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Super Slash posted:however thinking of transhumanism and cybernetics brings about the question; will planned obsolescence be a big thing? Never thought of that, even when considering the corporate angle. The future will truly be a corporate dystopian nightmare.
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If it's as big of a deal as it is today then I'm not worried, 'cause is still have a supposedly obsolete phone I got more than eight years ago, and it's working without complaints.
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Cardiovorax posted:If it's as big of a deal as it is today then I'm not worried, 'cause is still have a supposedly obsolete phone I got more than eight years ago, and it's working without complaints. The difference being that while, psychologically, people might use a new gadget or a fast car as a penis enhancement they are going to be infinitely more attached to keeping their actual penis enhancement state of the art. Your phone isn't a part of you, up it's own rear end arguments on the nature of people using google rather than thinking or not. Your eyes, your ears, your hands and feet? These are part of you. When you've bitten the bullet and replaced them with tech, be honest: Are you *really* going to be comfortable using substandard equipment?
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Speaking of HUD's, it would be so bad rear end to have one that actively shows how much energy you are actively consuming while exercising. The system could give you a read out of your over all energy out put, and show you just how much exertion you need before you start to actively burn calorie reserves. Not just some generic "on average if you do this much" sort of thing, but one that is tailored specifically for your body's metabolism. With something like that where you can actually SEE the progress you are making in real time while exercising, you will be more motivated to keep at it. Being able to actually see the light at the end of the tunnel can really help out. Kind of like an EXP bar in RPG's when you are trying to level up. 
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Wicker Man posted:Speaking of HUD's, it would be so bad rear end to have one that actively shows how much energy you are actively consuming while exercising. Load monitoring systems would be kinda critical to keeping your bionic arms from dropping your blood glucose level too low and ending up forcing you into a sugar coma. On the plus side, you could pretty trivially set the systems such that your body goes into 'oh gently caress I'm starving' mode and starts to burn fat constantly. Go from massive fatty to skinny fatty with only mild to moderate wear and tear on your kidneys, liver, and pancreas!
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Its pretty interesting how much the prosthetics scene is changing into something not far away from that imagined by the fictional world. Kind of shows how much Eidos did their homework. It might not quite be into the realms of ghost in the shell (well...apart from the dystopian corporations) but its certainly moving in the direction of prosthetics becoming a way of improving the ability of the human body. Jumping away from evolution. Kind of interesting and scary stuff.
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etalian posted:Or like the cheesy Sarif Industries videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TODogtsDYTQ
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I just keep thinking about the tendency of gadgets (esp. the newer ones) to break down, and the often horrible customer 'service' of the stores when they do. I remember having to wait four weeks before I could get my brand new phone back after sending it for repairs when it just stopped working for unknown reasons, and when I did get it back it was still broken. Just image having your cyber-dick break down and having to wait a month for it, and argue with the staff about how whether or not the way you where loving with it is covered by the warranty. And 'getting a virus' is going to have a whole new level of meaning. And you just know there's gonna be fedora-wearing neckbeards who brag about their dicks using Slackware.
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Methylethylaldehyde posted:Load monitoring systems would be kinda critical to keeping your bionic arms from dropping your blood glucose level too low and ending up forcing you into a sugar coma. On the plus side, you could pretty trivially set the systems such that your body goes into 'oh gently caress I'm starving' mode and starts to burn fat constantly. Go from massive fatty to skinny fatty with only mild to moderate wear and tear on your kidneys, liver, and pancreas! Well you could easily fix that the Deus Ex route: Scarf down as many candy bars and protein powder kegs when you need to recover after some brisk pencil pushing!
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Super Slash posted:"Your move, creep"  Helly yes!For content: Not bionic by any degree but related to the smartphone chat. Google revealed some of the features of their new glasses. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21519859 to reiterate: we are living in the future
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Will you plump for wi-fi prostheses or insist on a hardline jack? Advertising companies go hog wild on wake-up mini ads when you are trying to shower or make breakfast. Viral ads become truly viral and we have first reported cases of advert psychosis leading to tragedies. Soon, all the spec ops johnnies are getting eyes with built-in night vision and thermographic capabilities. If they latterly go into private employment, are these military upgrades yanked or restricted? Do prostheses have solar panels and can you transfer energy from your leg to your body?
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What I would really like is an augmented reality google maps style feature that will overlay the roads with driving info, so you see a big red no entry sign over a one way street or huge floating green arrows showing which lanes are for what. Hell, once things like this become as common place as a cell phone we could completely remove all physical traffic structures to reclaim public spaces, only the drivers have to see all that crap.
