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MrAristocrates
Feb 13, 2012

Songbird, Songbird, see him fly
Drop the children from the sky
When the young ones misbehave
Escorts children to their grave




Here we are, the long-awaited/dreaded Inspector Spacetime convention episode. I know a rather large portion of this thread finds the entire joke overplayed, with a decent share of the blame going to the goddamn fans, but let's try to keep ourselves optimistic, alright? Please be civil. Now:

This Week's Curriculum: Conventions of Space and Time
The study group goes to the annual Inspector Spacetime Convention; Annie enjoys the luxuries of the hotel; Jeff spends time with an Inspector Spacetime fan in the bar. (zap2it)

Greendale Students!







Presenting Greendale's Wonderful Dean!



Do Not Allow On Campus:



(I still think that this is a pretty funny picture)

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Klungar
Feb 12, 2008

Klungo make bessst ever video game, 'Hero Klungo Sssavesss Teh World.'


Well, expectations have been sufficiently lowered by critics, so this hopefully shouldn't be too disappointing if it ends up being as bad as they've said it was.

Jim Silly-Balls
Jun 6, 2001

Fuck me in the ass and tell me I'm pretty.


My thought is everyone was eye rolling about the hunger games riff before the premiere came out, and they totally downplayed it and brought out other story elements. Hopefully this wont be "REMEMBER INSPECTOR SPACETIME GUYS?????" and more "inspector spacetime convention" as a backdrop to wacky hijinx

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

He's always
right there.


I'm just not really sure what to expect going into it other than Troy and Abed nerding out, and everyone else being confused by all of the other convention goers. I'm not really looking forward to this episode at all, but I'll still watch it.

bowser
Apr 7, 2007

God, I LOVE being a turtle!


Inspector Spacetime should have been a one time joke, or a recurring gag with occasional snippets of the show. The whole Dreamatorium plotline was pretty embarrassing for the most part. The sad part is I think a community at Comic-Con type episode would actually be incredible, but I imagine the licensing issues would make that impossible.

OmniBeer
Jun 5, 2011

This is no time to
remain stagnant!

I am.. Mildly not looking forward to this, especially after reviews, but I figure I'll try to stay optimistic.

And this is as a person who LOVES Dr. Who, and chuckled when Inspector Spacetime first popped up. "Oh, huh, amusing reference."

Brace yourselves, everyone.

Factor Mystic
Mar 19, 2006

Baby's First Post-Apocalyptic Fiction

I haven't read any advanced reviews of this episode, so I choose to remain optimistic that the writers have seen own Inspect Spacetime has grown outside the show and instead of celebrating it choose to burn it to the ground.


EvilHawk
Sep 15, 2009
This space
intentionally
left blank

Hopefully this ep will bump the viewing figures up a bit more, it's something the Tumblr crowd have been waiting for for ages.

I'm not too bothered about the theme, after the Hunger Games in the opener I'm confident it'll be more adventures in a convention rather than "hey look at this not-Doctor Who thing"

Irish Joe
Jul 23, 2007

"I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Astapor the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood."
-Daenerys Targaryen, Mother of Dragons

Remember, this episode is so good that, out of the season's 12 episodes, this is the one producers decided to give to critics. Assuming the producers want this show to succeed, that means this episode is objectively the best episode of the season.

ETB
Nov 8, 2009

Yeah, I'm that guy.


bowser posted:

Inspector Spacetime should have been a one time joke, or a recurring gag with occasional snippets of the show. The whole Dreamatorium plotline was pretty embarrassing for the most part. The sad part is I think a community at Comic-Con type episode would actually be incredible, but I imagine the licensing issues would make that impossible.

It was a recurring gag much like the Cougartown references in season 2. The majority of the Dreamatorium episode was in Annie's drama hospital and really only used Inspector Spacetime as a plot device, not the actual focus of the episode (i.e., Abed and Annie's desires to control their lives and those around them).

Cloks
Jan 31, 2013


I'm going to be cautiously optimistic about this. I wasn't expecting "an episode all about Pulp Fiction" to be that great and it turned out to be a well done homage to one of my favorite movies so this could be better than it sounds as well.

lelandjs
Feb 18, 2011

Lets see... what shall I post today?


