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sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
No, the dude in charge of energy saying in a candid moment that our gas prices are objectively some of the lowest in the world and that poorly reflects the damage carbon emissions do, and ideally we shouldn't use the argument 'BUT GAS IS CHEAP' to blockade energy research, was for sure secretly saying 'straight up gently caress the poor'.

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sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
I agree why didn't the energy and transportation secretary take transportation into account during his offhanded comment? I mean, it's not like that's a separate department and his job is to basically only look at energy as a problem, right?

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

MaxxBot posted:

If you're going to support something (bringing American gas prices up to the levels of those in Europe) that would put a massive financial burden on already hurting working class Americans, it's pretty drat important to point out that you'd want to do so after providing them some alternative method to get from point A to point B. Obviously he wouldn't have all the details on that part but he at least should have mentioned that if it was his intent.

This is all true, which makes it good that literally the only time he 'advocated' for this was in the context of basically saying 'we pay too little for gas, we should maybe look into what that implies', I imagine if he had, you know, a real proposal or task force or literally anything put in place to do anything at all it would involve looking into all of that.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
Ted Cruz to announce the formation of a Freedom State in 2015.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
Nah he'll just divide out a chunk of west Texas, tons of land and just like, five angry white people to pander to.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Ender.uNF posted:

Battleground Texas is definitely a long game, but they are starting with neighborhood voter registration drives and local involvement. I can only assume they'll be looking for good candidates to run in the locals to start building a bench. http://www.battlegroundtexas.com/content/home

The Perry machine seems to be worried enough to make some noise about them but I can't tell if they really believe it or not.

If you live in Texas, sign up, donate a few bucks, and contribute. It's the first time in my life I've ever actually participated politically because I can't stand another day of Texas Republicans.

Battleground Texas has really hit the ground running here, and a lot of the rightwing establishment has no loving clue what to do because they've had a few good generations of running unopposed basically. They're still a good couple elections away from really being a major player, but they're absolutely on the path to really gently caress up the political machine here.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Alter Ego posted:

I don't think there's a law explicitly prohibiting it, but he'd be viewed by everyone on the left and a lot of people on the right as the biggest dick in the history of dicks.

So right up his alley.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

mcmagic posted:

O'Malley just comes off terribly whenever I've see him speak and his apparently very corrupt: see Carcetti. I don't know much about him. Booker we've been over. Cuomo is a republican who I agree with on a few social issues.

And Schweitzer is basically a straight up Republican, and a pretty far right one at that.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Willa Rogers posted:

Actually, that's your "misinterpretation" and "distortion" of "what he actually said":

So he's not anti-regulation he's just anti-specific-regulation? So basically he's just really ignorant in how regulation works?

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Nonsense posted:

Anybody interesting in Texas? Is Kinky a Republican yet?

No and don't think so.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Majestic posted:

Without really having a dog in this fight, couldn't you argue that Schweitzer's positions are more "forgivable" given that he is the governor of a pretty red state, whereas Booker is in a very blue one?

So it's a question of cowardice being a redeeming feature?

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
"Hey I know the people you represent voted for you but you're like wicked old soooooo..."

Mandatory retirement is dumb in a system where someone's term lasts as long as people vote for them. This isn't like an office where Old Man Smithers will just keep showing up and there's kinda nothing to be done about it if there aren't retirement ages and all.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

jeffersonlives posted:

This isn't directed at you particularly, but this is a talking point that keeps getting thrown out, and it's particularly hilarious given that Lautenberg was a disgustingly rich titan of industry himself that basically bought his first Senate seat.

Yea I don't get how 'his base is billionaires' somehow disgraces the seat of a guy who bought his way in with his obscene amount of money but now it counts I guess.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

mcmagic posted:


The point is that Booker will vote in a way that Lautenberg didn't. For the fiancial sector.
vvvvvvvv

Good point, I mean, you're focusing in how he's going to vote, using such telling things as 'he self promotes', so I can be sure your tea leaf reading is gold.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

ufarn posted:

Wasn't Christie's initial response to Sandy quite slow?

I know he was a prominent figure after the fact, but I seem to recall some silence or inaction in the early stages.

I really have no idea how he could have been faster. Like, he objectively did everything a man in his position can, and more.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Ponsonby Britt posted:

I have to push back against your repeated conflation of anti-Semitism and criticism of Zionism. I am a Jewish American (who is not from New Jersey, so don't just dismiss me by saying that I've been swayed by the "James machine", whatever that is) and I think it's entirely healthy to attack Booker for his strong support for the Israeli security state and his association with Boteach. As an American, I think that we're wasting our money and our international credibility by backing settler Zionism. As a Jew, I think that settler Zionism is a counterproductive and immoral policy which only endangers my people in the long run. And as a student of history, I think that lumping 'legitimate political criticism' in with 'racial slurs and pogroms' just devalues the progress we've made in ending the latter.

