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I checked and didn't see this posted yet. If you want to read the whole article you can find it here http://www.nbcnews.com/travel/tsa-a...d-get-1C8481122 and the youtube video the mother took here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oPloe08a3Q.quote:The Transportation Security Administration has apologized after the family of a wheelchair-bound 3-year-old girl with spina bifida was pulled aside and told she would receive a pat-down. As a parent of a 3 year old girl watching the video absolutely loving makes me sick to my stomach that some TSA agent would think it was even needed to pat down this disabled girl. We all know the TSA is pretty much a joke but have we sunk so low that it's now OK to demand that a 3 year old disabled child needs a loving pat down? Even more appalling is what the TSA is saying is an apology to the family. It disgusts me that we actually think this is OK behavior because terrorists! and all that BS. If I was that agent and I was forced to do that from supervisors I would have walked off the job right that second. What's worse is the agent telling the mother it's illegal for her to take photos or video them while they perform the pat down on a year old girl. Has there been any actual proof that the TSA has done anything towards making air travel "safer"? I've flown several times since the TSA has been instated and I don't feel any safer now than I did before they were around. At least I know I'm safe from 3 year old disabled kids in a wheelchair I suppose. 
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kicktd posted:Has there been any actual proof that the TSA has done anything towards making air travel "safer"? Checked baggage and cargo screening is where TSA finds those wonderful little ghetto bombs and other crazy poo poo the media doesn't like to talk about.
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They found 1500 guns this year in carryon.
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kicktd posted:At least I know I'm safe from 3 year old disabled kids in a wheelchair I suppose. The idea behind it is that the parents could have hid something on the girl or in the chair. I don't agree with the way the TSA and other groups work, but I always see complaints like this and as bad as the procedures are, there is a little bit of logic behind them.
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I really don't see why people hate the TSA so much. I fly on average 6-10 times a year and I've never once had an issue with them. I'm not denying that some corruption exists within the TSA, such as this article states. But I don't think that these rare occurrences should reflect the TSA as a whole.
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Delorence Fickle posted:Checked baggage and cargo screening is where TSA finds those wonderful little ghetto bombs and other crazy poo poo the media doesn't like to talk about. Oh stop it, we all know the TSA are secretly out to get us and only pat down disabled 3 year olds to scar them for life and gently caress with helicopter parents.
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They find between 20 and 40 guns in carry on bags or on people going through security... a week. More than half of them are loaded. Video seems real lovely but there seem to be a lot of people trying to bring weapons onto planes. edit: Now with fun chart! 
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Delorence Fickle posted:Checked baggage and cargo screening is where TSA finds those wonderful little ghetto bombs and other crazy poo poo the media doesn't like to talk about. I was so confused by this post that I googled "ghetto bombs". Now I'm even more confused.
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Death Himself posted:They find between 20 and 40 guns in carry on bags or on people going through security... a week. More than half of them are loaded. Video seems real lovely but there seem to be a lot of people trying to bring weapons onto planes. Why does the TSA and ridiculous patdowns/body scanners need to exist for this? Seems like the old metal detectors, x-rays, and carry-on luggage searches would have uncovered all the same guns.
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Wooten posted:I was so confused by this post that I googled "ghetto bombs". Now I'm even more confused. People really want to bring Korean ska bands on board.
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ClemenSalad posted:They found 1500 guns this year in carryon. How many of them were concealed on 3 year old children?
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Wooten posted:I was so confused by this post that I googled "ghetto bombs". Now I'm even more confused. It's basically homemade poor man's incendiaries like gasoline/laundry detergent mixtures and bottle bombs.
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Calculus Captain posted:Why does the TSA and ridiculous patdowns/body scanners need to exist for this? Seems like the old metal detectors, x-rays, and carry-on luggage searches would have uncovered all the same guns. Not sure. I just know that for some reason people keep trying to bring weapons onto planes. Like this:  They maintain a blog which lists all the stuff they find each week at: http://blog.tsa.gov/ I like to swing by every now and then to see the ridiculous things people try to sneak on planes. Looks like the latest post is about this incident from the OP too.
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I agree stopping loaded guns from getting on a plane is great and I understand they just want to make sure no hidden weapons on the child's wheelchair it still seems pretty lovely thing on the agents part. I don't understand why they just didn't allow the child's parent to carry her in and out of the metal detector and do quick check on the wheelchair and all is done. It seems the parents didn't have any issues doing that but it wasn't even thought of by the agents until the parents brought it up. I know the TSA is just like any other job in that you get really lovely people and you also get really good people.