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rejutka posted:Soon, all the spec ops johnnies are getting eyes with built-in night vision and thermographic capabilities. If they latterly go into private employment, are these military upgrades yanked or restricted? Honestly, I don't see the military doing the implants, but allowing them would be another case. If they're special forces, there's such a leeway now with just personal equipment that I'd see the DoD turning a blind eye to performance-enhancing implants but not actively doing the implantation. I'd believe the private military sector might even be a bigger market segment and vector for proliferation for dual-purpose cyberware like that, even more than the U.S. military itself. I mean, we have smartguns, like in the laser-designated, fire-and-forget, self-aiming firearms now and that's all private industry. Hunters and PMC mercs will probably be fielding that poo poo before military snipers do. Young Freud fucked around with this message at Feb 21, 2013 around 00:16 |
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Boogaleeboo posted:I've said it before and I'll say it again. If we ever reach that point I, personally, am going to kill you just because I can't think of funnier than killing an immortal. I have to imagine there are others like me. Here you are, you've reached the pinnacle of sentient beings. You've eliminated all need to fear sickness and death, your continuation is assured....and then some total bastard cuts your exoskeleton open with a power saw and just jams in some power lines to fry you like an egg. I wonder what the look on your cold, metal face-plate would be as you realize what is happening. Good luck avoiding all the death-drones under my control after I merge with the global communications network and assimilate all technology into my being. Hope you got time travel because that's the only way you're going to beat me, fleshbag. On a more serious note, I love that video of the 29-year old woman hearing for the first time. Are there any videos of blind people seeing for the first time?
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Regarding what Wingless said: Except poor people might not be able to afford it, leading to exclusion from public spaces instead. I mean, really, I love awesome science stuff and I hate to be "that guy", but lets not get ahead of ourselves. Technological development, no matter how awesome, will not truly improve anything unless accompanied by social development. Now allow me to compensate for the above with a video of a guy who connected an implant to his nervous system to allow him to detect ultrasound. Also he connects his nervous system to his wife's. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB_l7SY_ngI
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Blue Star posted:On a more serious note, I love that video of the 29-year old woman hearing for the first time. Are there any videos of blind people seeing for the first time? Probably won't be for a while. In kind of how leg prosthesis is outpacing arm prosthesis, visual prosthesis is behind in audio prosthesis. Like our arms, we require a lot out of vision than out of hearing. It's also more complex given the complexity of the human retina. Just today, Retina Implant AG's artificial retina passed their second round of clinical trials. However, the artificial retina is made up of 1500 photoreceptors, or about 38x40 pixels, compared to a natural retina made up of 120 million cones and 7 million rods. As you can see, we've got a ways to go. Here's video of the competing design, made here in the United States, called the Argus II, which has already been approved by the FDA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhYe6REdljw
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Young Freud posted:I mean, we have smartguns, like in the laser-designated, fire-and-forget, self-aiming firearms now and that's all private industry. Hunters and PMC mercs will probably be fielding that poo poo before military snipers do. Tom Selleck will save us. 
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Famethrowa posted:I was just born with only one hand, so the idea that one day I could experience what it is like to function with two is absolutely staggering, and I literally cannot fully process it. Do you feel like it would be weird getting used to doing things with two hands? Like sort of the opposite of someone who loses a limb later in life and has to relearn how to do things Now for some famous cyborgs! Winter the Dolphin  Winter was fitted with a prosthetic tail after losing his in a crab trap and then got to meet Morgan Freeman. Götz of the Iron Hand  quote:Gottfried "Götz" von Berlichingen had a problem. It was 1504 and, at the tender young age of 24, the plundering knight, mercenary and all around bastard had the upper part of his right arm torn off in a cannon blast. As someone who made his living off war and already had a sizable enemies’ list, Götz needed his killin’ hand.
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The Alchemist posted:But really would you trust a robot hand near your dick? I mean, its just one consciousness away from ripping your dick off and destroying human kind. I most certainly would not, especially one that looks so similar to the robot hand that recently attacked Howard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb627xDlqBs Seriously though, don't amputees often have phantom pains from their missing limbs? If the sensations from the new devices tricked the brain into not doing that, there will be quite a few people saved from that agony, even more so if the devices are actually made affordable.
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Cardiovorax posted:I can't wait to become a proper cyborg, glasses just aren't the same. The White Dragon fucked around with this message at Feb 21, 2013 around 03:18 |
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Since I don't think anyone's come out with it I have to ask- if you have perfectly functioning limbs/organs, would you get them replaced? As this technology becomes closer and closer to the real thing I think that's the biggest question to ask.
