought that as well until I saw this: http://www.alliedmobility.com/about...icles-for-sale/ They can drive now!!!!!!!!!! Not only am I terrified taking a crap, I am scared witless when I am driving.
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Pistorius may be giving up on life: http://www.espn.co.uk/athletics/sport/story/196908.html quote:A close friend of the Olympian, Mike Azzie, is worried Pistorius is increasingly struggling to cope with his current circumstances - as he sells off his assets in order to pay for the spiralling legal fees involved with his case.
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Kurtofan posted:Pistorius may be giving up on life: His future probably feels stilted at this point.
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quote:Speaking to documentary makers, Azzie described Pistorius as "a broken man". Mike Azzie, a man of rare perspicacity.
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