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i must compose
Jul 4, 2010

What we are doing here is only the image of what we would like to do.

Right now I'm working as a pizza delivery boy and going to school full time. I really enjoy this job, but it's pretty rough on my car. Also, Lo and Behold, being a pizza driver can be a really bad idea if you don't have the correct insurance for your car; there's the chance that if your insurance company doesn't know that you're delivering and hike your rates up accordingly (to an almost unpayable fee) they can drop your claim if you got in a wreck and someone tattles on you.

So I think it's time to start looking for another job. I still need something part time, but I don't want to work as a clerk or something where I won't be able to make any money at all. I was wondering if there are some avenues I could go down as far as taking some courses to have some more stuff to put down on my resume. Like, pertinent skills one would need for possible jobs I might be able to get.

And don't tell me to self publish erotica. Unless that's really a good idea.

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Authentic You
Mar 4, 2007

Listen now this is your
captain calling:
Your captain is dead.


What are you studying in school? I mean, do you not know how to do anything besides drive a car, hand pizzas to people, and count change?

What about signing up for a temp agency? Usually doesn't require any special skills. You're generally doing simple unskilled/low skill stuff like data entry, filing stuff, and sticking labels onto computer cables or whatever. Then you can add filing, data entry, and IT bitchwork to your resume. Can you put boxes on shelves? My buddy worked a seasonal job at a fancy kitchen store moving boxes from a truck onto shelves in the backroom. He didn't have any specific box-lifting experience going in.

hayden.
Sep 11, 2007

here's a goat on a pig or something


Find a paid internship in whatever field you're majoring in. This will be fairly easy if you're competent and majoring in accounting, science, or engineering. If you're majoring in art or something, I guess learn to enjoy pizza delivery.

moana
Jun 18, 2005

one of the more intellectual satire communities on the web

i must compose posted:

I was wondering if there are some avenues I could go down as far as taking some courses to have some more stuff to put down on my resume. Like, pertinent skills one would need for possible jobs I might be able to get.
Kinda hard to give you advice, since we don't know what you're studying, what possible jobs you might want, or what skills you already have. Tutoring is fun and I always recommend that as a source of easy cash if you're smart in STEM fields.

i must compose
Jul 4, 2010

What we are doing here is only the image of what we would like to do.

Well, I'm going into Aircraft Maintenance. I've worked a lot of low level grunt work at places like UPS and Zappos, stocking shelves and doing warehouse type stuff. I drove a tug for UPS, delivering ULDs to planes and different buildings (this didn't require a special driver's license or anything). I worked at Panera Bread for a while, washing dishes and making sandwiches, and I also was doing CNA type stuff provisionally for about two weeks but I couldn't handle it so I stopped. I can type pretty fast if that's a skill, although I think everyone can these days.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005
I only have canyoneyes for you

i must compose posted:

So I think it's time to start looking for another job. I still need something part time, but I don't want to work as a clerk or something where I won't be able to make any money at all.

They're not all low-paid grunt work.
I made big bucks selling womens shoes at a department store in college. The hours sucked and some of your (older) coworkers were depressing, but it was a great college job. It was commission only, and every other non-commission non-shoes job in that store sucked (except maybe cosmetics, which most men don't succeed in). One of the full-time shoe veterans there earned $60k during the retail boom year of 2006 . The employee discount and early access to sale stuff was a really nice perk too, and ensured that I had nice work clothes for years to follow. During busy seasons I'd average $25/hr or so, but never went below $15/hr the rest of the year.

Didn't do crap for my career, but I got a summer internship in my field that led to a full time job anyway so

BobDolesPen
May 10, 2009


canyoneer posted:

They're not all low-paid grunt work.
I made big bucks selling womens shoes at a department store in college...some of your (older) coworkers were depressing...

You worked with Al Bundy?

i must compose
Jul 4, 2010

What we are doing here is only the image of what we would like to do.

canyoneer posted:

They're not all low-paid grunt work.
I made big bucks selling womens shoes at a department store in college. The hours sucked and some of your (older) coworkers were depressing, but it was a great college job. It was commission only, and every other non-commission non-shoes job in that store sucked (except maybe cosmetics, which most men don't succeed in). One of the full-time shoe veterans there earned $60k during the retail boom year of 2006 . The employee discount and early access to sale stuff was a really nice perk too, and ensured that I had nice work clothes for years to follow. During busy seasons I'd average $25/hr or so, but never went below $15/hr the rest of the year.

Didn't do crap for my career, but I got a summer internship in my field that led to a full time job anyway so

Which department store? And how difficult would you say it is to sell things to people?

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005
I only have canyoneyes for you

i must compose posted:

Which department store? And how difficult would you say it is to sell things to people?

It was a Dillard's. I know that Nordstrom and Neiman's both do commission also.

It's not hard to sell things to people. The big parts are charisma and product knowledge. You're not telemarketing, people are coming in because they have a need they want to fill (work shoes, special occasion, etc.)
If you can get a little bit spergy about memorizing facts, features, and basic product information, you'll know more about shoes in 3 weeks than 90% of the women shopping for shoes. After 3 months, you'll be a wiz that knows more than all customers ever.

i must compose
Jul 4, 2010

What we are doing here is only the image of what we would like to do.

