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I'm far from one to defend the TSA, but very young children and the disabled are the perfect mules for drugs or weapons or anything specifically because it creates the kind of outrage that you'd expect. 'How dare they pat down a three year old girl in a wheelchair!' means that its probably the best place to try and smuggle something through borders/metal detectors and so on. So in the current system, it makes sense that they would indeed continue on doing these things. That's not the problem. The problem is the whole current system. It needs to be eradicated and built from the ground up, a hybrid of current technology and an intelligence-backed model that is used in the Ben-Gurion Airport. As long as the current model stands, there will be a need to pat down 3 year old girls in wheelchairs or 80 year old nuns with a cane.
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This thread is great for figuring out who are the Shills and anti rights people are. Being safe shouldn't come at the cost of being felt up. When I was screened they literally felt all around my groin. Just wait till they are doing it in Malls and ect.
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OlmanRiver posted:This thread is great for figuring out who are the Shills and anti rights people are. Good idea, let's make a government database
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Twee as gently caress posted:The problem is the whole current system. It needs to be eradicated and built from the ground up, a hybrid of current technology and an intelligence-backed model that is used in the Ben-Gurion Airport. As long as the current model stands, there will be a need to pat down 3 year old girls in wheelchairs or 80 year old nuns with a cane. The TSA needs an overhaul, but moving to a model based primarily on Systemic Racism is a really lovely way to increase airport security.
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OlmanRiver posted:This thread is great for figuring out who are the Shills and anti rights people are. What is the alternative when dozens of people a week are trying to sneak weapons and explosives onto planes by hiding them inside the linings of their bags, inside handles, in their underwear and wherever else they think won't be checked? Just let them carry around all these weapons? Feels like a catch-22, I just don't see a "correct" answer here. It's lovely that people get checked so thoroughly but it's also lovely that for some reason I don't understand so many people are trying to sneak lethal stuff into a place they shouldn't be.
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I don't understand the freakout over pats. There's nothing wrong with a pat. They're more effective than the metal detector and less intrusive than the scanner. It's like the least offensive thing in the world where someone lightly pats your body.
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Red_Mage posted:And TSA would honestly be justified in taking your pocket knife If you think a pocket knife is a threat to airplane security after 9/11 then you might as well just handcuff everyone to their seats during the flight. God knows who might pull out a pen, or make a dental floss garrotte, or use his brown belt in karate.
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So I guess there's no hope at all of a "It is, in fact, legal to videotape the TSA" sign being mandated at every checkpoint, eh?
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Death Himself posted:They maintain a blog which lists all the stuff they find each week at: http://blog.tsa.gov/  Welp I'm never going to bitch about having to wait for 20 minutes in line to get through security around Christmas time ever again.
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Carbolic posted:If you think a pocket knife is a threat to airplane security after 9/11 then you might as well just handcuff everyone to their seats during the flight. God knows who might pull out a pen, or make a dental floss garrotte, or use his brown belt in karate. I think the most logical thing to do is to completely rewrite the restricted/prohibited list. It's seems so simple to me. There are 2 categories: 1- Items that are a threat to the aircraft (guns and bombs obviously, and anything else that could cause physical damage to the aircraft) 2- Items that are a greater threat in the aircraft environment (things like pepper spray, or anything that could fill the cabin with smoke, stuff like that) Under this new system a knife, for example, would not be a threat to the aircraft, and it's not any more dangerous than being outside the aircraft, so it's permitted. Just my thoughts though
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Red_Mage posted:The TSA needs an overhaul, but moving to a model based primarily on Systemic Racism is a really lovely way to increase airport security. I am talking about trained agents, who know how to read body cues, and hire lots of ex-intelligence and ex-soldiers type Then again that would require the TSA to actually pay them decent wages
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Death Himself posted:What is the alternative when dozens of people a week are trying to sneak weapons and explosives onto planes by hiding them inside the linings of their bags, inside handles, in their underwear and wherever else they think won't be checked? Just let them carry around all these weapons? Don't be obtuse, it's not an all or nothing scenario. You can be safe and check people's luggage with having to resort to this poo poo.
