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Badfinger
Dec 16, 2004

Timeouts?!

We'll take care of that.


That turned out even better than expected.

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seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

The Mariner, whose eye is bright,
Whose beard with age is hoar,
Is gone; and now the Wedding-Guest
Turned from the bridegroom's door.


Holy poo poo that was better than horse_ebooks.

SWITCH HITLER posted:

After spending majority of his career growing progressively more moldy and limp in the Pacific Northwest's horridly damp climate, Ichiro was traded to our lord and masters the New York Yankees for a bag of magic beans and a complimentary Hector Noesi. Somewhere along the line, he learned how to hit again, and there was much rejoicing. Now, as we go into what may well be his final season, he'll be hard pressed to keep up the rate of play he showed in his limited time in pinstripes. I'm of the mind that he could very well play that well, considering he's moved far away from the miniature black hole that is Safeco field.

Not that big of a deal, but Noesi actually came in the Pineda / Montero package. Mariners got DJ Mitchell and some other guy whose name escapes me (and value is so low that I don't care enough to google it) for Ichiro.

ThatsMyBoye
Nov 21, 2006

I wish that I believed in fate
I wish I didn't sleep so late
I used to be carried in the arms of cheerleaders


stuart scott irl posted:

TUMBLR PRESENTS: THE 2013 PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES

INFIELD

Ryan Howard | 1B | .219/.295/.423, 14 HR in 292 PA





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Chase Utley | 2B | .256/.365/.429, 11 HR in 362 PA





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Jimmy Rollins | SS | .250/.316/.427, 23 HR in 699 PA





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Michael Young | 3B | .277/.312/.370, 8 HR in 651 PA





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Carlos Ruiz | C | .325/.394/.540, 16 HR in 421 PA





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OUTFIELD

Delmon Young | LF | .267/.296/.411, 18 HR in 608 PA





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Ben Revere | CF | .294/.333/.342, 0 HR in 553 PA





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John Mayberry, Jr. | RF | .245/.301/.395, 14 HR in 479 PA





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Domonic Brown | RF | .235/.316/.396, 5 HR in 212 PA





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PITCHERS

Roy Halladay | SP | 4.49 ERA, 20.4% K, 5.6% BB in 156.1 IP





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Cliff Lee | SP | 3.16 ERA, 24.4% K, 3.3% BB in 211 IP





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Cole Hamels | SP | 3.05 ERA, 24.9% K, 6.0% BB in 215.1 IP





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Kyle Kendrick | SP | 3.90 ERA, 17.2% K, 7.3% BB in 159.1 IP





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Jonathan Papelbon | CL | 2.44 ERA, 32.4% K, 6.3% BB in 70 IP





Wholequote for 5

Jerkface
May 21, 2001



The chase & dom brown ones are so good.

BrooklynBruiser
Aug 20, 2006

Oh my god. The microchip has been compromised.


seiferguy posted:

Holy poo poo that was better than horse_ebooks.


Not that big of a deal, but Noesi actually came in the Pineda / Montero package. Mariners got DJ Mitchell and some other guy whose name escapes me (and value is so low that I don't care enough to google it) for Ichiro.

Some dude named Farquar? I think?

SporkOfTruth
Sep 1, 2006

this kid walked up to me and was like man schmitty your stache is ghetto and I was like whatever man your 3b look like a dishrag.

he was like damn.


SporkOfTruth posted:

Just wait for stu scott irl's preview. He'll show you the true meaning of Ruben Amaro-induced despair as only another Phillies fan can.

WHAT DID I TELL YOU ALL

Monicro
Oct 21, 2010

My wiener has never been so exhausted.

the first thing i saw was the first twitter screenshot and i was so happy

e: oh my god the ben revere one

Monicro fucked around with this message at Feb 22, 2013 around 05:31

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN

Close thread and goldmine, we're done here

adaz
Mar 7, 2009



Love it but so many more teams left

Eagerly awaiting a Royals fan with more baseballs knowledge than me (anyone!) to writeup the Royals.

JediGandalf
Sep 3, 2004

Savior


SSI, that was beautiful. Anyway, I present baseball's objectively Most Forgettable Franchise...

