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Please try to avoid having this be a discussion of if you think weed should be legal or not. It's been getting fast enough posting that I figured it might warrant its own thread now. Also I might be blind because I couldn't find the DRUGS tag, so if it was just me being blind mods feel free to change it. TMZ.com posted:WWE star Jack Swagger was arrested last night in Mississippi, TMZ has learned -- after allegedly driving under the influence ... with pot in his car. http://www.tmz.com/2013/02/20/wwe-s...fic-violations/ This is notable because being arrested for a drug can be considered a violation of the Wellness Policy and, if WWE chooses to do so, could mean Swagger is going to be in Aces and Eights. Especially since Swagger has been making headlines in mainstream news due to his Tea Party gimmick. I'll try to update the OP with more information if/when more details or responses come out.
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| # ? Feb 20, 2013 23:09 |
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| # ? May 21, 2013 23:53 |
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He's really dumb. But hey at least he won the ELIMINATION CHAMBER in the least impressive way possible so it will be believable if/when he's back to jobbing next week.
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| # ? Feb 20, 2013 23:13 |
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He's a loving moron who might as well have skinned up with his golden ticket.
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| # ? Feb 20, 2013 23:23 |
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Great White Hope posted:This is notable because being arrested for a drug can be considered a violation of the Wellness Policy and, if WWE chooses to do so, could mean Swagger is going to be in Aces and Eights. Especially since Swagger has been making headlines in mainstream news due to his Tea Party gimmick. A while back I was going to sarcastically suggest in one of the TNA threads that they were just dragging the A&8's storyline out until they could get a high-profile WWE castoff to be the leader, but if that turns out to actually be the case then holy hell will I just die laughing. Especially if Swagger is the guy they end up going with.
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| # ? Feb 20, 2013 23:23 |
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He's hosed.
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| # ? Feb 20, 2013 23:24 |
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What's Jake Hager doing in
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| # ? Feb 20, 2013 23:27 |
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Scirocco Griffon posted:A while back I was going to sarcastically suggest in one of the TNA threads that they were just dragging the A&8's storyline out until they could get a high-profile WWE castoff to be the leader, but if that turns out to actually be the case then holy hell will I just die laughing. Especially if Swagger is the guy they end up going with. Thankfully, Swagger won't have to worry about pesky things like "Wellness Policies" in TNA!  E: Also, I think most of us have held that belief at one time or another (regarding the "leader" of As&8s).
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| # ? Feb 20, 2013 23:27 |
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This is the best thing to happen to Dolph Ziggler in months.
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| # ? Feb 20, 2013 23:29 |
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Guess we'll see what the WWE do but its sad that the guys been given a great opportunity and he's basically pissed it away. As I said ablit jokingly this is why WWE must be so hesitant to push people at times.
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| # ? Feb 20, 2013 23:30 |
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Really, if they want to do a favor to Uncle Zeb, they might as well make Ziggler his manager. Ziggler doesn't need help on the mic, but having a manager, muscle, a valet, and a big match at the biggest PPV will make him look legitimate.
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| # ? Feb 20, 2013 23:31 |
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Since the Wellness policy and all that I can see why they want to protect their image, but do you really think they'd fire him for a misdemeanor pot charge?
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| # ? Feb 20, 2013 23:34 |
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Section 14 of the Wellness Policy posted:Any WWE Talent, who is arrested, convicted or who admits to a violation of law relating to use, possession, purchase, sale or distribution of drugs will be in material breach of his/her contract with WWE and subject to immediate dismissal.
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| # ? Feb 20, 2013 23:35 |
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One thing that's been touched on but bears repeating, is just how badly Vince must be seething over this whole thing right now. Not just because of the fact that Vince dislikes potheads, but because the Swagger gimmick was starting to get him some of that sweet, sweet MAINSTREAM MEDIA PUBLICITY that wasn't about dead wrestlers, wrestlers with drugs, or dead wrestlers with drugs. Then Swagger has to go and torpedo that because of his love for the devil weed. Vince must be like Randall Flagg near the end of "The Stand" right about now, where he's going crazy over the smallest poo poo.The Landstander posted:This is the best thing to happen to Dolph Ziggler in months. I also like the idea of Mark Henry coming out, beating Swagger to a pulp, and declaring himself #1 contender. I can see Vince doing it, too, because Henry is well-known for keeping as far away from the guys who like to drink and/or do drugs during his time in WWE. I could see Vince putting the title on him for that reason alone. Some Other Guy posted:Since the Wellness policy and all that I can see why they want to protect their image, but do you really think they'd fire him for a misdemeanor pot charge? One of the provisions of the WP is a clause that allows them to terminate the contract of any talent arrested on drug-related charges, so they're well within their rights to do so. E: Kifisonfire posted:It will be interesting to see if they actually enforce this, especially with the Sammartino relationship building up again. Either way this is hilarious. That's another angle I hadn't considered, one of the big sticking points for Bruno was wrestlers doing drugs, which Vince largely turned a blind eye to back in the 1980s. Unless they want to risk pissing Bruno off, they almost have to shitcan Swagger now. Sydney Bottocks fucked around with this message at Feb 20, 2013 around 23:38 |
| # ? Feb 20, 2013 23:35 |
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drat Zeb Coulter and his moonshine!
