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Thanks for posting this thread. I've enjoyed Ferraro's newer work but his past discography is pretty intimidating to wade into. I think there is an underlying concept for Sushi. Around the time of that album's release he periodically posted a stream of imagined over-the-top luxury products, like toilet paper made from baby seal skin (I wish I could find the exact quote but twitter isn't cooperating). To me the album seems to be a soundtrack to that level of absurd luxury. To any Ferraro fans I also recommend Hype Williams (aka Dean Blunt & Inga Copeland), who share his prankster spirit and love of blurred pop culture references but also the oddly affecting emotional moments that come unexpectedly out of the lo-fi fog. Dean Blunt recently played a live show with Ferraro which is available here. Oh and you forgot this:  EDIT- Also the upcoming Cold mixtape has a teaser site now (Warning: plays music automatically). Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Feb 24, 2013 |
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Is James Ferraro his real name?sadfly posted:Overall though Last American Hero is probably his best, and I always like to keep my vinyl copy in plain sight just to confuse people with the cover art. I just had a long conversation with a buddy about James Ferraro, Hype Williams, the aesthetic of that DIS Magazine stock issue, etc. and why I find that stuff so hysterical or otherwise appealing. We both loving lost it when I showed him that cover art.   As for vaporwave, even if there is a signal to noise problem there its still cool that people have been inspired to follow up on the concepts behind Far Side Virtual and Oneohtrix Point Never's Replica. In my opinion the best artists related to that whole thing are Vektroid and Fatima Al Quadiri.
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One thing a lot of the artist mentioned in this thread have in common, for me, is they conjure up a strong sense of setting with their music- like soundtracks to imagined virtual or hyper-real spaces.sadfly posted:I'm particularly fond of the cover art for Left Behind: Postremo Mundus Techno-Symposium myself: I hadn't seen that, that's glorious. Is the album worth a listen? quote:Have you heard Chuck Person's Eccojams? It's a tape that Dan Lopatin of Oneohtrix Point Never put out and it's definitely worth a listen. I've heard the term "proto-vaporwave" used to describe it, and from my understanding it was pretty influential in the early days of vaporwave, especially when Vektroid was putting together the New Dreams Ltd. tapes. Yeah, Oneohtrix is my favorite musician so I've tried to track down all his releases. I also have the other Chuck Person's release he did for Record Store Day, which is a bunch of "eccojams" in locked grooves so they play infinitely (or until the record wears out, I guess). acephalousuniverse posted:These things? I didn't know there was an actual tape of them, I really like this video. Yup, there's two releases (one tape and one LP) and I think that song is actually on both of them. That video is from a movie he made of music videos called "Memory Vague", its on Vimeo: http://vimeo.com/6074021
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I use Legowelt's awesome free sample packs all the time for my music but I never actually listened to his stuff, that Franz Falckenhaus release is a genius idea. Here is a music video I made (out of a happy VLC accident) for YYU, one of the artists on the Beer on the Rug label mentioned earlier. Didn't know what to do with it until this thread. the black husserl posted:I woke up this morning and realized that Boards of Canada were making this music a decade before anyone else. I mean, it's all there. "Jet Skis and Sushi" sounds like a Boards track. You could probably link BoC to most of the artists mentioned in this thread so far, but I think they were exploring quite different territory in some ways. BoC's music conjures up the mixture of confusion, horror, and nostalgia of hazy childhood memories, whereas Far Side Virtual and Sushi have a glossy, luxurious sheen that paints a "still-life" of the present rather than focusing on any real or imagined nostalgia-tinted past. That said, Vektroid's "Prism Corp" umbrella for her releases reminds me of BoC's Kaini Industries, and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3soucm9emO4this Oneohtrix song[/url] sounds like a lost BoC song with more abrasive elements overtop. quote:Music is driven by developments in technology (think harpischord->piano->synthesizer and what it's meant for music for instance) and we're currently in a kind of "saturation point" where we've kind of explored the limits of our current technology so until the next revolution / evolution occurs we are making up for lack of sonic ideas by increasing our palette of influences and conceptualizing the music in new ways. Right now there isn't much interest in creating new and interesting timbres, but reappropriating existing timbres within the context of a track, or album, or concept (a good example being JF's love of the synthesizer gamelan/pitched drum for instance) Maybe. Bedtime Reminds me of an interesting quote, I forget where I read it so I'll have to paraphrase, saying that many musicians now compose by stringing together signifiers rather than notes. That applies to a lot of the artists in this thread.