The 2012 2013 San Diego Padres

The 2012 Padres were kind of a dichotomy of a team. April, May, and some of June were absolutely dismal months of baseball. When May 1 rolled around the Padres were a pathetic 7-17 and did no better by June 1 at 18-35. It looked like the fans of America's Finest City's baseball team were looking forward to joining the Cubs and Astros as 100+ loss teams. To compound it all, the Padres, especially the pitchers, were absolutely plagued by injuries. The Padres as a whole spent 1,883 days on the disabled list. Tim Stauffer, and Carlos Quentin started the season on the DL. Arguably the ace of the Padres rotation, Cory Luebke, was lost in May to TJS as well as pitching prospect Joe Wieland. It would seem like all the deities had forsaken the Padres. But the second half of 2012 season was a lot better for the Padres. They went 42-33 and saw remarkable production from Carlos Quentin, Yasmani Grandal, and of course, Our Savior (and my av) Chase Headley. The Padres bullpen was a resilient one, as usual, however the rotation was a total dumpster fire. Edinson Volquez could not find the strike zone, Clayton Richard gave up many dingers, and JEFF loving SUPPAN PITCHED BASEBALLS. About the only bright spot was Eric Stultz. Despite the 2nd half success, the Padres beat their pythagorean by only one (1) win.

Seeing this late 2012 success, Padres fans finally got excited that we were going to be no longer punching bags for the Dodgers and Giants in their contention quests. And with the new owners, Padres fans thought we could actually acquire players from FA not named Jason Marquis and Freddy Garcia. However the Padres did absolutely nothing to improve the team in the offseason and the Dodgers and Giants will beat up on the Padres as they contend for the NL West title yet again.

Nick Hundley - C


2012: .157/.219/.245 (ugh)

2011 was a breakout season for Nick where he went on to put this up .288/.347/.477 and everyone was expecting Nick to do well in 2012. Weeeell he completely tanked went from that to...that. In fairness, it appears that Nick was playing hurt throughout the season. However, he eventually lost his starting job to Yasmani Grandal and stopped playing in August. San Diego is going to need Nick to get back to 2011 form or San Diego will have a gaping hole at catcher.

Yasmani Grandal - C


2012: .297/.394/.469

Yes, he tested positive for ~~PEDs~~ over this offseason. Yes, he is one of the guys listed in that Miami clinic. If you need to absolutely deride him, then you're in great (read: awful) company with this guy. Now that is said, Yasmani was acquired last season in the Reds trade for Mat Latos. He quickly became a favorite with his bat. Unfortunately, because testing positive for PEDs, he won't be playing until June at the earliest.

Yonder Alonso - 1B


2012: .273/.348/.393

Yonder became the Doubles Machine last season as he belted 39 doubles. Unfortunately, as his SLG indicates, he could only muster doubles. Hit just nine dingers and because he runs like he is towing a piano, no triples. For a 1B, Yonder needs some more power. I'll gladly trade Doubles Machine for Dingers Machine.

Logan Forsythe - 2B


2012: .273/.343/.390

Mercifully took this job over from Orlando Hudson. Already he was an upgrade at 2B when he stepped onto the field. His 2B job could be shifted over to SS for reasons I will explain later or outright lost to Jedd Gyorko.

Chase Headley - 3B


2012: .286/.376/.498

Savior! He absolutely mashed taters in 2012. Everyone and their mother thought he was being traded at deadline and this offseason but he is here to stay and continue to mash taters until he is traded at the end of 2013 season.

Everth Cabrera - SS


2012: .246/.324/.324

A four-A shortstop that managed to swipe 44 bases last season but was still an upgrade over Jason Bartlett. Today (20 Feburary 2013), he was found to be on The List from South Florida so we'll see how that pans out. If nothing happens, and I think that will be the case, the starting SS job is his to lose.

Carlos Quentin - LF


2012: .261/.374/.504

Carlos is someone Josh Byrnes pilfered from the White Sox and he has delivered...when he can play baseball. He is very injury prone. He started 2012 on the disabled list and didn't start until the Cubs series in Chicago. He certainly made an entrance by going 3 for 5 2B, HR on the final game of that series. The key for Carlos is to remain healthy. He only played 86 games meaning he didn't play for little under half a season. When playing, solid #3 or #4 guy.