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C-Euro posted:Since I don't think anyone's come out with it I have to ask- if you have perfectly functioning limbs/organs, would you get them replaced? As this technology becomes closer and closer to the real thing I think that's the biggest question to ask. You shouldn't. The ones you are born with are really as good as it's going to get. Most of this is pure fantasy. We will be lucky if we get organs or limbs that are one tenth as good as the originals. Forget improving on them...
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The White Dragon posted:Glasses are a fashion statement, I'm sure even though we'll have cybereyes that will let people have 20/.02 vision there'll be folks who buy 'em anyway. poo poo, they'll probably make cybereyes that automatically adjust to whether or not you're wearing glasses. The companies that will sell them understand that there are always gonna be kids who wanna dress up like it was a hundred years ago, there'll be professors who want to command intellectual respect, folks like authors or artists or filmmakers who wanna look trendy, and then of course the burned-out eighty-year-old hipsters from the 2010s who still wear thick-rimmed glasses to pretend like they aren't abysmally boring middle-class white kids. I think you overestimate glasses as a fashion accessory. Having bought shopped for glasses and frames for fashion, there's a lot that goes into them that if you didn't really need them, you wouldn't wear them. A lot of people choose thin-framed glasses anyway to make the poo poo be both unobtrusive to their own eyes and how people look at their face. I do think glasses will continue to be around, not as corrective vision aids or even just fashion accessories, but as augmented reality display devices. From there, then we can have AR glasses that look like hipster glasses.
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Saint Sputnik posted:Do you feel like it would be weird getting used to doing things with two hands? Like sort of the opposite of someone who loses a limb later in life and has to relearn how to do things No doubt. Thats mostly why its hard to wrap my mind around it. Every basic skill I have; buttoning shirts, tying shoes, riding a bike, is all learned based on having a stump. I would have to relearn everything, and probably make someone to tie my shoes again!
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Methylethylaldehyde posted:Load monitoring systems would be kinda critical to keeping your bionic arms from dropping your blood glucose level too low and ending up forcing you into a sugar coma. On the plus side, you could pretty trivially set the systems such that your body goes into 'oh gently caress I'm starving' mode and starts to burn fat constantly. Go from massive fatty to skinny fatty with only mild to moderate wear and tear on your kidneys, liver, and pancreas! I'm not an expert or anything but your body already tells your mind that you are feeling hungry when your blood glucose level is low. That's why when you're tired but you ate hearty meals with lots of nutrients all day, the only thing that really sounds good is a sugar cookie or something with a ton of glucose.
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Haephastus posted:I'm not an expert or anything but your body already tells your mind that you are feeling hungry when your blood glucose level is low. That's why when you're tired but you ate hearty meals with lots of nutrients all day, the only thing that really sounds good is a sugar cookie or something with a ton of glucose. After looking at it, your body would instantly poo poo itself if you ran anything more impressive than a pacemaker from blood sugar alone. But you'd be god damned shocked how much power human locomotion takes up. You'd probably end up with a bioreactor/fuel cell in the gut with a intermediate energy storage system someplace. That was you could just eat like a pig and the bioreactor would draw food pulp from your Gi tract to power itself and feed the waste products back in further down the line.
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Kommienzuspadt posted:You shouldn't. The ones you are born with are really as good as it's going to get. Most of this is pure fantasy. We will be lucky if we get organs or limbs that are one tenth as good as the originals. Forget improving on them... Plus having flesh rubbing against metal or other hard materials tends to damage the flesh over time. And flesh simply deteriorates as the decades pass regardless. Awesome prosthetic springy feet might let you run faster when you are young and healthy, but what is that added stress going to do to your knees and hips over time? The connectors involve piercing the flesh at some point and anytime you make a hole in the skin, much less the meninges, you are opening a potential vector of infection. One of the great things about living flesh is that it is self-repairing to a great extent. If you don't suffer any major injuries or infections you can live for ages without ever seeing any kind of doctor. Even broken bones can heal without medical intervention, they may night heal right but they don't just stay broken. I can't imagine even a really well built complex prosthetic like a hand that feels being able to go for years without a tune up. The joints will fail, the sensory electronics will be damaged by exposure, and the flesh/electronics interface will corrode. Unless you live in a post-scarcity utopia, a socialist paradise, or you can afford a comprehensive lifetime service plan, replacing functional flesh with delicate prosthetics would be a huge gamble.