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That Psychic Stewardess album is fantastic, thanks! If we're talking Oneohtrix I'll re-post this little guide to his main albums from the vanilla ambient thread: Oneohtrix Point Never, or OPN, is Dan Lopatin, a New-Agey ambient musician from Brookyln who plays a vintage synthesizer called the Juno 60 (nicknamed Judy). He is also a co-founder and curator of the label Software, which consistently puts out great stuff. He has three main albums, each very different from the last all playing with the listeners sense of time and place in different ways: 1. Rifts   A compilation collecting songs from various self-released CDRs, cassettes, etc. he had previously put out. The songs on these discs vary from relaxed, nostalgic synth soundscapes reminiscent of Boards of Canada, to bouncy arpeggio build-ups, and finally to long droning nightmare pieces. Throughout the whole album there is a sense of deep, abstract unease, as if the listener is trapped in a timeless digital purgatory. This tension periodically erupts into abrasive arpeggio explosions, before subsiding back into droning noise, as on highlight track "Learning To Control Myself". Rifts explores timelessness; it suspends the listener in soundscapes that seem endless and outside of time or space. Take note of song titles like "Months" or "Zones Without People". Also of note is the subversion of familiar 'retro' or 'new age' sounds; Lopatin borrows the signifiers of relaxation and spirituality from those genres (ie. the rushing water and birds on "Format and Journey North", but tends to twist them around to be ominous, threatening, or overwhelming. This goes back to oiseaux's explanation of the two approaches to representing the psychedelic experience in music (see the OP), and Rifts blends both together. This compilation was recently re-issued with an added third part collecting 13 of Lopatin's other songs from his rare cassette and CDR releases. Definitely worth diving into. Example song 1: "Russian Mind" on YouTube (this unofficial music video is worth watching for the way it perfectly captures the aesthetic of this album, IMO) Example song 2: "Betrayed in the Octagon" on YouTube 2. Returnal  This is OPN's most relaxing and purely ambient work, once you get past the abrasive first track; a car wreck of crunchy noise, lasers, and horrific samples pummeling your eardrums for 5 minutes before melting away into gentle ambiance. Unlike the intimidating Rifts, this album is best experienced as a whole. Each track flows nicely into the next, and afterward you feel as if you've been taken on a beautiful journey. I often put on this album when I have a really bad headache, and feel the tension in my head drift away. Returnal is using a similar sonic palette as Rifts, but the main difference is that the sense of timelessness is gone, and indeed more elements are added to mark the passing of time. Instead the album seems to be, again, taking the listener on a journey, and the song titles match this shift in theme ("Where Does Time Go", "Pelham Island Road"). This album's title track is Lopatin's first to incorporate his vocals, in a bizarre ode to the internet as a "self-atomizing machine". There is also a separate Returnal EP with a gorgeous piano and vocal cover of that song. Example song: "Ouroboros" on YouTube Stream the entire album: http://www.xlr8r.com/news/2010/06/stream-new-oneohtrix-point-never (don't say I didn't warn you about that first track) 3. Replica  This album is a huge departure from the last two, emphasizing beats and samples for the first time and de-emphasizing the role of the Juno 60 synth. As a result this is his least ambient album, but it has the most range of the three. The stoner sci-fi concept behind this album was to imagine what the sounds of our era, especially the disposable stuff like advertising jingles or "muzak", would sound like if it was pieced together by curious anthropologists in the far future. Hence the title "Replica". To this end, much of the album was created using samples from old commercials; little-sound bites like the satisfied "aaah" of someone acting in a soda commercial, taken out of context and cut up in often jarring ways. Once again, Lopatin is playing with the listener's sense of time and place, but in a very different manner than before; here he removes us from our current time and culture and asks us to look back on them from a distance. This album is at times haunting, silly, relaxing, caustic, and melancholy. Truly a unique listen. Example song 1: "Power of Persuasion" on Vimeo Example song 2: "Replica" on YouTube (official music video) Example song 3: "Sleep Dealer" on Vimeo (official music video by Hype Williams / Dean Blunt & Inga Copeland) BONUS Check out this horrific remix Oneohtrix did of a Gonjasufi track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWAtAIDJH0Q Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Apr 15, 2013 |