I guess now is a good time to mention my foot fetish.

And you said you were making like 15/hr but what area do you live in? I'm not sure of this but don't people generally make more money in larger metropolitan areas than in smaller cities? For reference I live in Louisville, KY which is fairly large but not that big.

OctaviusBeaver
Apr 30, 2009

Say what now?

i must compose posted:

I guess now is a good time to mention my foot fetish.

And you said you were making like 15/hr but what area do you live in? I'm not sure of this but don't people generally make more money in larger metropolitan areas than in smaller cities? For reference I live in Louisville, KY which is fairly large but not that big.

Dude, why did you quit UPS then? They pay your tuition. Go back and do that unless you're on scholarship or something.

Orange_Lazarus
Mar 31, 2010

but I love kids with freckles and funny accents.

Yeah, go back to UPS if you can. If school doesn't work out at least you built up some seniority at UPS and can become a driver making 60-70k a year with benefits.

If you can't handle UPS, I worked at a high-end furniture (Overpriced crap from China placed in a nice atmosphere) store and earned a decent wage ($11 in the South isn't bad), tips and I charged customers $40 to deliver their furniture if they couldn't fit it in their car and didn't want to hire a professional delivery driver. Half my job was just standing around, talking to customers and being helpful. If I lost my current job and couldn't get with UPS or another company I would go back there to bide my time.

Orange_Lazarus fucked around with this message at Feb 26, 2013 around 13:51

Nocheez
Sep 5, 2000
Because your old avatar was way too big and sucked pretty hard
:I


Orange_Lazarus posted:

Yeah, go back to UPS if you can. If school doesn't work out at least you built up some seniority at UPS and can become a driver making 60-70k a year with benefits.

Drivers do not make that kind of coin. They are hourly at UPS and Fed Ex Express. Fed Ex Ground are contractors that own their own route and truck. My brother-in-law is a Fed Ex Ground driver and while he pulls in good money, a very large portion of that goes to paying for his vehicle expenses. I think he spent $20,000 in fuel last year alone.

Orange_Lazarus
Mar 31, 2010

but I love kids with freckles and funny accents.

My dad easily pulled over 60,000 but I could call him to get an exact figure. Most of the numbers I see listed online range between 65,000 and 75,000

http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/UPS...12_D_KO4,10.htm

I really don't think they're comparable to FedEx. UPS drivers/part timers are unionized and handle way more volume than a Fed Ex driver.

Orange_Lazarus fucked around with this message at Feb 26, 2013 around 13:58

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005
I only have canyoneyes for you

This was in a moderate sized city in the US Southwest (not California). The rest of the store employees made ~$10/hr.

UPS is a good racket. Furniture sales are too, if you can make it past the first two weeks.

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SecurityManKillJoy
Sep 1, 2009


I know you don't want to be an office clerk, because obviously it sucks, but I'm one right now as a contractor at a big software company as a 2012 college graduate and I can give some perspective.

The only real reason I'm stuck in this kind of job is because instead of doing a STEM major, I did a mix of business and subject-matter knowledge in languages, and the government and business of other countries. So of course I didn't find any real entry level jobs or internships. I learn STEM topics better by myself or with tutors, but I didn't think about tutors seriously while experimenting with classes. Plus I didn't want to lock myself into some set career path that way, even if I could have managed to major in such a subject or double-majored.

Also from my view-point, from working in these kinds of low-level office jobs, all the professional entry-level jobs and the tracks that go farther along from there are relatively the same office jobs except for the knowledge applied, which I already have anyway. I just don't see the difference anymore, because I could go start my own business and know how to hire for all of those positions and do a little of each task myself since I've familiarized so much with so many branches of knowledge. By now I don't have the pure corporate experience I need just from sitting and holding entry level internships and jobs, and it doesn't appear it will be happening. The only other difference it would mean is pay.

It's not the best situation, but I don't think being any sort of a worker is good until one is a subject-matter expert who doesn't create intellectual property value for the company, or who does but doesn't have to give up more than 50% of it to the company. It means I'm not on a career track and don't have absolutely "relevant experience in my field" in spite of studying so much, but I'm still doing some post-graduate studies, studying for exams, creating business plans using all the knowledge I have in economics & statistics and at least holding down some kind of job in which I'm learning about all the horrible intricacies of all kinds of jobs and processes.

I'd say accounting is a good example of subject-matter knowledge in which one doesn't have to give up intellectual property. That's a reason I'm studying for the Customs Broker exam since that would be related work that fits with my interests and education better than accounting did, although I took some of that along with stat, econ, etc. I just didn't know about it before but I did decently on my first attempt, and I think anything like this is a good supplement to "non-STEM" education in order to try and get a real entry-level job or to help one create a business without the pain and expense of law school or something.

SecurityManKillJoy fucked around with this message at Mar 1, 2013 around 00:47

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