Irish Joe posted:

Remember, this episode is so good that, out of the season's 12 episodes, this is the one producers decided to give to critics. Assuming the producers want this show to succeed, that means this episode is objectively the best episode of the season.

Or maybe they thought it would be a good one to give to critics because it features special guest stars. Or maybe because it was one of the most "out there" episodes this season and they wanted to convince people that they weren't gonna dumb down the show. Or maybe they gave critics the first and third episodes of the season as the preview episodes because the second one wasn't ready yet.

There are a myriad of reasons that they could have given this episode to critics. They probably didn't think it was the best one of the season. Honestly, it probably just was that it was the second episode to be ready in time for the screeners to be sent out.

That all said, the episode does seem like it's acknowledging a fringe faction of the fandom and episodes of TV shows that do that almost never end up being good episodes of television.

Beardless Riker
Apr 14, 2005



Irish Joe posted:

Remember, this episode is so good that, out of the season's 12 episodes, this is the one producers decided to give to critics. Assuming the producers want this show to succeed, that means this episode is objectively the best episode of the season.

I don't think you understand what 'objectively' means in this sentence

LSD-25
Jan 26, 2007
Lysergic Acid Diethylamide: C20H25N3O

Didn't Britta introduce Abed to Inspector Spacetime? There was a line last episode from her saying something like "tell me more about this tv show," which I thought was weird since she was the first person in the group to watch it. Not sure what episode it was from but I think it was pretty early on.

EvilTobaccoExec
Dec 22, 2003

Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot, so my disguise must be able to strike terror into their hearts!

LSD-25 posted:

Didn't Britta introduce Abed to Inspector Spacetime? There was a line last episode from her saying something like "tell me more about this tv show," which I thought was weird since she was the first person in the group to watch it. Not sure what episode it was from but I think it was pretty early on.

She introduced Abed to the show knowing it has a bunch of episodes after the failing of Cougertown Abbey, and in the most recent episode she tells Troy "I've never seen a full episode". No real inconsistency.

OctoberCountry
Oct 9, 2012


Alison Brie was on last night's episode of The Daily Show and they played a brief clip from this episode. Apparently Jeff looks just like a previously unmentioned Inspector Spacetime villain, Thoraxis, who, going by a picture in the background, is a green Joel McHale with mantis claws.

They ran the Inspector Spacetime gag into the ground last year. Going into this season I've been worried that the new showrunners would attempt to lessen any backlash by pandering to the fanbase and leaning too heavily on old running jokes, and hearing about this episode's plot doesn't exactly fill me with tons of optimism.

Jim Silly-Balls
Jun 6, 2001

Fuck me in the ass and tell me I'm pretty.


LSD-25 posted:

Didn't Britta introduce Abed to Inspector Spacetime? There was a line last episode from her saying something like "tell me more about this tv show," which I thought was weird since she was the first person in the group to watch it. Not sure what episode it was from but I think it was pretty early on.

She only did it because she knew it had been on the air since the 60's and had a ton of episodes, unlike cougarton abbey, which only ran for a season. She didnt really know anything about the show, it was just a surefire fix to the cougarton abbey problem, which was a terrible fix to the cougartown problem

Volume
May 2, 2008

My gimmick is stale and I should get a new one, but I have less imagination than a small cartoon boy.


I know this is the Inspector Spacetime Episode thread but I have to say that I thought the halloween episode was a huge improvement over the season opener. So even if this episode is a huge flop, I'll still hold out to see how the rest of the season goes.

That said though, I'm not too optomistic because this feels like it's going for another "cram a lot of poo poo in" like the season premier.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."


I'm wondering if this Halloween episode had been the season 3 one, it'd be getting a lot less poo poo.

bad day
Mar 26, 2012

I CAN'T SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT HOW MUCH I LOVE CLOPPING TO PONIES; PLEASE KILL ME

Has anyone else noticed that there's a really drastically different camera and lighting style this season? I still love watching but it doesn't even look like the same show anymore.

Edit: when I was a kid in 1986 a Doctor Who convention came to my town. It was AWESOME.