Cameron Maybin - CF


2012: .243/.306/.349

All glove, little bat. Cameron has made some fantastic plays roaming CF and he has the much needed range to patrol Petco National Park effectively. However, he's not any better than the 7th, 8th hitter.

Chris Denorfia - RF


2012: .293/.345/.451

Recently getting an extension through 2014, he has always either been a platoon guy or a pinch hitter. 2013 is no different as he will be in a platoon with the guy below. Loves to make diving catches. Succeeds 45% of the time.

Will Venable - RF


2012: .264/.335/.429

The second half of what we have called "Venorfia" out there in right field, Will had one of his better seasons in 2012 and it looks like he is starting to figure it out. However, he is still streak prone and he's pretty bad at hitting lefties which earns him as being part of a platoon instead of every day starter.

Bench

Mark Kotsay - OF


2012: .259/.314/.357

Second time around in a Padres uniform, his role is that "veteran-guy-off-the-bench" and a mentor to the youngin's and not a terrible pinch hitter.

Jesus Guzman - 1B/OF


2012: .247/.319/.418

Once a shining hero to San Diego because he hit much, much better than Brad Hawpe, is now relegated to being PH/1B platoon thanks to Yonder Alonso. Another four-A guy.

John Baker - C


2012: .238/.310/.280

Well he's certainly a much better upgrade than Rob Johnson was last year. But as I alluded, if Nick can't get back to 2011 form, we have some problems at catching.

Starting Pitchers

As mentioned before, in a division that's pretty pitcher dominant, the Padres starting pitching is pretty pathetic.

Edinson Volquez


2012: 182.2 IP 4.14 ERA 4.06 FIP 21.7 K% 13.1% BB%

Dr. Edinson and Mr. Volquez. He was acquired in The Latos Trade. This guy can't find the strike-zone 94% of the time, when he did find it that 6% of the time, batters returned straight to the dugout from whence they game. He didn't give up many dingers but because he walks all of MLB, many of those free passes eventually come to score. More than likely the opening day starter again and will walk four batters in the 5th inning.

Jason Marquis


2012: 93.2 IP 4.04 ERA 4.28 FIP 19.7 K% 7.0% BB%

Yes, that Jason Marquis, SAS Twins fans. Remember him?? Anyway, he was downright putrid and old and music to Josh Byrnes ears! With the help of MLB sanctioned Pitcher Performance Enhancing PETCO Parks (PPEPPs), Jason Marquis posted a season similar to the one with the Rockies only far fewer innings pitched. Byrnes saw fit to give Marquis a full season of PPEPPs as the first FA acquisition in this offseason.

Clayton Richard


2012: 218.2 IP 3.99 ERA 4.62 FIP 11.8% K% 4.6% BB%

Clayton's a durable pitcher. He will routinely go into the 7th and 8th inning which is why the bullpen loves his starts. That is if he's not getting shellacked with dingers. The now closer fences give me some trepidation on his starts.

Eric Stultz


2012: 85.2 IP 2.94 ERA 3.81 FIP 13.6% K% 5.9% BB%

Stultz you! He was the bright spot in this rotation.

Cory Luebke


2012: 31.0 IP 2.61 ERA 2.80 FIP 17.7% K% 6.2 BB%

Ladies love Lueb(ke). No seriously, countless female Padres fans fawn over those oh so dreamy eyes. To boot, he is actually a good pitcher. He was lost to ulnar collateral ligament surgery early 2012 and won't be returning until probably after the ASG. I am hoping TJS does not utterly destroy him.

Casey Kelly


2012: 29.0 IP 6.21 ERA 4.78 FIP 19.1% K% 7.4 BB%

Part of the Adrian Trade. In his six starts since being called up, he got taken to the wood shed. Pretty doubtful he starts the season on the 25-man.

