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Previously I asked a question about moving to a new city, which after some encouraging words from previous goons, I did. I've been in a new city in a new state for some time and it's been a real treat, I've enjoyed being a free bird in a sense and just doing what I want. Luckily I was moved here with my work and just work at the new cities office. The one issue though is I want to move jobs. Basically I work in advertising/marketing and I work on the agency side of things, but now I would like to move across to the client side, I've only been in the industry for 18 months, and at 23 I know that nothing is permanent at this age as I need to establish my career which could mean a lot of movement job wise. After a few meetings with our clients I realise that their job is a bit more what I would like to do, as a result in a month i'm going to meet with a recruiter who does recruitment for this city and the one I come from. Not only that but I do get underpaid for my role compared to 80% of the same positions in other agencies/client sides and some day I do things that a really not my job at all, and although this is a petty reason it does make me feel like I'm not living up to the potential I have for this industry. So what i'm asking is that if I get a job how do I be professional about telling my boss about this? This is the first agency I've worked for as I started straight out of Uni, so I've never had to leave a place either. The circumstances I'm in are: - I'd have only been in the new city for 2-4 months when I want to do this. (I'm going to stay with the agency for a little longer, I don't want to be all "Hey thanks for moving me...now Im outta here!"). - My boss who i've also become friends with somewhat has mentored me and really been a teacher and older male role model for me. - They invested money in moving me, and gave me a moving bonus, which I feel bad about just up and leaving after they did all that. - I feel that if I get a job with a good client back in my hometown they will see it as me being ungrateful, and in the advertising/marketing industry you never want to burn bridges. One suggestion from a friend was to get a job offer, tell my boss and see if they offer me a pay raise/movement to a better position/back to my hometown (I'd sort of like that but I'm happy either way). TL;DR: Work at an ad/marketing agency, want to get to client side, don't know how to go about being grateful quitting if I get a job when they have invested a lot of time/money into me in the last 18 months including moving me interstate. N.B: Sorry about the poorly written post, my mind is going a 100 miles a minute.
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| # ? Feb 21, 2013 09:00 |
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| # ? May 22, 2013 13:28 |
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Well, before you quit this job, make sure you have a new one waiting for you first? As far as quitting itself goes, just go into your the office of your boss and talk to him. It sounds like you have a decent relationship, tell him you're feeling conflicted about quitting, but that you need to look out for yourself.
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| # ? Feb 21, 2013 10:15 |
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Junior G-man posted:Well, before you quit this job, make sure you have a new one waiting for you first? One of the things I was planning was not to quit unless I had another job lined up or make sure I squeeze every dollar between now and then so that I have some interim savings just incase. I think that may be one of the best thing I can do. I think being young and being in an industry where people do get head hunted a lot, and more than other industries do find themselves switching employers a lot, he will understand this is about me growing as a marketer/ad man and won't reflect on me disliking the agency I'm at.
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| # ? Feb 21, 2013 10:23 |
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Obviously, don't do anything until you have a solid job offer, who's willing to do the same moving bonus, pay raise, etc etc. Leaving this one after you've just started seems like a lovely way to start your career. The other thing is that your work history tells a story. If you're bouncing around from job to job, any hiring manager is going to look at you funny. Nobody wants to invest time in hiring a flake. Have the new job firmly in place, and then give your two weeks notice. Think of it this way: if for any reason your current employer decided that you weren't working out, they wouldn't give you the same amount of courtesy. They'd be pretty drat quick to let you go, and unemployment benefits be damned. You owe your loyalty to yourself, and only yourself. At the end of the day, the company will look out for itself. You need to do the same.
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| # ? Feb 21, 2013 11:32 |
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dino. posted:Obviously, don't do anything until you have a solid job offer, who's willing to do the same moving bonus, pay raise, etc etc. Leaving this one after you've just started seems like a lovely way to start your career. The other thing is that your work history tells a story. If you're bouncing around from job to job, any hiring manager is going to look at you funny. Nobody wants to invest time in hiring a flake. Have the new job firmly in place, and then give your two weeks notice. I appreciate the encouragement to look out for myself, I've always been overly soft to look out for others feelings, and even in this case of a company, but you're right I need to consider what I want first. I'm hoping to use the goon resume/CV writing service to maybe spin my transfer better, obviously I was moved because I was worth the cost and they saw what I had to offer, and I have to present it to future employers as well. I'm willing to forget the moving bonus if it means going back to my hometown, luckily my parents house will always have my old room and it's not more than a full day of driving home, just grab a friend with a truck/ute or rent a van and home we go.
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| # ? Feb 21, 2013 11:42 |
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AcesOfSplades posted:One suggestion from a friend was to get a job offer, tell my boss and see if they offer me a pay raise/movement to a better position/back to my hometown (I'd sort of like that but I'm happy either way). If you haven't already, you should talk to your boss now about your desire to move to the client side. You should not threaten to quit during this meeting.