I don't know about Holt or Pallone, or their opinions on Zionism. And I don't even know whether Booker's Zionism is a deal-breaker - I held my nose in Nevada's Senate election to vote for Shelley Berkley, who is super-Zionist. But silencing any attacks on Booker as "anti-Semitism" is not just wrong, it actively makes it harder to call out actual anti-Semitism, or to talk about the real threat to Israel (its own stupid policies). If you actually give a poo poo about Israel or the Jewish people, stop mis-using the term.

You realize this isn't 'he's some kind of drone to zionists' and it was almost entirely 'HE MET WITH A RABBI! JEWS TAKIN OVER JERSEY!"

It's straight up 'hey you don't want those fuckin Jews controlling the government from the shadows do you?!'

Since I guess we all have to flash our Jew badge to talk about this I too am a Jew who's anti-zionist, this has nothing to do with it.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
If we're going to do the smug 'well the idea of progressives doing things not agreeing with me...' thing, I'm gonna bring up as a gay guy I'm way more offended that you seriously said 'well there's a 40% chance he's gay and if that bigoted, baseless, rumor killed his political future that's cool' and have the balls to call yourself progressive.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

OAquinas posted:

I honestly don't see the problem here. I mean, the first time yeah because he's a sitting legislator and married and texting his junk--bad idea all around.

But this latest round comes from "private citizen" Weiner while estranged from said wife. I guess he should have managed it a bit better once he decided to do the mayor run, but if he really did stop once things started to get better with the wife the only problem here is some ur-puritanical ideal being violated.

Of course, the entire thing rests on "if he really did stop"--messing around behind the wife is never a good idea, doubly so in reconciliation periods.

It just bothers me that a fair amount of people making hay of this are massive hypocrites when it comes to this sort of thing (welcome back Mr. Appalachian Trail, Senator "John" Vitter, Grand Old "BDSM Strip Club" Party, etc...), but I guess I should just lower the bar for that expectation.

When your entire campaign is basically 'hey I made one mistake, I'm a new guy, that's behind me' and then it turns out it's not a one time thing and it's not behind you and you're still the same sleezeball, it's not good.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Zero_Grade posted:

Wow, between Leathers, Weiner, and every other name involved in this, there's an amazing headline out there for some reporter to come up with.

The New York Post is having a pizza party right now. They got the next month of covers handled.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Joementum posted:

When Weiner can't remember his intern's names, he guesses 'Monica'.


(He is also infamously hated by his staff, in case you were wondering.)

I like how in this absurd quest to shove himself back in the spotlight he's gone from 'ok he's kinda gross and he had a stupid 'I was hacked call the FBI!' defense but whatever' to a legitimate huge cartoon slimeball.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Neremworld posted:

Are we talking about Weiner or Sanford here?

Yes :smith:

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
He just wants to show us all how hard and ready he is this time around. First round yea, it was embarrassing, he had to pull out too early, but he's better prepared now. No more fooling around, his mind is going to be focused on the task at hand and he's not going to finish this until everyone involved is satisfied.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
Well you have to account that this is Quinn's first time dealing with Weiner. She may think she has it all figured out, and granted Weiner is a pretty simple factor, but you never know when there's a surprise from Weiner.

(Oh god I'm five)

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
There's literally no way we can keep up with the jokes at this stage. Every loving time we get some good laughs something else comes out. I'm expecting tomorrow to just be straight up "WE GOT PICTURES OF HIM SNEAKING INTO THE ZOO TO gently caress ANIMALS WHAT THE HELL" and then that somehow topped by "HE SAID THAT GORILLA WAS A FUCKIN SLUT THOUGH"

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

She better work this into her campaign somehow.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Cheekio posted:

I don't really know Cory Booker and I don't really remember Transmetropolitian, but I get serious Smiler vibes from off of him.

It's not election season until someone on the internet makes a Transmetropolitian reference I guess.

He's not The Smiler, the whole point of that character was that he had zero beliefs beyond 'I want to be president' and even then didn't even have a reason beyond 'that's just what rich successful people do'. I have no idea how you make that connection to Booker.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

What are the objections to Booker, anyway? The impression I have of him so far is basically "establishment Democrat with strong political skills," i.e., basically another Obama when we need more Elizabeth Warrens.