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Wow Stellar Om Source owns.me your dad posted:Thanks for the words on Oneohtrix Point Never. I remember when Replica came out, but I dismissed as some synthpop kind of thing. I'm listening to Rifts right now and I can't believe I have 28 more tracks to look forward to. This is perfect. Haha synthpop? Oneohtrix has a bunch of other releases in the same style. I already mentioned Returnal, but I'd also recommend the ep Ruined Lives and his collaboration with Mark McGuire (previously in the band Emeralds) Skyramps - Days of Thunder. Here is a sample song, which is just gorgeous: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH_ygB_uZ0o As for other artists, I'm finding that the previously posted Legowelt side-project The Psychic Stewardess scratches the same itch for me. Some Others: Emeralds - Does It Look Like I'm Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpaLm88PHz0 Dopplereffekt - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ciBrKUefM8 (one of Oneohtrix's older influences for Rifts, there are a lot but I'm not familiar with many of them) Raglani - Real Colors Of The Physical World - http://vimeo.com/54436251 (haven't fully listened to this album yet, but it seems to be similar in style)
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Ferraro's Cold Mixtape is out now: http://t.co/po9Rus9WSK efb
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Masonic Youth posted:Is there a good blog that keeps up with this sort of music and/or posts tracks or reviews or videos or whatever? I liked Altered Zones a lot while it existed, and I've seen some of these artists mentioned on Gorilla vs Bear from time to time, but is there an especially good site that I can subscribe to and be fed a constant stream of this stuff? I like Tiny Mix Tapes, but I know some people are put off by their often hyperbolic and self indulgent leanings so your mileage may vary (for example, last year they gave a glowing review and highest recommendation to the debut album by reality TV's "Teen Mom" Farrah Abraham). They do regularly cover the vast majority of musicians listed in this thread. Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Mar 26, 2013 |
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oiseaux morts 1994 posted:The TMT post about Cold seems to be a peice of fan-fiction between Ferraro and Triad God. Suffice to say I do not read this website. Case in point. I'd compare their writing to Ferraro releases: very hit and miss (just like the Cold mixtape); they're at least trying to do something interesting with their respective mediums but their experiments aren't always successful. I think we can agree that there's room for experimentation in criticism, right? Just like your original post in this thread captures some of the essence of music you're talking about by seeding the text with so many hyperlinks. Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Mar 26, 2013 |
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Look's like Vektroid has a new album out on 4/20. She seems to be posting new songs or snippets daily on her YouTube page. Also her old videos are really awesome, probably the best examples of that stolen VHS aesthetic I've seen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3tfzVJHoGw