Chamberk
Jan 11, 2004

when there is nothing left to burn you have to set yourself on fire


bad day posted:

Has anyone else noticed that there's a really drastically different camera and lighting style this season? I still love watching but it doesn't even look like the same show anymore.


This is probably due to budget cuts. Back in season 1 they had a lot more money to play with.

thexerox123
Aug 17, 2007



Chamberk posted:

This is probably due to budget cuts. Back in season 1 they had a lot more money to play with.

The camerawork and lighting are somewhat different, but I really doubt it would have anything to do with budget cuts, they'd still more than likely have the same sets/cameras/lights available to them.

I think the changes are more likely to be related to the fact that they lost/replaced 3 executive producers, the showrunner, and another producer between seasons 3 and 4.

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004



thexerox123 posted:

The camerawork and lighting are somewhat different, but I really doubt it would have anything to do with budget cuts, they'd still more than likely have the same sets/cameras/lights available to them.

I think the changes are more likely to be related to the fact that they lost/replaced 3 executive producers, the showrunner, and another producer between seasons 3 and 4.

No, it's pretty clear they don't have access to a lot of sets from season one (the most notable being the actual college campus + parking lot), and they hardly ever shoot anything on location (eg any restaurant/bar besides little restaurant set they went to a lot in season 3).

Everything after season two looks a lot cheaper, I think.

MrAristocrates
Feb 13, 2012

Songbird, Songbird, see him fly
Drop the children from the sky
When the young ones misbehave
Escorts children to their grave


Last Chance posted:

No, it's pretty clear they don't have access to a lot of sets from season one (the most notable being the actual college campus + parking lot), and they hardly ever shoot anything on location (eg any restaurant/bar besides little restaurant set they went to a lot in season 3).

Everything after season two looks a lot cheaper, I think.

They haven't shot anything on location since Season 1. They've been confined entirely to sets, or (rarely) a park right outside the Paramount lot. In fact, I'm reasonably certain that the bar set from Mixology Certification was borrowed from a different show.

thexerox123
Aug 17, 2007



Last Chance posted:

No, it's pretty clear they don't have access to a lot of sets from season one (the most notable being the actual college campus + parking lot), and they hardly ever shoot anything on location (eg any restaurant/bar besides little restaurant set they went to a lot in season 3).

I don't disagree with you, but what does the lack of on-location shooting have to do with the original question?

bad day posted:

Has anyone else noticed that there's a really drastically different camera and lighting style this season?

My point was, in the premiere, for example, they were probably still shooting in the exact same cafeteria/hallway sets as before, with the same cameras and lights available to them. Budget cuts/the lack of other locations shouldn't have any effect on how the camera and lighting styles look in those scenes.

thexerox123 fucked around with this message at Feb 21, 2013 around 16:35

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004



thexerox123 posted:

I don't disagree with you, but what does the lack of on-location shooting have to do with the original question?


My point was, in the premiere, for example, they were probably still shooting in the exact same cafeteria/hallway sets as before, with the same cameras and lights available to them. Budget cuts/the lack of other locations shouldn't have any effect on how the camera and lighting styles look in those scenes.

Oh, I didn't know you meant the same sets+lighting+cameras as a package, because it's clear the number of sets has been slashed.

Still, though, it's entirely possible that the crew numbers are smaller too (hence a dip in production quality) since their budget is now approximately a few nickels.

emoticon
May 8, 2007


The_Doctor posted:

I'm wondering if this Halloween episode had been the season 3 one, it'd be getting a lot less poo poo.

No, because the biggest problem with this season is that they are trying to imitate (successfully or not) season 3, which was far from universally loved.

AlliedBiscuit
Oct 23, 2012


MrAristocrates posted:

They haven't shot anything on location since Season 1. They've been confined entirely to sets, or (rarely) a park right outside the Paramount lot. In fact, I'm reasonably certain that the bar set from Mixology Certification was borrowed from a different show.

They shot on location a bit, at least. The season finale paintball episodes in season 2 looked like it was back at LA City College. They shot all around the Universal backlot for the flashback episode, as well. But looking back on it, I guess they haven't set much of the show outdoors since season 1. And when they do it's in places they probably just filmed at the studio.