He's not the revolutionary Communist no one ever claimed him to be.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

mcmagic posted:

He's worse than Obama in that he's even more of an errand boy for billionaires than Obama is. Remember when he tried to say that attacking Romney over Bain Capital was the equivalent of Obama being attacked over Rev Wright? The animosity directed towards him is because he's a fraud who isn't what he pretends to be and because his entire life is nothing but an orgy or self promotion and careerism which serve to inflate his meager actual accomplishments.

Don't forget his Jewish friends and the fact that he may be gay, those were key points but a few pages ago.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

mcmagic posted:

He hangs around with offensive cultists. Don't lump that into "Jewish friends" skippy.

I'm sorry who are the cultists? I legitimately can't what you mean unless you mean his Hasidim connections which is a disgusting thing to call a valid aspect of the faith.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
Camera hog means a charismatic minority who goes after publicity, this has been true for a good while now because the point is how absurd it is they're diverting attention from the 'normal' field.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

mcmagic posted:

Corey Booker and Christine Quinn are the same person. I've actually never seen them in the same room. Terrific news on this poll even if today will be depressing.

Do go on.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

mcmagic posted:

His entire life has been brownnosing billionaires.


SedanChair posted:

I get that Booker is a corporate shill. What I don't get is why he is a really egregious one. I'm kind of looking forward to see how he will translate constituent services to national office.

Right, this is my issue. Like, yea it'd be awesome if there was a radical socialist taking office, that'd be super cool, but how is Booker a worse shill than any other left wing politician in power?

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
Yea, he made a super tepid 'eh hey guys maybe don't be dicks about Bain' when industries like it were dumping money into Newark, that's called being effective as a leader. If he started making rules about it or whatever then we'd have an issue I guess.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Beerdeer posted:

I have this subconscious feeling that should be NSFW.

It goes in your pee hole.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Willa Rogers posted:

Critiques of Booker from the left concentrate on his policy; critiques of Booker from the right would probably be tone arguments.

But by lumping the critiques together, you've painted leftists as racists, which I'm guessing was your (eta: and the Atlantic's) aim. Well done!

You can't use not everyone joining your tantrum about the uppity neo-liberals hogging the camera (by getting votes and lots of local support, THE AUDACITY OF THOSE TYPES) to pull some kinda weirdo 'you're just playing the race card' argument straight out of Hannity.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

mcmagic posted:

Chris Christie is going to win an election in NJ pretty soon too. Lets all poo poo on the people who oppose him because they are going to lose as well. That's a terrific baseline for political thinking.

You can poo poo on the dude but when he wins, I just won't smugly chortle about how no one REALLY likes him and the only reason we even know his name is he's such a camera hog.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Warcabbit posted:

So, her pressing for the inspector general is cover? I understand that she wants to keep Kelly. He's... well, he's certainly been doing a job. But she has been hitting Stop and Frisk harder and harder each week. I'm not against Quinn's authoritarian streak, you need some ruthlessness to run this town. But, you know, convince me here. What would be the big difference between the two once they got into office? I mean, being Mayor is like being President. Probably the closest job to being President that isn't a Governor. You have limits and constituents you have to listen to. I dig DiBlasio says he's wanting this, this, and this, but I don't know if he'd get it. Quinn wants less, but I think she's more likely to get the lesser things she wants done. She grew up a minority, and I think that'll show in her governing. Convince me, here, I'm reachable.

Quinn, to me, feels like a more realist option. She wants less than DiBlasio but what she wants is more attainable. For DiBlasio to even get a chunk of his pie in the sky there has to be some earth shattering changes to more than the mayoral office. She didn't fight Stop and Frisk at all which is disappointing but at the same time I've seen nothing in her that says she'll challenge the ruling against it. It felt to me that she thought there wasn't enough public support against it and she was pessimistic about the courts. It was cowardly, but it was a fairly pragmatic stance to take.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

evilweasel posted:

He is essentially elected rather than campaigning at this point. That he's saying these things after he was de facto elected means he probably means them, as opposed to things he said only to get elected.

Yea he's got the senate seat already in all but technicality, if he's running around saying this poo poo now you gotta at least believe he believes in them. Now the feasibility of getting support for them are another argument but at the very least I have faith that he'll campaign for them and make them public issues.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Joementum posted:

Anthony Weiner to West Indian Day Parade: "Let's hear it for the NYPD!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKUYxXn6q4I

Woops.

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2013/09/anthony-weiner-dances-on-float-as-dj.html

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sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Gen. Ripper posted:

de Blasio is the progressive candidate in the race, right? Or am I thinking of someone else?

He's the mildly pie in the sky progressive, and most definitely the most left of the candidates yea.

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