Anthony Bass
(far left)

2012: 83.1 IP 5.08 ERA 4.03 FIP 21.0% K% 10.1% BB%

Started off in April ripping and roar and then finished the season mewing. He was also plagued by a shounder injury that cost him two months. More than likely going to spend time in Tucson at the start

Bullpen

Luke Gregerson


2012: 71.2 IP 2.39 ERA 3.36 FIP 24.5% K% 7.1 BB%

Use the Slider Luke! The Slider will always be with you. Has a wicked slider that makes batters whiff although last season it lost some of its luster and contributed to some home runs. Solid set-up man.

Huston Street


2012: 39.0 IP 1.85 ERA 2.20 FIP 26.7% K% 6.7 BB%

Our Heath Bell replacement. Solid 9th Inning Reliever. Very injury prone. Cost as much as Brandon McCarthy who is a lot more valuable to a 76 win team than a quality 9th Inning Reliever, Josh.

Andrew Cashner


2012: 27.0 IP 3.67 ERA 4.17 FIP 25.0% K% 13.8% BB%

I'm putting him in the bullpen because I think that is where he will eventually be. I don't see him as starter material and that's crappy because we gave up on Rizzo for someone who throws a 100+ MPH fastball wildly. Oh and he has pissed off his bosses by a) not playing baseball when he really needs to play to go b) hunting and eventually slicing his thumb open.

Brad Boxberger


2012: 27.2 IP 2.60 ERA 4.29 FIP 27.5% K% 15.0% BB% (oy vey!)

Final piece of The Latos Trade. Had a serious walking problem...even worse than Volquez! Was good before his call up then his command went to all poo poo. I'm not about to write him off though.

There is a million other bullpen pitchers in which I won't expound since a) I'm tired b) this is getting to be a long post. Just look up the rest on Fangraphs.

Grozz Nuy
Feb 21, 2008



stuart scott irl posted:

TUMBLR PRESENTS: THE 2013 PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES

I sincerely didn't think it was possible to top the horse_ebooks preview from last year, but holy poo poo.

Politicalrancor
Jan 29, 2008



Brad Brach set a saves record at high A California League...at 25. He's a really great guy though. Cody Decker is playing for Israel in the WBC, and is only just as good as me at Pub Trivia. Poor Rymer Liriano.

Rand alPaul
Feb 3, 2010

Cody Ross 2.0


Why does Delmon Young's player photo always look like it has a white mushroom cloud around it?

Strawberry Panda
Nov 4, 2007

And God said, "Let there be Dingers!"


If the Miami Marlins preview isn't done tomorrow I'd like to take a swing at it (I have no idea which players are on the team anymore, but I don't think anyone really knows).

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN

Rand alPaul posted:

Why does Delmon Young's player photo always look like it has a white mushroom cloud around it?

The Delmon Young Experience in a nutshell

tadashi
Feb 20, 2006



I keep forgetting I've read the whole Twins' preview because, in the back of my mind, I keep thinking "There's got to be something that was missed..." Poor Twins

stuart scott irl
Mar 9, 2007



Rand alPaul posted:

Why does Delmon Young's player photo always look like it has a white mushroom cloud around it?

ESPN photoshops all their transparent player portraits (the face there is the same as in your av, just stuck on a Phillies uniform) and I think sometimes they forget to fix the transparency when they're done. Thome's looked like that last year.

rickiep00h
Aug 16, 2010



tadashi posted:

I keep forgetting I've read the whole Twins' preview because, in the back of my mind, I keep thinking "There's got to be something that was missed..." Poor Twins

Don't worry, there's enough of us around that you'll probably get 2-3 more, so when you forget that our pitching is a loving dumpster fire, someone will be along to remind you that our pitching is a loving dumpster fire.

Tharizdun
Jan 2, 2005

The Elder Elemental Eye
@npcdel


Strawberry Panda posted:

If the Miami Marlins preview isn't done tomorrow I'd like to take a swing at it (I have no idea which players are on the team anymore, but I don't think anyone really knows).
I'm trying to put something together, but it's crazy hard when the Phillies preview is the bar that's set. The one thing that pops out is 19 players on the 25 man roster are making the league-minimum.

dvorak
Sep 11, 2003

WARNING: Temporal rift detected!

That's probably the best way you could have related the current status of the Phillies to me. That was incredible.