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C-Euro posted:Since I don't think anyone's come out with it I have to ask- if you have perfectly functioning limbs/organs, would you get them replaced? As this technology becomes closer and closer to the real thing I think that's the biggest question to ask. I remember reading that the reason you see people around with useless/paralysed legs who still have the legs instead of amputating them is that a bunch of blood production and other stuff goes on in them, so doctors prefer not to amputate unless there's extra reasons to beyond just the person not being able to move them. So presumably removing your limbs has more negative consequences for the body than just losing the ability to use them.
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But is there a bio-prosthetic capable of making sure you don't fatally shoot your girlfriend? This is important.
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Young Freud posted:There's also the concerns about the poor, since this tide of advancements will not rise all the boats and most of handicapped people will likely be restricted to wheelchairs, crutches, and the like due to costs and loss of income from medical stays, loans, etc.  Saint Sputnik posted:The future will truly be a corporate dystopian nightmare.  sadus posted:Seriously though, don't amputees often have phantom pains from their missing limbs? If the sensations from the new devices tricked the brain into not doing that, there will be quite a few people saved from that agony, even more so if the devices are actually made affordable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_limb#Treatment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_box http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0QiGj9eOOw
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Famethrowa posted:No doubt. Thats mostly why its hard to wrap my mind around it. Every basic skill I have; buttoning shirts, tying shoes, riding a bike, is all learned based on having a stump. I would have to relearn everything, and probably make someone to tie my shoes again! That's not a bad range of activity. Do you use any kind of traditional prosthetic now? Angela Christine posted:Plus having flesh rubbing against metal or other hard materials tends to damage the flesh over time. Plus just the thought of hooking wires into skin like in that 2009 video gives me the heebie-jeebies. That CG model of piercing nerves with an electrode? Wow. I've just had another thought -- the world is going to have a lot of trouble catching up with breakthroughs like that hand. Airport security for instance. You get the wrong guard and he's going to ask you to take off that thing wired into your body because maybe it's a top-secret terrorist fist jab device. Hell, looking into it, this already is a problem for a lot of people. FRINGE posted:Surely in a morally advanced society like MERKA we will make sure that all people have access to new technologies that alow them to see, hear, and walk just as we ensure they are well fed and have equal access to education! I'm picturing a secondhand market in "gently used" bionics, where people who can't afford the newest model have to settle for one where maybe the thumb is on the fritz or a dog chewed a couple fingers off. This is already the case with existing technology, with donated secondhand legs going to people in the Dominican Republic.
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Archer's gonna be pissed!
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Kommienzuspadt posted:You shouldn't. The ones you are born with are really as good as it's going to get. Most of this is pure fantasy. We will be lucky if we get organs or limbs that are one tenth as good as the originals. Forget improving on them... For the record I wouldn't, I just thought it was worth asking.
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Saint Sputnik posted:That's not a bad range of activity. Do you use any kind of traditional prosthetic now? Not a bad range, especially considering literally the only thing I can think of that I cannot do or modify so I can is playing the Wii  . I usually forget I only have one hand honestly  Used a prosthetic until I was 5 but gave up since they aren't much better then 19th century tech by and large.
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It'd be neat to turn pain off sometimes. Also, chainsaw attachment!
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Kommienzuspadt posted:You shouldn't. The ones you are born with are really as good as it's going to get. Most of this is pure fantasy. We will be lucky if we get organs or limbs that are one tenth as good as the originals. Forget improving on them...
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RabbitWizard posted:What? Maybe not in the next 10-20 years...but progress is made, so i can totally imagine improved limbs/organs in the future.
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Famethrowa posted:Not a bad range, especially considering literally the only thing I can think of that I cannot do or modify so I can is playing the Wii Funny, I thought the Wii would be the easiest thing to play with one hand. I know non-electronic prosthetics have had some breakthroughs in recent years, is there anything you're keeping an eye on in that area?
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Angela Christine posted:Plus having flesh rubbing against metal or other hard materials tends to damage the flesh over time. And flesh simply deteriorates as the decades pass regardless. Awesome prosthetic springy feet might let you run faster when you are young and healthy, but what is that added stress going to do to your knees and hips over time? The connectors involve piercing the flesh at some point and anytime you make a hole in the skin, much less the meninges, you are opening a potential vector of infection. So in other words only the desperate or insane would choose to trade flesh for metal. Sounds like every cyberpunk story ever.
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Angela Christine posted:Plus having flesh rubbing against metal or other hard materials tends to damage the flesh over time. And flesh simply deteriorates as the decades pass regardless. Awesome prosthetic springy feet might let you run faster when you are young and healthy, but what is that added stress going to do to your knees and hips over time? Solution: get new knees and hips.
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