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| # ? Feb 20, 2013 23:41 |
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I'd prefer pretty much anyone else they could put Del Rio with other than Henry. Mostly Ziggler, but Henry's the fifth worst worker in the main roster behind Khali, Miz, Otunga, and Brodus Clay.
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| # ? Feb 20, 2013 23:42 |
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They've got their Wrestlemania match set, if Swagger had crashed his car and ended up in a coma then Vince would be trying to think of a way to roll him to the ring for Alberto to lay on top of him. They'll probably punish him backstage until such times as he is no longer needed for the main event.
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| # ? Feb 20, 2013 23:42 |
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Devil Child posted:I'd prefer pretty much anyone else they could put Del Rio with other than Henry. Mostly Ziggler, but Henry's the fifth worst worker in the main roster behind Khali, Miz, Otunga, and Brodus Clay. But Henry is at least functional in that he can serve the angle, and is a pretty decent ratings draw at that.
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| # ? Feb 20, 2013 23:45 |
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:But Henry is at least functional in that he can serve the angle, and is a pretty decent ratings draw at that. Henry got slightly improved ratings for like a few weeks. He didn't move the needle even slightly for live gates or PPVs, and since the show's already going to do great business without having to stick an immobile, ancient hoss in the main event, there's no good reason not to use this opportunity to stick someone who can actually work and has a future in that spot.
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| # ? Feb 20, 2013 23:49 |
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If Taker still hasn't made up his mind, they could always stick Punk with Del Rio.
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| # ? Feb 20, 2013 23:49 |
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:But Henry is at least functional in that he can serve the angle, and is a pretty decent ratings draw at that. And he's the least likely (with the exception of Punk and some of the other bigger-name guys) to get busted for a drugs or alcohol-related offense while holding the title, which I'm sure is at least a point or two in his favor. (not that I'm saying Ziggler is likely to commit such an offense, mind you; I'd have no problem if Vince picked this moment to let him finally get a title run.  )
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| # ? Feb 20, 2013 23:49 |
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It'll never cease to amaze me how people simultaneously poo poo on WWE for not pushing new names while fawning over every huge push WWE gives to immobile, ancient hosses. They might as well put Kane back in the main event if Henry's a viable contender.
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| # ? Feb 20, 2013 23:51 |
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Devil Child posted:It'll never cease to amaze me how people simultaneously poo poo on WWE for not pushing new names while fawning over every huge push WWE gives to immobile, ancient hosses. They might as well put Kane back in the main event if Henry's a viable contender. Mark Henry is awesome what the hell are you talking about
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| # ? Feb 20, 2013 23:53 |
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Name one other singles heel that has some semblence of credability that could be rushed into a WHC program for an emergancy. Use the hand you're dealt with.
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| # ? Feb 20, 2013 23:54 |
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God drat you Swagger for ruining a good storyline.
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| # ? Feb 20, 2013 23:55 |
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sportsgenius86 posted:Mark Henry is awesome what the hell are you talking about No poo poo, I mean it's not like anyone's calling for loving Khali to get a shot or anything. Henry can put on a good match with the right opponent, has a credible gimmick, and (most importantly to Vince) does what he's asked and isn't going to gently caress up a push by smoking an entire forest of marijuana or whatever. Jack Anderson posted:God drat you Swagger for ruining a good storyline. This too, Swagger ruined what was potentially the best gimmick WWE's come up with in ages (because it was upsetting Fox News).
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| # ? Feb 20, 2013 23:57 |
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I like Mark Henry's gimmick but he's a really bad worker if asked to do longer, back and forth matches, which is important if you're in the world title mix.
