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OlmanRiver posted:They are called metal detectors, and have existed for many many years and don't create radiation. Please tell us more about the dangers of radiation from Body Scanners.
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humannature posted:They wouldn't and I'm fine with them responding to it as if it were a real mortar because they don't know. People attempted to bring inert mortars on airplanes are idiots and deserve what they get. That said, I'm also not terrified that they found something in the shape of an explosive that won't actually, you know, blow up.
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Sam Hall posted:My pet theory is that the real purpose behind this kind of flamboyantly nonsensical search is to give the TSA some evidence to point to when they need to claim that the harassment selection process is totally fair and random and impartial and in no way involves any kind of racial profiling. It's like "Yes okay out of the 300 people getting onto the plane we did stripsearch all 35 who couldn't pass the paper bag test, BUT we also stripsearched an equal number of toddlers and super-old white grannies and also the last living WW1 vet, therefore not racist". When I was working, we were constantly told the most annoying phrase ever: "Consistently Busy" The idea was that you should be searching bags and screening people at all times, no matter how busy it got. So at 5 am, when the checkpoint was empty, we were forced to search everybody that came through. I think the idea behind it was to show more that we were  CHECKING EVERY NOOK AND CRANNY FOR YOUR PROTECTION , but I wouldn't be too surprised if they had something like that in the back of their mindsRobiben posted:I will admit I do not know much about explosives, but wouldn’t something like that still be a risk? Is there still explosive material inside that could react to heat, pressure or possibly being knocked around? Or do inert explosives have 0% chance of going off? Inert generally means an empty casing. Pretty much the only risk is using it as a blunt object and hitting someone with it. The problem is that they look exactly the same in an xray, and there's a >0% chance it would set off a explosive detection trace from the old residue Super Killbot fucked around with this message at Feb 22, 2013 around 05:49 |
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It's really more a case of not wanting the minimum wage TSA guy saying "Oh this is clearly a deactivated explosive, so it's cool." The best one is still the time they wouldn't let a veteran take his medal of honour on a plane. Cause he could stab someone with the edges or something. Oh yeah and he was like 90 and in a wheel chair. The last time I flew through the states they had the nude scanner things. But they had 2 lines you could get in and they were clearly only grabbing people from one line, so it was easy to just get in the other one and not bother with it.
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Robiben posted:I will admit I do not know much about explosives, but wouldn’t something like that still be a risk? Is there still explosive material inside that could react to heat, pressure or possibly being knocked around? Or do inert explosives have 0% chance of going off? I've never heard of a truly inert round going off. If it isn't really inert then it's possible I suppose, hence why you probably shouldn't bring one on a plane just in case, but the chance is near enough to 0 (much like my chances of dying due to terrorism) that it doesn't keep me up at night. I believe the USPS will ship one registered mail, so if it's good enough for them it's good enough for me. (linky: http://pe.usps.com/FRN/Inert_Munitions_proposed.txt )
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Super Killbot posted:When I was working, we were constantly told the most annoying phrase ever: "Consistently Busy" Man, this is the reason I work in checked baggage screening so I don't have to deal with three stripers and suits breathing down your neck for 8 hours.
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I'm happy with any screening to keep children off planes.
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The TSA Blogger posted:What we did: That's on the front page of The TSA Blog linked earlier. The TSA Blogger posted:We don’t prohibit public, passengers or press from photographing, videotaping, or filming at screening locations. You can take pictures at our checkpoints as long as you’re not interfering with the screening process or slowing things down. We also ask that you do not film or take pictures of our monitors. That's from TSA checkpoint photography guidelines page. The TSA Blogger posted:An individual approached a general aviation ramp at Knox County Airport (RKD) and stated that aircraft were buzzing his house and if it did not stop, he was going to shoot one down. That last quote is pretty good example of why I'm looking through the blog.
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Death Himself posted:How am I being obtuse? Go check out the TSA blog I linked. People are literally hiding knives in the lining of their pants, loaded guns inside stuffed toys, knives inside their shoes, knives inside their own bodies. It almost feels like a parody or something with how intent some people seem to be on sneaking weapons onboard planes no matter where or how they have to hide them. Metal detectors and scanners, like the rest of the world uses. I didn't see anything on that blog that wouldn't be screened out by more basic security technology.