Mr. Cool Ice
Mar 4, 2007

I Terrorism


I don't know, this is still my favorite.

Strawberry Panda
Nov 4, 2007

And God said, "Let there be Dingers!"


Tharizdun posted:

I'm trying to put something together, but it's crazy hard when the Phillies preview is the bar that's set. The one thing that pops out is 19 players on the 25 man roster are making the league-minimum.

Cool I'll wait for you to post yours first then i'll work on mine. I think my idea for it will be different enough that two previews for the Marlins will be justified (though I don't think any preview of the Marlins is justified).

Dr. Kyle Farnsworth
Apr 23, 2004

"He's a great baker. He's Betty Crocker. He makes the best peanut butter cookies ever."

The Marlins preview could pretty much be the Cleveland Indians roster from Major League. Or the Cleveland Indians roster from last year since they signed a couple dudes that can hit this year.

But ssirl's preview is amazing, agreed.

achillesforever6
Apr 23, 2012

Everyone talks about how awesome Achilles is, but did he ever made the god of war his bitch?


Sadly Diomedesforever6 just doesn't ring as well as Achillesforever6

Oh poo poo I am dumb

achillesforever6 fucked around with this message at Feb 23, 2013 around 00:02

JediGandalf
Sep 3, 2004

Savior


achillesforever6 posted:

I'm still eagerly awaiting the Pirates preview
http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...1#post412739432

867-530-NEIN!
Feb 21, 2006


rickiep00h posted:

Don't worry, there's enough of us around that you'll probably get 2-3 more, so when you forget that our pitching is a loving dumpster fire, someone will be along to remind you that our pitching is a loving dumpster fire.

I really regret not making a bigger deal of the fact that 4-5 of our positions are also a dumpster fire, albeit a smaller dumpster fire.

adaz
Mar 7, 2009




2013 Kansas City Royals

2012 in Review:

The bright side was "this is our year" was over really, really fast. It's nice when your team doesn't let that hope linger.



2013 Starting Lineup


Salvador Perez, C - .301/.328/.471 .340 wOBA in 305 PAs
A lot of folks are really, really high on Salvador Perez. You hear all sorts of crazy talk about him being the next Joe Mauer or Buster Posey. That is foolish of course, but in reality if he plays like he did last year that's a really nice piece to the puzzle and he could end up being one of the better catchers in the AL. As a bonus he is signed for a long time to a very team friendly contract which is a huge plus for them when the Royals end up trading him away in a few years after Dayton's been fired and the new GM has to restock the farm system. Oh, and he has to stay healthy that's the really important thing obviously and something that's been tough for him so far.

Also don't judge us for being so high on him, we had to watch the corpse of Jason Kendall for far, far too long.


Eric Hosmer, 1B - .232/.304/.359 .291 wOBA in 598 PAs
After mashing .293/.334/.465 and a .343 wOBA his first year Eric had one hell of a bad sophomore slump. Supposedly he identified a problem in his swing which involved his back leg moving and you know what who the gently caress knows. But needless to say it is absolutely critical he returns to form or the Royals are really, really, really hosed. Without him and Moustakas (more on him in a moment!) actually living up to their promise the Royals entire rebuilding plan is dead in the water and we're going to have to reset and give Dayton another 8-10 years!


Chris Getz, 2B - .275/.312/.360 .294 wOBA in 210 PAs
Positives: is not Yuniesky Bentancourt
Negatives: is Chris Getz, Generic Scrappy Buntin' Infielder with no bat and decent enough glove and no upside.

listen nobody is allowed to have nice 2nd baseman anymore and theoretically Getz is in a competition with Johnny Giavotella (.238/.270/.304 .254 wOBA) but well. Getz has scrap and slides head first, Giavotella has promise and could maybe actually become something. However Johnny also has options so I'm sure he's going to spend time in Omaha and Getz will have this job locked up.


Alcides Escobar, SS - .293/.331/.390 .316 wOBA in 648 PAs
Owns. Acquired in the Greinke trade (Along with CF Lorenzo Cain who we'll get to momentarily) Alcides has a good glove and hits decent enough for a SS, and really good when you considering the gaping hole that most teams have at SS in the AL. He's also fast - grabbed 35 bases last year with an 88% success rate.