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Maybe I missed something, but isn't that crack at the end about "casinowave" making fun of the same thing that you guys are? I suppose the difference between the progenitors of vaporwave (Far Side Virtual, Replica) is that you can delve into those releases and find a lot of thematic depth and numerous tiny details hidden within, coming away with a different impression each time. Both albums are asking the listener to think differently about the culture we live in, to step back and view it from a distance. The same can't really be said of many of the newer releasing being grouped under the same label, in general they're more interested in the aesthetic than saying anything with it. That's fine by me, though, since its something that happens to all genres and scenes eventually and I've enjoyed some of the bandwagon jumper's releases even if they're not as meaningful to me as the stuff Ferraro, Lopatin, or Vektroid have put out. It occurred to me that I wrote that whole post summarizing Oneohtrix's main releases but I didn't really explain the unifying theme between all of them, which is playing with the listener's perception of time and place in three different ways. I went back and added some more analysis to that post. Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Apr 15, 2013 |
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Of course, and I can't claim to know the intentions of these people anyway. When I say "they're more interested in the aesthetic than saying anything with it" I mean that's the impression I get from the releases in question (the music and context like artwork or videos), not that I really know the intentions behind them. To me a really great album is more than the sum of its parts; the music, concept, aesthetic/artwork, song titles, flow between songs, and context all work together in a greater whole. It doesn't really matter if the connections between all those elements were intended from the beginning. Mulholland Drive is my favorite film, and that was cobbled together from a failed television pilot but in the end all the elements came together for my viewing, and it only seems more unified on subsequent viewings. Another example is Oneohtrix's Rifts, which seems thematically unified to me even though its really just a compilation of various tracks from other small releases. For an example to do with vaporwave, this album (Vektroid - Starcalc) is a good example of a release that works for me. It's all in the details, like the artwork connects nicely with the interludes throughout the album of beach sounds and Carl Sagan's musings on the universe. For a counterexample, there is Girls Only by ESPRIT Fantasy. I enjoyed listening to this the other day, but there seems to be no unifying ideas there (except maybe "stuff associated with Vaporwave"). You could call it a meta-commentary, but that still seems at odds with the actual musical experience and therefore unsatisfying. Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Apr 15, 2013 |
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This new Hype Williams song/remix is genius: http://soundcloud.com/pvt/vertigo-hype-williams-slapback Also here is a picture of Dean Blunt's (one of the fake members of the band) recent gallery show:  Yes, that is an "All Dogs Go to Heaven" DVD taped to the wall. Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Apr 19, 2013 |
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Two new Vektroid (Prism Corp) albums have been released by Beer on the Rug today: Home: http://beerontherug.bandcamp.com/album/home-tm  ClearSkies™: http://beerontherug.bandcamp.com/album/clearskies-tm
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Koholint posted:The first track on Home is literally a midi version of Phil Collins's Easy Lover and the rest is just about as funny from what I've listened to so far. Is this the same person that did Macintosh Plus? Yeah, she has releases under the names Vektroid, Macintosh Plus, Laserdisc Visions, and 情報デスクVIRTUAL among others.
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New Dean Blunt (of Hype Williams, as well as Dean Blunt & Inga Copeland) album came out today and blew me away. I'm a big fan of Hype Williams but this is something else, like they stopped holding back or hiding and went all out. Don't get me wrong, its still rough around the edges and filled with Blunt's unapologetically off-key crooning. But now he's backed by a fuller array of instrumentation and the album is anchored by a simple yet emotional underpinning that contrasts nicely with the typical prankster hi-jinks the duo usually indulge in. Best part so far is the sudden solo of horror movie violins in the title track which may or may not be sampled from actual horror movies. Everybody listen to this album. It's streaming on Pitchfork for some reason (they panned his last release) and available to download on Boomkat (maybe iTunes too, by now).  Pitchfork Stream Boomkat If anyone is wondering what is up with the whole Hype Williams thing, here is a pretty good article that sums up their appeal and enigma. Also please don't let this thread die 