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Super Killbot & humannature posted:Good Stuff. Thanks for the answers. I thought maybe an inert explosive still had some explosive ability but if it was just a casing then I can see it being loaded on an airplane without issue. I would not like to be the TSA agent that first found the mortar though, that’s got a be a heart pounding moment.
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there's some funny stuff on that TSA blog:quote:Items you may WANT to bring on the plane; but CAN’T… This lady is quite the joker: quote:What Not to Say at an Airport – Statements like these not only delay the people who said them but can also inconvenience many other passengers if the checkpoint or terminal has to be evacuated: And this guy was not happy with trying to sneak just one gun on the plane: quote:One passenger in San Francisco had three firearms in his carry-on bag - two loaded pistols (.38 and .40 caliber) and an unloaded .40 caliber.
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I can't help but be amazed that my cousin brought 3 pounds of bottle rockets in a plastic bag to Florida from Washington and back in the early 90s. If that happened today he'd be barred from flying forever.
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After 911 folks at gun shows quickly marketed fiberglass knives, etc. I have one somewhere.
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Chinatown posted:And 0 people intending to use them to hijack the aircraft. To be fair, considering the huge number of dumbasses with loaded firearms in their luggage, you would not want to hit turbulence and have the firearm discharge. It would suck. A lot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RKjsjNa7mI
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I considered getting a job with the TSA, if only to experience the daily grind from the other side. I have over a decade of customer service experience, have absolutely no complaints, and figure I could do the job for at least 6 months before I started to get bored with it. I'm still considering it, if only because I'd actually give two shits about the people that have to deal with the TSA...
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7thBatallion posted:I considered getting a job with the TSA, if only to experience the daily grind from the other side. I have over a decade of customer service experience, have absolutely no complaints, and figure I could do the job for at least 6 months before I started to get bored with it. I'm still considering it, if only because I'd actually give two shits about the people that have to deal with the TSA... As a dude with about seven years under my belt with the agency, allow me to offer a slice of advice: Don't. I'm like you: I think keeping my position is to the agency's benefit because I would likely be replaced with a mouth-breathing grognard. Considering my education level (2.5 years in college but had to drop out for family reasons) it is a fairly okay paying job (around 40k) for work that I never have to take home. If ANYONE is considering a job with TSA, go in with an exit strategy. Use it as a stepping stone to different federal service. Don't get sucked in like so many people and slowly get crushed under a well-intended but highly disorganized agency.
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Inzombiac posted:As a dude with about seven years under my belt with the agency, allow me to offer a slice of advice: Can you offer any specific anecdotal examples of how the TSA is a "highly disorganized agency"?
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Fuzzyjello posted:Can you offer any specific anecdotal examples of how the TSA is a "highly disorganized agency"? Nothing that will jeopardize my job, of course. What I will say is that there are so many levels of managers and supervisors that they hardly talk to one-another, all want different things and expect you to do what they want and ignore everyone else. I think a reason the grunts of the agency are such dickheads sometimes is because they are being yelled at from all sides but are not given the tools or leniency to accomplish what is asked of them. Risk-based security is what they tout as being an evolved form of what we've known as airport security. SUPPOSEDLY this means that if an officer has articulable belief that does not mesh in-line with the SOP, the agency will back them up if they agree with them. I have yet to see this in action. It's less "Feel empowered to make critical-thinking decisions about a fluid environment that brings about unpredictable context" and more "We don't trust you even though we pay and train you. Just get your superiors involved so we don't get sued."
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Inzombiac posted:Nothing that will jeopardize my job, of course. What I will say is that there are so many levels of managers and supervisors that they hardly talk to one-another, all want different things and expect you to do what they want and ignore everyone else. I think a reason the grunts of the agency are such dickheads sometimes is because they are being yelled at from all sides but are not given the tools or leniency to accomplish what is asked of them. I don't wanna turn this into an ask/tell thread, but I have to ask: I read an article that said the one sure way to make sure airlines don't lose your bag is to buy something like an unloaded starters' pistol or .22 and declare it. Because if you can prove they lost your bag with a DEADLY FIREARM contained inside, the poo poo would hit the fan. Bullshit or not?
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Inzombiac posted:As a dude with about seven years under my belt with the agency, allow me to offer a slice of advice: Or, if you do decide to stay, try your best to get the gently caress off the floor by doing something in a non screening position like working in the coordination center or training department. Or work baggage where you rarely have to interact with the passengers.