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Frog posted:So I guess there's no hope at all of a "It is, in fact, legal to videotape the TSA" sign being mandated at every checkpoint, eh? That should also be on every Police officer's badge but like you said, there's really not much hope. Better trained and better paid TSA employees whose jobs aren't a political pawn would do loads of good. Carbolic posted:If you think a pocket knife is a threat to airplane security after 9/11 then you might as well just handcuff everyone to their seats during the flight. God knows who might pull out a pen, or make a dental floss garrotte, or use his brown belt in karate. I actually think a pocket knife is less of a threat post 9/11 since before that it was considered standard to go along with someone hijacking a plane, because they probably wanted the hostages. That said, I also think there is no real reason that you need a pocket knife in your carry on luggage (you can still check it) and that if it makes other people feel more secure, its really a non-issue. A sexy submarine posted:Don't be obtuse, it's not an all or nothing scenario. You can be safe and check people's luggage with having to resort to this poo poo. What poo poo exactly did they resort to? A poorly trained agent said they'd have to scan her teddy bear, and that they couldn't be taping TSA agents, he was an rear end in a top hat. A manager was called and things were evidently sorted out. They never even patted down the child, they did swab her chair though. Red_Mage fucked around with this message at Feb 22, 2013 around 05:17 |
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The insanity of the last decade+ was caused by a few guys with box cutters. I say we tranquilize every person and do a full body cavity search for anybody wanting to go on a plane. We need to be safe. Think of the children.
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OlmanRiver posted:Being safe shouldn't come at the cost of being felt up. When I was screened they literally felt all around my groin. Just wait till they are doing it in Malls and ect. Good Heavens! Are you OK?
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Node posted:The insanity of the last decade+ was caused by a few guys with box cutters. I say we tranquilize every person and do a full body cavity search for anybody wanting to go on a plane. We need to be safe. Think of the children. No joke I would kill for free tranquilizers on plane rides. I could take or leave the cavity search, but sedated plane flights? Sign me the gently caress up.
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Hahaha some of this stuff is just absurd: http://blog.tsa.gov/2013/01/a-look-...-downright.html Many of the guns people are clearly trying to sneak on, like hidden in books, stuffed animals, etc. Inert mortar rounds? Christ, what's wrong with people.
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Fautzo posted:Good Heavens! Are you OK? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_space Personal space is the region surrounding a person which they regard as psychologically theirs. Most people value their personal space and feel discomfort, anger, or anxiety when their personal space is encroached.[1]
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I'm glad the TSA is here to pat down the scary 3-year old so I can feel safe and avoid wetting myself at the thought of the terrorists out to get me. It's okay guys, let's spend a ton of money on this elaborate kabuki play instead of on the countless other things that people are actually likely to die from.particle409 posted:Hahaha some of this stuff is just absurd: Uh oh not inert mortars! They might not go off and not kill anyone. Still stupid for trying to sneak it on I guess. humannature fucked around with this message at Feb 22, 2013 around 05:25 |
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TSA Megathread: Counting lives in groins grabbed.
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A sexy submarine posted:Don't be obtuse, it's not an all or nothing scenario. You can be safe and check people's luggage with having to resort to this poo poo. How am I being obtuse? Go check out the TSA blog I linked. People are literally hiding knives in the lining of their pants, loaded guns inside stuffed toys, knives inside their shoes, knives inside their own bodies. It almost feels like a parody or something with how intent some people seem to be on sneaking weapons onboard planes no matter where or how they have to hide them. There is clearly a problem so how do we solve it without pat downs and body scans? I am legitimately curious. I'm also not a fan of the invasive procedures and don't fly unless I absolutely have to because of it but I don't see the alternative they have in this situation.
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Death Himself posted:How am I being obtuse? Go check out the TSA blog I linked. People are literally hiding knives in the lining of their pants, loaded guns inside stuffed toys, knives inside their shoes, knives inside their own bodies. It almost feels like a parody or something with how intent some people seem to be on sneaking weapons onboard planes no matter where or how they have to hide them. They are called metal detectors, and have existed for many many years and don't create radiation. Perhaps if you are so worried about your safety you shouldn't travel? Sure they may have found some weapons, but you would be hearing about planes being taken over on a weekly basis if people actually wanted to do it. Just because someone wants to bring their pocket knife doesn't mean they plan to use it.
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particle409 posted:Hahaha some of this stuff is just absurd: The best thing on that blog is the dude who decided that to sneak their weed past the TSA (who aren't the ones looking for it) he'd stuff it in a fake grenade. 
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humannature posted:I'm glad the TSA is here to pat down the scary 3-year old so I can feel safe and avoid wetting myself at the thought of the terrorists out to get me. It's okay guys, let's spend a ton of money on this elaborate kabuki play instead of on the countless other things that people are actually likely to die from. There's a lot of things wrong with the TSA but stop making things up. It doesn't support your cause. They didn't do a search on the girl because they thought she was "scary". They didn't think that she was a terrorist. They didn't think that she's trying to sneak something on board. They screen EVERYONE. Doesn't matter who you are, you get screened. If you can't go through normal procedures, you get the secondary stuff like pat downs and such. Choose your battles here
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The little girl doesn't have a leg to stand on (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Super Killbot posted:There's a lot of things wrong with the TSA but stop making things up. It doesn't support your cause. Lighten up Francis, everyone going through the security screening is a potential terrorist who hates america and wants to kill you.