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sadfly posted:Just got Ferraro's Clear as well as a couple Skaters albums on vinyl recently... OM, did you know he released a DVD? Here it is on Vimeo: http://vimeo.com/41372360
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Well, he released Instrumental Tourist and Music For Reliquary House since then. But yes, I really want to hear the next step for his proper albums. Here is the only clue we have on the sound of his new material (as far as I've seen): quote:The performance, titled Reliquary House, with visuals by Nate Boyce, has been done before at MoMA, but we were given a huge shock right beforehand: The program director made his announcements and then casually ended with, “I just talked to Dan, and he said he has mostly new material tonight.” Before that massive news could even really be processed by any of us, Lopatin and Boyce came out and started. From http://www.tinymixtapes.com/live-blog/oneohtrix-point-never
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Since this thread came back from the dead again, Inga Copeland from Hype Williams has a free mixtape up right now: http://soundcloud.com/cplnd/sets/inga-copeland-higher-powers-1/ I like it a lot better than her solo ep from earlier this year. Quantum of Phallus posted:Instrumental Tourist could never live up to my insane expectations. I should give it another listen someday. But the idea of OPN and Hecker jamming was too much for me. I was disappointed with it at first as well, but then I listened to it on a long walk through the snow at night and it began to work for me. So maybe try that? I think that album peaks too early with Intrusions, though. Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Jun 18, 2013 |
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oiseaux morts 1994 posted:New OPN record, out on Warp - R PLUS SEVEN Awesome! His site is now streaming a loop from the album: http://pointnever.com/ EDIT- And if you click on the album art you hear a different loop, then a third one for the back of the album. It all sounds like a continuation of Replica's sound. Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Jun 19, 2013 |
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oiseaux morts 1994 posted:Just checked out ESN, it's very cool, like bizarro opening TV news themes Do either of you have any info on that album? Google is not being very helpful when I try to search for it.
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I want to know who writes all those Boomkat descriptions, like is it a single person doing all of them or do they have some kind of style manual that makes it seem that way? They're usually both hilariously over-the-top but somehow winningly genuine in their passion for all kinds of music.
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Here's a newly released song from Ferraro's upcoming album (no singing in this one): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR7W8AunZ_s
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oiseaux morts 1994 posted:OPN put out a full track off R Plus Seven. Sheer hyper-reality to the point of seasickness. I really like this song, and the video, but I don't know if I want a whole album of this from him. Hopefully this is like the "Child Soldier" of the new album. quote:They're interesting, because of the necessity to sell the music rather than critique it, yet they always find something meaningful to say. Yeah, exactly.
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New Oneohtrix album leaked out the other day. I really like it, but I'm still trying to figure out how it fits with his other work. As I said in my overview earlier in the thread, each of his main albums explores different takes on the concept of time. R Plus Seven follows their naming scheme of those albums (they all begin with R) but its not clear how it follows from their themes.Mutation posted:uh, At one point he was going to release a record called SAVE THE PLANET (something like that), and the previews for that had the same kinda sound and aesthetic as this track. I thought that project got absorbed into Sushi, but Sushi was slicker and more minimal so maybe SAVE THE PLANET is still forthcoming.