MrAristocrates
Feb 13, 2012

Songbird, Songbird, see him fly
Drop the children from the sky
When the young ones misbehave
Escorts children to their grave


AlliedBiscuit posted:

They shot on location a bit, at least. The season finale paintball episodes in season 2 looked like it was back at LA City College. They shot all around the Universal backlot for the flashback episode, as well. But looking back on it, I guess they haven't set much of the show outdoors since season 1. And when they do it's in places they probably just filmed at the studio.

Nope. That was in the park on the Paramount lot. I know this because in the Season 3 commentaries they repeatedly and explicitly say "we haven't been off the lot in 2 years." Borrowing sets is a completely different matter.

AlliedBiscuit
Oct 23, 2012


MrAristocrates posted:

Nope. That was in the park on the Paramount lot. I know this because in the Season 3 commentaries they repeatedly and explicitly say "we haven't been off the lot in 2 years." Borrowing sets is a completely different matter.

Crazy. I think, having rewatched the first 2 seasons back to back they all blended together. They do still use the map of LA City College as the official map of Greendale, though.

In other news, I'm hitting up Paleyfest for the third year in a row! Time to get my Community poster autographed by the rest of the cast :-).

Twee as Fuck
Nov 13, 2012

Let's be friends again, TV IV!

I swear I won't be an obnoxious fanboy who posts every dumb thought in my head! And I super-swear I'll think before I say something racist! Honest!

Guys?

Guys?

WHY AREN'T YOU PAYING ATTENTION TO ME GUYS?


Am I the only one who found the 'Ring' costume intro to be jarring?

I loved the rest of that episode, but I really hated that 2 second visual and wish they'd cut it

Mexcillent
Dec 5, 2008


Twee as gently caress posted:

Am I the only one who found the 'Ring' costume intro to be jarring?

I loved the rest of that episode, but I really hated that 2 second visual and wish they'd cut it

Kind of hated the whole episode but that really was the gateway to me not liking it.

bad day
Mar 26, 2012

I CAN'T SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT HOW MUCH I LOVE CLOPPING TO PONIES; PLEASE KILL ME

thexerox123 posted:

My point was, in the premiere, for example, they were probably still shooting in the exact same cafeteria/hallway sets as before, with the same cameras and lights available to them. Budget cuts/the lack of other locations shouldn't have any effect on how the camera and lighting styles look in those scenes.

I wasn't really talking about the sets - look at any frame from this season compared with an older one. Colors are brighter. Lighting differences are more dramatic. Shots in general are tighter, there are more stylistic edits. Even the blocking is different. I'm not complaining, it's just there seems to be a big aesthetic difference in how they shoot the show.

thexerox123
Aug 17, 2007



bad day posted:

I wasn't really talking about the sets - look at any frame from this season compared with an older one. Colors are brighter. Lighting differences are more dramatic. Shots in general are tighter, there are more stylistic edits. Even the blocking is different. I'm not complaining, it's just there seems to be a big aesthetic difference in how they shoot the show.

Yeah, that's what I was saying, that they're definitely differences that are more likely to be due to changes in the creative team rather than budget cuts.

Twee as Fuck
Nov 13, 2012

Let's be friends again, TV IV!

I swear I won't be an obnoxious fanboy who posts every dumb thought in my head! And I super-swear I'll think before I say something racist! Honest!

Guys?

Guys?

WHY AREN'T YOU PAYING ATTENTION TO ME GUYS?


Oh boy, here we go

Alfred P. Pseudonym
May 29, 2006

Not my super big screen!


Oh boy, it's time for this thing I'll probably hate

In It For The Tank
Feb 17, 2011

But I've yet to figure out a better way to spend my time.


Totally wanna do that.

MrAristocrates
Feb 13, 2012

Songbird, Songbird, see him fly
Drop the children from the sky
When the young ones misbehave
Escorts children to their grave


Okay, I liked that.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.




Hey, Matt Walsh!

Hey, Britta in her underwear!

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MrAristocrates
Feb 13, 2012

Songbird, Songbird, see him fly
Drop the children from the sky
When the young ones misbehave
Escorts children to their grave


I love donuts.

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