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Yeah! How dare that mother of a 3 year old child who is disabled to be upset of her getting groped by government agents. Jeesh it's as if some of you actually value your rights. 
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particle409 posted:Hahaha some of this stuff is just absurd: The retarded comments on the blog that make you just quote:Anonymous said...
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Boring Person posted:Yeah! How dare that mother of a 3 year old child who is disabled to be upset of her getting groped by government agents. Jeesh it's as if some of you actually value your rights. She wasn't actually touched. But you go right ahead and keep raging at the non-existent machine.
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Torka posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_space In a large number of countries, pat downs are the only security procedure at airports because mags are too expensive to purchase or maintain. I think people have gotten spoiled from the relatively unobtrusive (and relatively ineffective) metal detectors. But you're right - patting someone is totally violating their personal space. So is someone opening up my bag and going through my stuff. But considering the large number of ways people conceal potentially dangerous weapons, it makes sense and isn't really worth freaking out about. And it makes you look ridiculous when you call it "groping" and other panic-y things for what is a standard and professionally carried out light touch around parts of your body. TSA's mission is to stop people from carrying dangerous poo poo past the secure area. And the less thorough you are, the more predictable your security procedure, the easier it is to get things past them. (Like the person who tried to sneak a gun + ammo in a couple of stuffed animals. Thought that non-thorough security folks wouldn't bother scanning toys.) SpaceGirlArt fucked around with this message at Feb 22, 2013 around 05:34 |
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humannature posted:Uh oh not inert mortars! They might not go off and not kill anyone. Still stupid for trying to sneak it on I guess.
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OlmanRiver posted:They are called metal detectors, and have existed for many many years and don't create radiation. Does a metal detector catch everything? It looks like a lot of people try to sneak in plastic weapons or explosives which don't have metal components in addition to metal knives and guns. I can't find the entry right this second because it was old, but they had an amusing update where a guy tried to sneak in poisoned blowdarts made of wood with a wooden blowgun.
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Robiben posted:Even if it is inert, it’s still an explosive. And how would a TSA agent know it’s inert just by looking at it? This is the reason that fake explosives are banned. Even someone with years of experience and training is going to have to check some things to ensure your inert explosive is actually inert, and it slows the entire process down for everyone involved. Death Himself posted:Does a metal detector catch everything? It looks like a lot of people try to sneak in plastic weapons or explosives which don't have metal components in addition to metal knives and guns. No, its one of the reasons they are pushing for those millimeter wave scanners. But because its SPOOOOKY radio waves, and some TSA agent might see a blurry representation of your junk, it is considered more egregious than a patdown.
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The last time I flew they used one of their scanners to check my bod and groinal region. I don't know if I like that. I supposed I'd have to try it again to be sure.
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Red_Mage posted:She wasn't actually touched. But you go right ahead and keep raging at the non-existent machine. And you continue to defend an agency that doesn't give two fucks about you,you mighty warrior for dubiously legal government agencies.
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Robiben posted:Come on, you can’t seriously believe that it should be ok for someone to bring a mortar on a passenger plane? Even if it is inert, it’s still an explosive. And how would a TSA agent know it’s inert just by looking at it? They wouldn't and I'm fine with them responding to it as if it were a real mortar because they don't know. People attempted to bring inert mortars on airplanes are idiots and deserve what they get. That said, I'm also not terrified that they found something in the shape of an explosive that won't actually, you know, blow up.
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SpaceGirlArt posted:TSA's mission is to stop people from carrying dangerous poo poo past the secure area. And the less thorough you are, the more predictable your security procedure, the easier it is to get things past them. (Like the person who tried to sneak a gun + ammo in a couple of stuffed animals. Thought that non-thorough security folks wouldn't bother scanning toys.)
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Boring Person posted:And you continue to defend an agency that doesn't give two fucks about you,you mighty warrior for dubiously legal government agencies. How is TSA "dubiously legal," exactly?
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Copley Depot posted:Their real mission is to make you buy the $3.00 sodas in the terminal rather than being able to bring your own aboard. Has anyone checked to see if Colgate is a substantial investor in TSA contractors? I feel like there's some synergy in those two businesses considering the vast amounts of toothpaste they confiscate.
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My pet theory is that the real purpose behind this kind of flamboyantly nonsensical search is to give the TSA some evidence to point to when they need to claim that the harassment selection process is totally fair and random and impartial and in no way involves any kind of racial profiling. It's like "Yes okay out of the 300 people getting onto the plane we did stripsearch all 35 who couldn't pass the paper bag test, BUT we also stripsearched an equal number of toddlers and super-old white grannies and also the last living WW1 vet, therefore not racist".
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