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I like how people are using words like 'grope' and 'touch' to describe a person lightly patting them down while they're fully clothed. Use the right loving word you retards. I'm sure the officer doesn't want to touch your groin or your kid anymore than you wanted them to.
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The terrorists have won.
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skaboomizzy posted:I don't wanna turn this into an ask/tell thread, but I have to ask: I cannot speak about airline policy but it would stand to reason that they would want EXTRA SPECIAL attention to be paid to such an item. Delorence Fickle posted:Or, if you do decide to stay, try your best to get the gently caress off the floor by doing something in a non screening position like working in the coordination center or training department. I wish I had the option to go to baggage. We have an in-line system that is completely away from the public and is pretty much automated (so I understand). Our issue is that, while each extra department is interesting and has cool people working in them, they are universally run by rage-bosses who are the direct catalyst in the CIRCLE OF SCREAMING.
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I know at least two perverts who signed up for the TSA just so they get to paw at every female they see. It's not unreasonable to assume quite a few of them are getting their jollies off feeling you up. Add X-rays and body detectors to the mix and its a diddlers dream job. Personally I dont want to be some fuckshits jerkoff material at the end of the day. Not to mention those detectors are proven togive you cancer edit: Just because the average normal person doesnt find a 3 year old disabled girl attractive doesnt mean noone does, I understand the parent's fear having 7 children of my own
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Speaking of fiber glass knives. You can make pretty sharp and solid knives out of porcelain. But one thing I noticed when I flew to New York one time is that it is very easy to get deadly weaponry inside the airplane. Even after all the checking and padding down, after all that they allow you into the tax free store, where you can buy big glass bottles of booze and perfume. Some which are flammable, and it easy to use a bottle of whiskey as a effective blunt weapon or as a sharp cutting weapon if broken. All that security is a joke and just for show... If anyone wants to hijack a plane it is just as easy with a little creativity. Al Qaida won... Not only because America has become a banana republic ruled by a rich minority. America has inflicted totalitarianism on itself. No matter who you vote for, you have no choice. The government have you under surveillance and even pat down your disabled children as a "normal procedure" and due to the patriot act, the president is even legally allowed to order a execution on a American citizen without a trial if all available "evidence" is secret and classified. No need to even charge them with anything, before they are put on the kill list. (Obama has killed American citizens as young as 16 year old without a official charge according to Time Magazine [http://www.time.com/time/world/arti...2097899,00.html] ) I bet the politicians love this deal, keeping you in fear with this circus every time you take a journey. "We need to grope your children, before you pass this security checkpoint". My government is also insane and do similar things, but at least noone pretends it is the choice of the people. It is so funny that some of you guys find it acceptable, it is clearly pointless... Ok maybe I cannot bring a nailclipper through security or bring more than 100ml bottle of water, but that does not stop me from stabbing people with a broken tax-free bottle and set fire to the airplane with a Hugo Boss perfume flamethrower (I could ignite the flammable liquid with a mobile phone or other electronics that I am allowed to bring into the plane or that is integrated into the plane.)
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Negerlepper posted:But one thing I noticed when I flew to New York one time is that it is very easy to get deadly weaponry inside the airplane. Even after all the checking and padding down, after all that they allow you into the tax free store, where you can buy big glass bottles of booze and perfume. Some which are flammable, and it easy to use a bottle of whiskey as a effective blunt weapon or as a sharp cutting weapon if broken. All that security is a joke and just for show... If anyone wants to hijack a plane it is just as easy with a little creativity. I could easily assemble several weapons under 10 minutes given a newspaper and a pencil. TSA is a joke, I bet there are hundreds of guns that get through for every one they find. It doesnt even matter because the only weapon someone needs is ingenuity and they will have that airplane under control and noone can stop them.
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Genderman posted:I could easily assemble several weapons under 10 minutes given a newspaper and a pencil. TSA is a joke, I bet there are hundreds of guns that get through for every one they find. It doesnt even matter because the only weapon someone needs is ingenuity and they will have that airplane under control and noone can stop them. You could fill multiple 3oz containers with nitroglycerin and they would never get checked. There's a million loopholes in TSA's policies because outright banning everything would never work.