Mike Moustakas, 3B - .242/.296/.412 .305 wOBA in 614 PAs
Moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooose. The other cornerstone of the process also hasn't done so well in the majors so far. His sophomore year was actually an improvement over his rookie year both offensive and defensively but fans are wanting more, and the team needs offensive production out of him. On the bright side his defense was absolutely fantastic last year so if his bat can catch up just a little there is some hope here. If. Hope. Royals. Etc. Unfortunately one of his best comps is Jeff loving Francoeuer hahhahahhahhahaha kill me


Jeff Francouer, RF - .235/.287/.278 .285 wOBA in 603 PAs
Depending on what fancy WAR IS BULLSHIT metric you use the worst regular position player in baseball. Funny story, part of the reason the Myers for Shields trade was so goddamn atrocious was if Myers had just been barely above league replacement he's likely worth more to the team than James Shields because he replaces the loving terrible poo poo that is Frenchy in right field. Of course, Myers projects to be much more than that. The lone bright spot with Frenchy - besides him being really nice to fans so hey there is that - is he has a Gun for an arm. And that is his lone bright spot. Well, supposedly according to far more knowledgeable baseball folks than me Frenchy would be not terrible in a platoon but the Royals adamantly refuse to believe in platooning players. So.

He's still probably going to get 600 PAs and be loving terrible. Also I think he's like the 2nd highest paid player on the Royals, I'd look it up but it depresses me. ALSO has anyone ever noticed how the Royals always manage to get "worst XXX player by WAR in baseball" playing for them? This year, ladies and gents, we have two. THE PROCESS.


Lorenzo Cain, CF - .266/.316/.419 .318 wOBA in 244 PAs
The other part of the Greinke trade and an infuriating guy to watch so far. He's not been awful but he has been constantly hurt and hey just got hurt, again, in spring training although it's supposedly minor. He is very quick, seems to be good defensively and his bat was coming around (even if he is apparently allergic to walks) but who knows if he can ever stay healthy enough. Honestly projects to be a pretty decent CF option if he stays healthy. IF>


Alex Gordon, LF - .294/.368/.455 .357 wOBA in 721 PAs
God bless Alex. Given up for dead prospect years ago he was converted from 3B to LF and has had a Renaissance becoming the Royals best player last 2 years. Not only can he hit - .160 ISO not a ton of power but 51 doubles sure is nice - but his defensive has been really impressive. I know, LF defense who cares but he really makes some fantastic plays gunning folks down who don't believe in his arm. Also, it's nice to see a guy like Alex - who struggled for years - actually turn into sneakily one of the best players in the AL.


Billy Butler, DH - .313/.373/.510 .377 wOBA in 679 PAs
BILLY SMASH. BILLY SMASH LOTS OF DOUBLES. Basically full time DH, although eh does play the occasional (Bad) 1B, Billy is everything that is wholesome and good about big players mashing little balls far far away. Also considering the complete and total lack of decent DH options a prime candidate to be traded away in a year or so when the Royals are sucking terribly and need to restock the farm system oh god let me enjoy this year at least. He also gave us one of the best moments of the year when an enraged Royals crowd completely and totally hosed with Cano causing him to go 0 for 10 in the home run derby. It was magical.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwYkl_hNPeg

Random Bench Dudes of Note


Jarrod Dyson, OF - .260/.328/.322 .291 wOBA in 330 PA
Why does he have a roster spot you ask? Because he is really, really, really loving fast. The amount of ridiculous speed plays he made last year is fairly incredible and because of this, he's going to end up on the roster and pinch run a lot. If Billy Butler is on the bases clogging them up towards the end of game Ned can't help himself.