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| # ? Feb 21, 2013 13:02 |
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AcesOfSplades posted:- I'd have only been in the new city for 2-4 months when I want to do this. (I'm going to stay with the agency for a little longer, I don't want to be all "Hey thanks for moving me...now Im outta here!"). Unless you get something that's once in a lifetime fantastic offer, I'd stick it out for at least a year. Also, are you sure you don't owe them anything, moneywise if you quit? It's pretty common to expect employees to pay back education expenses if they move elsewhere within a certain amount of time after getting the degree/class. It wouldn't surprise me if some companies had similar policies for relocation expenses. And by all means, feel out your boss and tell him what you're interested in, but just keep it to that. Don't talk about quitting.
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| # ? Feb 21, 2013 16:01 |
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AcesOfSplades posted:Previously I asked a question about moving to a new city, which after some encouraging words from previous goons, I did. The main thing to remember is that you don't owe your work anything(unless you owe them money I guess), give notice be polite about it and stuff. Your employer is not your friend.
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| # ? Feb 21, 2013 16:32 |
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These are the two thigns that stand out to me:AcesOfSplades posted:- They invested money in moving me, and gave me a moving bonus, which I feel bad about just up and leaving after they did all that. It's worth looking through your employee handbook/employment contract to see if there's some time frame on which you might have to repay moving expenses/bonuses if you leave the company. I'm assuming you didn't sign anything additional when moving? AcesOfSplades posted:One suggestion from a friend was to get a job offer, tell my boss and see if they offer me a pay raise/movement to a better position/back to my hometown (I'd sort of like that but I'm happy either way). In my general experience, this doesn't usually work out well. Every person I've seen accept a counter offer hasn't lasted more than 3-6 months, at that point the company knows you're looking and it either comes up down the road to bite you, or the person just keeps looking and eventually leaves anyway.
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| # ? Feb 21, 2013 16:52 |
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Joementum posted:If you haven't already, you should talk to your boss now about your desire to move to the client side. You should not threaten to quit during this meeting. This is good advice. You have a good relationship and you are very young, so it makes sense that you'll be moving around a little bit. Your boss already knows this. Tell him that you are interested in moving in that direction and that you won't be going anywhere anytime soon. Chances are, he will probably help you transition.
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| # ? Feb 21, 2013 17:14 |
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Obviously every situation is different, but there are multiple ways to look out for yourself. One thing to consider is the valuable experience and relationships that you'll build working at this (entry?) level position. I did roughly the same thing, although in the IT industry. I started at a hospital as a computer operator.... making $12.23 an hour. This position and pay grade was 'beneath' my market value, but was a great starting point for growth and experience. After proving worth and building relationships within that department 2 years, I was promoted to systems analyst at $42k a year. I continued to network within the larger community of administrators for this application and after another 2 years, I was head hunted into a consulting organization making nearly double my old salary. All that to say, I could have jumped ship much earlier to chase smaller pay raises with another organization. However, the experience I gained and the industry contacts I met while working 'beneath' my market worth gave me the tools necessary to jump to a much higher pay grade than a 10 or 15% pay raise at another job.
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| # ? Feb 21, 2013 18:09 |
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Joementum posted:If you haven't already, you should talk to your boss now about your desire to move to the client side. You should not threaten to quit during this meeting. Very solid advice. You may find something early in which case you've already flagged it up. You may not find something for ages but assuming you have built a decent relationship with your boss he/she may help you - if you get a place on the client side, it's a good investment for them.
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| # ? Feb 21, 2013 18:21 |
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I agree with previous comments like waiting until you have a new job lined up, and talking with your boss if you can about your situation. You can definitely look out for yourself first while still being professional at the same time. I would add the idea of training your replacement, if that's applicable to your work situation. That way it won't be too much of an adjustment for the company once you leave. Someone will be ready to step into your shoes. At least that could help you feel better about moving on; knowing that you did what you could to help them be successful once you left. That's the classy thing to do, in my opinion. This approach would help preserve your professional relationship with your old boss, make you look good to your new boss, and you would hopefully make a new friend with your trainee (grateful for the new opportunity, and all that).
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| # ? Feb 21, 2013 19:03 |
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A/T isn't really for individual personal issues like this. I'm moving you to BFC.
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| # ? Feb 21, 2013 19:15 |
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Absolutely sit down with your boss and speak about this. Don't look for another job just yet. Just have a conversation with him about your future and your aims, keep it open. If he asks then you're not planning on leaving, you're simply starting to consider the bigger picture. Best case, he'll make you wait a couple months then hook you up. Worst case you'll have a conversation about something you want to do with someone who knows more about it than you do. cubicle gangster fucked around with this message at Feb 21, 2013 around 19:19 |
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| # ? May 22, 2013 13:28 |
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McPhock posted:Obviously every situation is different, but there are multiple ways to look out for yourself. I have to disagree 100% with you on this. Why can't that same, valuable 'growth and experience' be had at a job that pays fair market value? There's no better time than now and one needs to take control of their situation. If you're being underpaid AND you're aware of it? It's time to find a new position. Also, don't switch jobs for a small pay raise unless the role is a much better fit. It's been discussed before but switching jobs is the best time to get a big pay raise. It's much easier to do it switching jobs than it is within the same company for the same role.
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