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Negerlepper posted:Al Qaida won... Not only because America has become a banana republic ruled by a rich minority. America has inflicted totalitarianism on itself. No matter who you vote for, you have no choice. RON PAUL 2016
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Inzombiac posted:I wish I had the option to go to baggage. We have an in-line system that is completely away from the public and is pretty much automated (so I understand). Our issue is that, while each extra department is interesting and has cool people working in them, they are universally run by rage-bosses who are the direct catalyst in the CIRCLE OF SCREAMING. Your airport doesn't give you the option to put in a letter to transfer to baggage? Find out if you can, because working in baggage is quite literally peace on Earth compared to the hell of checkpoints. Oh and polo shirts and jumpsuits. As for the other departments run by rage bosses? Add incompetent wannabe RTS control freaks to that list.
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Eddain posted:You could fill multiple 3oz containers with nitroglycerin and they would never get checked. There's a million loopholes in TSA's policies because outright banning everything would never work. Well, you might. At least at larger airports they have various tools meant to sniff out (including dogs that literally do smell explosives) those 3 oz bottles of nitro. A paramedic tripped the detectors because of the residue from medical nitroglycerine spray that he'd been administering.
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What concerns me is how much they still don't catch and they are worried about a 3-year-old. I didn't even realize I had a swiss army knife and a box cutter (to cut pills) in my medicine box that I carried on the plane until I had traveled twice by plane and never once was stopped or had it removed. I realized when I got home after visiting family and was looking for something in said box and found them. Just left me bewildered and a bit frightened.
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OlmanRiver posted:They are called metal detectors, and have existed for many many years and don't create radiation. Uh, yes they do. That's kind of how they work.
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skaboomizzy posted:I don't wanna turn this into an ask/tell thread, but I have to ask: Pistols have to be checked by themselves in a locked box that you and only you have access to. You can't just toss it in your regular luggage and be in the clear.
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Sometimes parents are lovely lovely people... http://www.nodeju.com/13731/cocaine...bys-diaper.html This couple tried smuggling liquid cocaine across a border in the diaper that their baby was wearing. So, smuggling a weapon in a 3 year old's diaper isn't that far of a stretch. My personal experience with the TSA, I had accidentally forgot that I had a medium sized kitchen knife in my purse (too long a story to tell) and all they did was ask me if I wanted to mail it home or throw it out.
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Agnostic Prophet posted:Sometimes parents are lovely lovely people... Children are often used as a means of smuggling contraband into prisons, too.
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Genderman posted:I know at least two perverts who signed up for the TSA just so they get to paw at every female they see. It's not unreasonable to assume quite a few of them are getting their jollies off feeling you up. Add X-rays and body detectors to the mix and its a diddlers dream job. Personally I dont want to be some fuckshits jerkoff material at the end of the day. Not to mention those detectors are proven togive you cancer 1. TSA patdowns are always supposed to be done by people of the same gender. 2. It's not a "paw" or a "feel up." It's running a hand over the sides of fully clothed people. 3. You can see the screen of what they see with the modern scanners. At Reagan, the machine they used literally showed no detail at all. It just put a little red box over my back pocket, where I had forgotten to remove my wallet (because I wasn't familiar with the machines and didn't realize it would pick up something without metal). There's nothing diddle worthy. It looks like an illustration. 4. The machines aren't proven to give you cancer. Please.
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They should only search sandniggers, problem solved. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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As much as I hate to admit it in this thread, I work for the TSA. (Please don't hate me!) I can say for absolute certain that this child was never in any danger of being patted down. At all. Without going into too many details there was a series of highly published cases of kids getting patted down that completely freaked out higher management at TSA. As a result of this we are not allowed to touch passenger's kids. At all. Ever. Even if their stuff sets our machines off. Yeah. And to the person on the first page asking if people get put in jail for having a gun in their bag? I once saw a college student talk the airport police into letting her check the pistol we just found in her bag. And they helped her through the line when she got back. So it depends on how pretty you are?
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Orasmis posted:As much as I hate to admit it in this thread, I work for the TSA. (Please don't hate me!) I can say for absolute certain that this child was never in any danger of being patted down. At all. Without going into too many details there was a series of highly published cases of kids getting patted down that completely freaked out higher management at TSA. As a result of this we are not allowed to touch passenger's kids. At all. Ever. Even if their stuff sets our machines off. Yeah. Only if they travel domestically. Children flying internationally get no special treatment.
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Death Himself posted:Not sure. I just know that for some reason people keep trying to bring weapons onto planes. Like this: Couldn't you just use the strap on a purse?
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