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 Jesus Christ, if they really do find that many weapons per week, why don't we hear about the steady parade of people going to jail for it? (You do get in a fuckton of trouble for it, right? I know a lot of the fear is trumped up and bullshit but trying to carry a loaded gun onto a plane on your person or carryon isn't the sort of thing that can be 'whoops my bad' for thirty people a week.)
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Death Himself posted:Not sure. I just know that for some reason people keep trying to bring weapons onto planes. Like this: I like how snarky they are: quote:Flare Gun – A passenger at Midway (MDW) had a flare gun and four flares in his carry-on bag. You know, if you want to signal a flight attendant, there is a little button above your head. You don’t need a flare gun. Flares and flare guns are prohibited items. It's also a bit mind-boggling how many people not only try to bring a gun on, but have it loaded AND a round chambered  I learned that poo poo when I was 12.
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JerryLee posted:
If you're otherwise not an average Joe, they report it. Here's one from last week: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/18/s...yer-gun-airport
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kicktd posted:I agree stopping loaded guns from getting on a plane is great and I understand they just want to make sure no hidden weapons on the child's wheelchair it still seems pretty lovely thing on the agents part. I don't understand why they just didn't allow the child's parent to carry her in and out of the metal detector and do quick check on the wheelchair and all is done. It seems the parents didn't have any issues doing that but it wasn't even thought of by the agents until the parents brought it up. I can't speak for this particular situation, but I did the job before and it's been more of a sensitivity thing. Like, if a guy rolls up in a wheelchair, do you really want to ask if he can walk through the metal detector? It's very awkward. Same thing here I would imagine. I know it would be brought up eventually, but when you're in the moment you kinda gotta deal with things as they come.
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Death Himself posted:Not sure. I just know that for some reason people keep trying to bring weapons onto planes. Like this: That looks a whole lot less like a "serrated wire garrote" and more like a run of the mill wire saw ala;  But I would suppose you'd call it in former if you're trying to justify your questionable existence.
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OP, just because you have a kids the same age doesn't mean you have any credibility. People who bring in guns are pretty heavily fined and sometimes get arrested if they act like a jackass to the real cops. TSA finds a TON of dangerous items per year and pretty regularly get wanted criminals arrested due to the BDO and parallel programs. News outlets poo poo all over the agency because it was a loving madhouse for the first few years and a lot of people think that no policies have changed. The officers should have been able to make a much faster decision. Given the circumstance, it would have been a very brief conversation with the parents about what they are comfortable with and then taken their time to make sure everything was done to the letter. Like someone else said, no matter what the company/agency there is always about 10% of the workforce that makes everyone else look bad.
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Kim Jong ill posted:That looks a whole lot less like a "serrated wire garrote" and more like a run of the mill wire saw ala; they're the same thing!
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Kim Jong ill posted:That looks a whole lot less like a "serrated wire garrote" and more like a run of the mill wire saw ala; They tend to group a lot of things together based on looks or name. The reason why you can't (or couldn't, I think they've changed since I was there) take a butter knife on board was because it was a "knife" by name, but a butter spreader is fine
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The TSA is largely lovely power tripping assholes playing security theater, I think we can all agree on that but I have never understood why people get all upset that disabled people and children are sometimes screened. I mean seriously, what is the alternate solution, never screen people with medical conditions? A terrorist planning on blowing up a plane full of people is going to think loading a baby's diaper up with explosives is going just a little too far? Kim Jong ill posted:That looks a whole lot less like a "serrated wire garrote" and more like a run of the mill wire saw ala; I know, did the TSA even consider the legitimate reasons a person might need a run of the mill saw wire in their airplane carry on luggage? Three Olives fucked around with this message at Feb 22, 2013 around 04:49 |
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Three Olives posted:I mean seriously, what is the alternate solution, never screen people with medical conditions? A terrorist planning on blowing up a plane full of people is going to think loading a baby's diaper up with explosives is going just a little too far? You can either check everything, or nothing. Making an exception to the rules makes a hole that can be exploited making the whole system useless. There's so many exceptions that there's no security to speak of and we should just remove the whole thing
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I keep getting pat-downs in every drat airport, evidently due to all my jeans having buttons on them. Are there any figures for how pats have saved us from certain death?