Miguel Tejada, IF - .259/.325/.296 .283 wOBA in 151 PA with the Orioles AAA club
Yeah I don't give a poo poo what anyone says he's ending up on the club due to veteran grit I can read the signs as well as the next person, Dayton can't resist this poo poo


THE ROTATION


BIG GAME JAMES, SP - 3.52 ERA, 227.2 IP, 108 ERA+, 3.47 FIP
Sigh. Listen the Royals best pitcher the last two years has been Bruce Chen. Clearly an upgrade was needed but man Big Game James? He's good, he'll eat innings, and well he is what he is. However he is the key to the entire rotation as every single pitcher after him has serious question marks if they can start, be any good, or not be worst starting pitcher in baseball. Dayton has said, officially, that he wanted proven winners on the team and that's what James brings. So, you know, we got that going for us.


Jeremy Guthrie, SP - 4.76 ERA, 181.2 IP, 94 ERA+, 5.10 FIP
And so we start delving into the hope chest. Was awful with the Rockies, traded to the Royals in an exchange for last seasons rotation savior in Jonathan Sanchez. He finished his season in KC were he posted an almost sure to be fluke 3.16 ERA/130 ERA+ in 91.0 IP. His best ever year(s) were in 2007 & 2008 with the Oriles where he manged a 125 and 122 ERA+. IN reality, if he is even league average or close to it (what he manged in 2010 & 2011) then the Royals get lucky.


Ervin Santana, SP - 5.16 ERA, 178 IP, 73 ERA+, 5.63 FIP
Oh boy. Now we're scraping the bottom of the hope chest (and remember gentlemen this is the 3rd starter! Key Upgrade!). Ervin went from decent pitcher to "holy loving poo poo 18.9% HR/FB ratio" in the span of a single year. By most metrics he was the worst starting pitcher in baseball last year so, of course, the Royals signed him to be a key part of their off-season rotation plans.

The thing is, there are not a lot of comparisons for players having as bad of a season as his and coming back to be even league average. Your best case scenario comps are Bronson Arroyo and Jason Marquis. In all likelihood he returns to be somewhat league average starter the Royals are vastly overpaying... and that's a pretty good outcome!


Wade Davis, SP - 2.43 ERA, 70.1 IP, 157 ERA+, 2.78 FIP
The other part of the Myers trade. Davis went from being a barely average starter to a terror in the bullpen. Most of this vast increase in value is probably because he was able to throw harder - his velocities on his fastball were way up as a bullpen guy compared to a starter unsurprisingly. Is it sustainable? Who knows! Probably Not! In all likelihood they turned a great bullpen guy into a middling starter the royals


Luke Hochevar, SP - 5.73 ERA, 185.1 IP, 71 ERA+, 4.63 FIP
This is supposedly a three way battle between Hochevar, Bruce Chen, & Luis Mendoza with the losers becoming long relief men. Luke Hochevar is terrible, has been terrible since 2007 (fun note: his highest ERA+ in the bigs is 87) but the franchise is insistent HE IS TURNING IT AROUND and so is Luke, saying this time he finally found what is wrong with his delivery and blah blah blah he's terrible.

Should be Chen or Mendoza and likely will be a few months in when Hochevar is finally pulled but THEN AGAIN the franchise is so insistent on giving him innings (I mean seriously in 6 years he has pitched 771.0 IP with a 78 ERA+/5.39 career ERA what the gently caress) that who knows.

Bullpen Dudes Of Note


Tim Collins, RP - 3.36 ERA, 69.2 IP, 122 ERA+, 3.47
The bullpen is the definite strength of this team, and tiny tim is a pretty rad dude. I mean, what can you say? He's listed as 5 foot 7 but well, maybe in high heels.


Greg Holland, CLOSER - 2.96 ERA, 67.0 IP, 139 ERA+, 2.29
Has the unenviable job of replacing Joakim Soria (now in Texas), but was really, really good last year. Of course, bullpen guy, so will probably turn into a pumpkin but apparently a lot of his early mechanics problems were related to [url=http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130222&content_id=41888014&vkey=news_kc&c_id=kc[/url] a ribcage torque issue who the gently caress knows[/url]


Aaron Crow, RP - 3.48 ERA, 64.2 IP, 118 ERA+, 2.96 FIP
The former All Star is quite good! Also hey Crow.