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| # ? Feb 20, 2013 23:58 |
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sportsgenius86 posted:Mark Henry is awesome what the hell are you talking about His matches are incredibly bad almost all the time, and even his best matches are something like ***. He was brought into the company with a fantastic contract he didn't deserve. He gets injured constantly, derailing all the momentum of his angles. He's difficult for good workers to perform even basic offense on due to his weight. He's really old, so any effort put into building him up'll only be good for a few years at most. He's not a safe worker. He's never drawn. He's constantly given pushes even though he's been in the bottom five of the companies workers his entire career. His WHC run went exactly as I predicted it would, with no one who needed the rub getting it at any point, and Henry getting injured before the angle could finish. I can keep going on with this for awhile. Manic_Misanthrope posted:Name one other singles heel that has some semblence of credability that could be rushed into a WHC program for an emergancy. Use the hand you're dealt with. They could stick Del Rio in their with a wet sack of crap, or if they're really desperate, they could turn Miz. They have the Rock in the main event of Wrestlemania. edit: Sydney Bottocks posted:No poo poo, I mean it's not like anyone's calling for loving Khali to get a shot or anything. Henry was the worst worker in the company after they fired Nathan Jones until they brought Khali in. He's had two decent matches in his entire career, and I still wouldn't call either of them good. He's a very bad worker who's bad. I'd be fine with him being used to give someone else the rub at this point since they've worked so hard building him up and he's gonna get injured again in like three months, but I'd much rather see matches that don't blow. Devil Child fucked around with this message at Feb 21, 2013 around 00:06 |
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Mark Henry is not "really bad". Really bad implies things like constant botches, injuring opponents accidentally because you don't know how to take care of them, etc. I will grant you that his matches are not super exciting, and he's kind of slow, but the man is near 400lbs, mostly muscle. The fact that he's as good as he is is kind of amazing, especially considering the bullshit the WWE has booked him into. Also, he had a perfectly fine match with Randy Orton when he won the title. It depends who he's in there with.Devil Child posted:His matches are incredibly bad almost all the time, and even his best matches are something like ***. He was brought into the company with a fantastic contract he didn't deserve. He gets injured constantly, derailing all the momentum of his angles. He's difficult for good workers to perform even basic offense on due to his weight. He's really old, so any effort put into building him up'll only be good for a few years at most. He's not a safe worker. He's never drawn. He's constantly given pushes even though he's been in the bottom five of the companies workers his entire career. His WHC run went exactly as I predicted it would, with no one who needed the rub getting it at any point, and Henry getting injured before the angle could finish. -Not a safe worker? Who has he injured? -Yes, he's injury prone, in part because the company keeps asking him to do stuff like participate in WSM events where he has to gain weight, then ask him to lose weight after he's done to suit their purposes. -Nobody in the company is a "draw". That's one of the big problems in the industry in general, right now. -Daniel Bryan performed his offense on him just fine during their feud. - I find it funny that you poo poo on Henry, who works hard and has worked hard to become better in the ring, but think a better replacement for Swags would be Miz, who has managed to regress as a worker since his WWE title run. The man can't even put on a figure 4 lock, something people I went to loving elementary school could do while looking less clumsy. I also find it funny that you crap on Henry for having had a big contract he didn't deserve, yet Miz, who got his deal based on his Real World fame is a-okay? gently caress outta here with that poo poo. El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at Feb 21, 2013 around 00:15 |
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Devil Child posted:His WHC run went exactly as I predicted it would, with no one who needed the rub getting it at any point, and Henry getting injured before the angle could finish. Right, because Daniel Bryan sure didn't benefit from that feud. No sir.  I'm sorry you don't like Mark Henry. What a joyless, Hall of Pain-less hell you live in.
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| # ? Feb 21, 2013 00:06 |
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All the Henry talk is just idle speculation, anyways; we won't know what is gonna happen to Swagger until next week (if then, even). I personally don't see Swagger getting a WM payday, but anything can happen in the WWE!
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| # ? Feb 21, 2013 00:08 |
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Seriously, I can't come up with a save here. The set up was perfect, A racist ultra-nationalist takes on a Mexican hero. The skits would have been gold and the match would have been amazing. It would have been beautiful, and Swagger killed it. Unless WWE ignores the arrest, which is also likely. 
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| # ? Feb 21, 2013 00:11 |
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Sydney Bottocks posted:All the Henry talk is just idle speculation, anyways; we won't know what is gonna happen to Swagger until next week (if then, even). I personally don't see Swagger getting a WM payday, but anything can happen in the WWE! They'll turn it into the oppression by government forces on our liberties enshrined in the constitution over what we can or can't put into our own body. We the people. This will run the risk of turning him face.