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Super Killbot posted:They tend to group a lot of things together based on looks or name. The reason why you can't (or couldn't, I think they've changed since I was there) take a butter knife on board was because it was a "knife" by name, but a butter spreader is fine  So they'd throw that in with the serrated wire garrote too, because they have exactly the same purpose? When the person who had that in their carry-on goes to court there's going to be a big difference in their charges if it's referred to as a outdoor/survival wood saw or a serrated wire garrote. (Because you know strangling someone isn't enough, you need to slit their throat at the same time too!)
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Three Olives posted:The TSA is largely lovely power tripping assholes playing security theater, I think we can all agree on that but I have never understood why people get all upset that disabled people and children are sometimes screened. The alternative is to use proven screening techniques. Train screeners to read things like contextual cues, and body language so that they can identify a person who is a potential threat rather that just frisk every 10th person. It's about working smarter, not harder.
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Kim Jong ill posted:
The saw wire is far easier to "artfully conceal" than what you posted though.
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I think it's fine if they are screened and yes anyone can fake being disabled to get around being screened if that were the case. Hell I was patted down by the TSA when this all started and I didn't give a drat. Yes the parents did over react at the word "pat down" I admit, at the same time though the agent didn't seem to be doing much to help the situation by arguing with the mom over recording/taking pictures. Like stated above though you get people who are horrible at the job and you get people who are good just like anywhere else.
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Super Killbot posted:You can either check everything, or nothing. Making an exception to the rules makes a hole that can be exploited making the whole system useless. Yes, because letting people open carry firearms on planes will never lead to anything bad. Someone has to set a standard for what is safe on a plane and enforce it. The largest problem with TSA is that the decision was made that they need to be extremely stringent and use poorly trained and poorly paid people to enforce that. Couple that with a healthy pro-privacy lobby in the U.S. that believes a machine that might maybe make you look naked is less invasive than a pat-down, and you get the current debacle.
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Aonyx posted:I really don't see why people hate the TSA so much. I fly on average 6-10 times a year and I've never once had an issue with them. Are you white? Clean cut? Seriously.
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Zaffy posted:The alternative is to use proven screening techniques. Train screeners to read things like contextual cues, and body language so that they can identify a person who is a potential threat rather that just frisk every 10th person. It's about working smarter, not harder. They already do this.
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Three Olives posted:I mean seriously, what is the alternate solution, never screen people with medical conditions? Use intelligence methods that actually work to prevent terror attacks?
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Three Olives posted:I know, did the TSA even consider the legitimate reasons a person might need a run of the mill saw wire in their airplane carry on luggage? Did the UAC even consider the legitimate reasons a person might need a run of the mill chainsaw on mars? It was a shipping error. Hell, a pocketknife could easily end up in my carry-on luggage if my trip involved camping/having useful things in my backpack.
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Yeah OP, the TSA totally finds a bunch of guns and knives every day, so you should think twice about complaining about a government agency manhandling disabled toddlers and then blatently lying about it.
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Kim Jong ill posted:
If they went to court the TSA would probably present the case like this: Passenger attempted to board an aircraft with a concealed prohibited device that is a threat to aviation security. That would be all they need. It would be a different story if the item was an illegal weapon to begin with though (like brass knuckles or a switchblade). I'm sure they would just start tacking on additional weapons charges as the police saw fit
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Inzombiac posted:They already do this. I guess that three year old was acting mighty suspicious.
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ClemenSalad posted:They found 1500 guns this year in carryon. And 0 people intending to use them to hijack the aircraft.
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Inzombiac posted:They already do this. If they are frisking little girls then they are not doing this. I fly frequently, many screeners are barely literate chaff that McDonalds wouldn't hire.
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FaradayCage posted:Hell, a pocketknife could easily end up in my carry-on luggage if my trip involved camping/having useful things in my backpack. And TSA would honestly be justified in taking your pocket knife, as they took that man's wire saw. This TSA blog is amazing because the comments section is full of people raging at the TSA over not letting you bring Black Powder aboard a plane in a carry on bag. Torka posted:How many of them were concealed on 3 year old children? Actually they found at least one gun disassembled and sewn into a stuffed animal, which is why they now x-ray stuffed animals.
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