Luis Mendoza, RP - 4.23 ERA, 166.0 IP, 97 ERA+, 4.28 FIP
Mendoza ended up being one of the better starters for the Royals last year and while officially is competing for the 5th starter spot the team has basically outright said they want him in Ned Yost long relief bullpen role along with Bruce Chen. He's had a Busy off-season pitching all over the world and will be pitching in the WBC as well.


Bruce Chen, RP - 5.07 ERA, 191.2 IP, 81 ERA+, 4.73 FIP
The best junkball leftball pitcher around, and gently caress you if you disagree. Sadly enough was probably the Royals best starter in 2011 before falling off a bit of a cliff last year. Officially in competition for starter role, unofficially will almost certainly join Mendoza in the bullpen for long relief.



2013 Outlook:

Best case scenario? Hosmer and Moustakas produce, Lorenzo Cain & Perez develop into above average hitters, the starters are at worst league average and the Royals bullpen carries them through the worst of it.

The reality is likely to be yet another year of poo poo followed by a wholesome replacement over the off-season and a fire sale in 2014.

adaz fucked around with this message at Feb 23, 2013 around 09:20

Mornacale
Dec 19, 2007

n=y where
y=hope and n=folly,
prospects=lies, win=lose,

self=Pirates


How the gently caress do you preview Bruce Chen without using the word "leftball"?

adaz
Mar 7, 2009



Get all angry about what he calls his pitch, but fine I guess it is sort of tradition around here!

soggybagel
Aug 6, 2006

Road conditions? Icey.
Seat belts? For pussies.
Ferrari? 360 Modena.
Speed? Not fast enou-
TREE! OH GOD OH GOD NO
I'M SO SORRY DEVIN


The Twins from my very low efforts of scouting actually may have some decent guys coming up through the system again. With that in mind, the team they will field this year is a tire fire. Like, 110 losses this year tire fire.

Strawberry Panda
Nov 4, 2007

And God said, "Let there be Dingers!"


soggybagel posted:

The Twins from my very low efforts of scouting actually may have some decent guys coming up through the system again. With that in mind, the team they will field this year is a tire fire. Like, 110 losses this year tire fire.

No one actually plays for the Marlins besides Stanton and even they won't lose 110 games.

soggybagel
Aug 6, 2006

Road conditions? Icey.
Seat belts? For pussies.
Ferrari? 360 Modena.
Speed? Not fast enou-
TREE! OH GOD OH GOD NO
I'M SO SORRY DEVIN


They lost 96 last year. They could easily lose 14 more.

Monicro
Oct 21, 2010

My wiener has never been so exhausted.

adaz posted:

the Myers for Shields trade was so goddamn atrocious

disagree

IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

There is no future. There is no past. Do you see? Time is simultaneous, an intricately structured jewel that humans insist on viewing one edge at a time, when the whole design is visible in every facet.

The Twins are probably better this year than they were last year.

Mornacale
Dec 19, 2007

n=y where
y=hope and n=folly,
prospects=lies, win=lose,

self=Pirates


soggybagel posted:

They lost 96 last year. They could easily lose 14 more.

They lost 93, and it's actually very difficult to get that much worse.

e: Also adaz I was joshin ya, sorry it came off like a jerk. I just meant that since Meet the Teams threads are in part for new posters, it would be good to have the Leftball mentioned.

IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

There is no future. There is no past. Do you see? Time is simultaneous, an intricately structured jewel that humans insist on viewing one edge at a time, when the whole design is visible in every facet.

Mornacale posted:

They lost 93, and it's actually very difficult to get that much worse.



SWITCH HITLER
Nov 11, 2009

eduardo please put that down

this will only end in tears


Will leftball be the only thing I ever contribute to the forums? Signs point to yes.

tadashi
Feb 20, 2006



If nobody does the Red Sox in a couple days, I might take a stab at it. I'm kind of interested in looking more into them, anyway. I think, while they're probably not a contender they might not be nearly as bad as some people seem to think.

Mornacale
Dec 19, 2007

n=y where
y=hope and n=folly,
prospects=lies, win=lose,

self=Pirates



Huh. I swear to god B-R had them at 93, I don't know what the gently caress (other than I am a dumb, sorry).

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ZenVulgarity
Oct 9, 2012


Oh my God Erwin Santana's ERA+ and FIP

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