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| # ? Feb 21, 2013 00:11 |
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 God dammit Swagger...
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| # ? Feb 21, 2013 00:11 |
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Mark Henry is not "really bad". Really bad implies things like constant botches, injuring opponents accidentally because you don't know how to take care of them, etc. I will grant you that his matches are not super exciting, and he's kind of slow, but the man is near 400lbs, mostly muscle. The fact that he's as good as he is is kind of amazing, especially considering the bullshit the WWE has booked him into. Also, he had a perfectly fine match with Randy Orton when he won the title. It depends who he's in there with. Given that Henry has an arsenal of like three moves, no cardio, constantly injures himself, and injured Batista right before 'Mania 21, it's pretty safe to say he fits the definition of "really bad" unless you want to compare every crappy hoss to Khali. Henry's matches with Randy Orton were something like *1/2 a piece, substantially less exciting than CM Punks awful matches with Ryback, and occurred during a period when Orton was busting **** a PPV until he got in there with Henry. T3hRen3gade posted:Right, because Daniel Bryan sure didn't benefit from that feud. No sir. DBD didn't benefit from that feud. Henry decisively won every encounter they had aside from that cage match where DBD ran away from him and Big Show. It was probably the worst series of DBD matches I've ever seen aside from maybe his Kamala feud, and he sure as hell didn't benefit from Henry in any way during that awful angle.
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| # ? Feb 21, 2013 00:13 |
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Jack Anderson posted:Seriously, I can't come up with a save here. The set up was perfect, A racist ultra-nationalist takes on a Mexican hero. The skits would have been gold and the match would have been amazing. It would have been beautiful, and Swagger killed it. I just don't see Vince ignoring the arrest considering the whole Bruno thing, and the fact that they've been claiming to have a "clean, family friendly" image for some time now. I could see him ignoring it if Swagger had just gotten busted for pot on a piss test, but the fact that he got arrested for it right in the middle of one of the highest-profile gimmicks WWE's had in a while...I just don't see Vince deciding to be lenient on Swagger for the sake of a WM match that likely wasn't going to attract many buys to begin with.
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| # ? Feb 21, 2013 00:17 |
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Bear in mind, Swagger was getting torn down on Fox News. They're going to jump all over this. There is NO CHANCE IN HELL Vince is ignoring this. The best Swaggie can hope for is staying on until Mania.
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| # ? Feb 21, 2013 00:19 |
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Devil Child posted:Given that Henry has an arsenal of like three moves, no cardio, constantly injures himself, and injured Batista right before 'Mania 21, it's pretty safe to say he fits the definition of "really bad" unless you want to compare every crappy hoss to Khali. -Having lots of moves means gently caress all. Nova had lots of moves. Big loving deal. -He's 400lbs and has pretty good cardio considering he's 41. -Batista is one of the biggest roid abusers the company has ever employed. He's also incrediby injury prone himself, the man tore a bicep jogging for fucks' sake. Literally could have happened to anybody. -The fact that Orton was on a great match streak had more to do with working Christian, one of the steadiest hands in the company, not that Orton is some super-worker. And the Orton-Henry matches are good. -Yeah, Dragon didn't benefit from the feud. It's not like he got to be world champ for 6 months, develop the most intense heat he's ever had face or heel (which he still benefits from today), and managed to get over another person (AJ) at the same time...oh wait, all those things happened. And you are literally the only person I know who disliked the 3 way feud between Show, Henry and Bryan. It was a reason to watch Smackdown, and it helped elevate Bryan.
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| # ? Feb 21, 2013 00:23 |
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VogeGandire posted:Bear in mind, Swagger was getting torn down on Fox News. They're going to jump all over this. There is NO CHANCE IN HELL Vince is ignoring this. The best Swaggie can hope for is staying on until Mania. If he's absolutely lucky, he'll get bounced out of the Del Rio feud, jobbed out harder than Iron Mike Sharpe, and then terminated the day after WM. Like you said, I just can't see them sweeping this under the rug, let alone letting Swagger get a WM payday out of it, even if he loses to ADR faster than DB lost to Sheamus in the last WM WHC title match.
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| # ? Feb 21, 2013 00:25 |
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I feel bad that probably the biggest push of his life has basically been ruined, but he has nobody to blame but himself for this. Goddammit.
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| # ? May 21, 2013 23:53 |
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I will not have you badmouth Nova in this thread, sir.
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