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Oneohtrix fans in here should check out his remix from the deluxe edition of the new NIN album.sadfly posted:new Dean Blunt record just came out of nowhere a couple days ago. on my first listen right now, whoa. it's pretty much a sequel to The Redeemer, but much shorter and possibly more optimistic? dramatic? I can never find the right words to describe this guy... drat. so good. Ya, its really great. The song with Joanne Robertson is gorgeous. Word is neither Dean Blunt nor Inga Copeland are going to be working with Hype Williams anymore, although the band is continuing in some form anyway. I had assumed the other supposed members of the group were fictional, but maybe not. Here is a new solo song from Inga Copeland, now using her own solo youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBbxCHy40ec
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That video actually fits pretty well with Oneohtrix's music as a whole. To me his work has always felt like its about creating and/or exploring these hermetic virtual worlds- the nostalgic and timeless "zones without people" of Rifts, the gorgeous sonic landscapes of Returnal, or the bizarre stoner sci-fi backwards-looking future of Replica. This video pairs his song with another closed world alien to most of us (I'm assuming), that of anime/hentai/furry fetishists. The overall impression I got was that the fantasy is no longer enough for people engaging in these fetishes, they need their fantasies to be mirrored in the real world. Hence the real women gyrating with fake anime faces on- It's like hyper-sexualized anime women are no longer abstracted representations of real women, but rather real women are a flawed reflection of anime and must be molded to live up to that ideal. The sign has become more important, and more appealing, than what it signifies. Something I often wonder about is the effects of internet porn on sexuality, and how bizarre it is that even the most sexually active people in my generation will probably end up watching way more strangers having sex than they will have real sex themselves. Anyway, I'm still not sure how the new album fits in with the themes running through the other main OPN releases that I mentioned earlier in the thread. Maybe the title is a clue- all his main albums names' start with R, so R plus Seven means he's taking their ideas as a starting point but adding a bunch more? Mike_V posted:EDIT: Did they add that monologue just for the video? I really like it with the instrumental. Yeah, its not on the album. Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Sep 26, 2013 |
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Quantum of Phallus posted:(x-post from a/d/n) The thing is, the obscurity of the images is not really the impressive part of the video.
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That OPN AMA was pretty good. Lopatin is always so drat casual but then he says something really smart out of nowhere, like that quote oiseaux posted. I didn't feel like that Still Life video was primarily judging furries or the other subcultures it depicted. Actually it made me realize that what people get (or want to get) out of those fetishes is maybe not too far off from what I get out of Oneohtrix's music- a realization which isn't entirely comfortable, but which is valuable to me. This is a really interesting interview with James Ferraro. Most interesting part, to me, is the distinction he makes between the dark humor of his work and the conception of his albums as jokes or of him as a prankster. http://www.stereogum.com/1504091/qa...ises/interview/ EDIT- Also NYC Hell is available on Boomkat right now. Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 07:15 on Oct 14, 2013 |
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Killsion, maybe try reading the interview with Ferraro I posted?
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Killsion posted:My criticism is a sonic one. It's just a different experiment.
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Mikhail Gorbachev posted:I know y'all have got your brains on Ferraro frequencies today, but peep this cool interview with Dean Blunt. It's great, even though it raises far more questions than it answers. Thanks for posting this. Re: the first paragraph, its hard to imagine Blunt having "people".
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I've found Ferraro's meandering vocals hit and miss in the past, but I actually think they fit this album quite well. I don't think he's being ironic or parodying anything, he's just expressing his feelings through his voice without much thought or polish going into it.Mutation posted:But yeah, great album. It's like a soundtrack to a modern day Eraserhead. Its even closer to this short PSA by Lynch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSWv90msTUc
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Mutation posted:HOLY poo poo. THAT AIRED ON TELEVISION? Haha awesome.
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No, that's all good stuff. No need to be so self deprecating, we're talking about big ideas but we're still just dudes chatting on the internet. This thread is getting into very JG Ballard territory, especially the themes of The Atrocity Exhibition. Any other Ballard fans in here? I know he was a big influence on Oneohtrix. I recommend that book specifically to you, Another Person. Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 09:42 on Nov 6, 2013 |
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Answers Me posted:Adam Harper wrote a thing about the new OPN. I normally love his writings about this kind of music, but I found this really gushing and not really saying anything. Would be curious to know your thoughts: http://www.dummymag.com/features/essay-adam-harper-on-oneohtrix-point-nevers-r-plus-seven This guy seems to be interpreting what Oneohtrix is trying to do almost opposite to me, especially with that last paragraph. Part of the concept of R Plus Seven seems to be questioning why it is we collectively attach such strong sentiments and expectations to just timbres of sound. Like why is a saxophone so widely associated with cringe-worthy "cheesiness', where did that even come from and why does it persist even for generations of people who weren't around when sax was a big trend in popular music? So having the ending of the album be "sentimental", because it uses timbres and structures associated with sentimentality, is totally in line with that concept. It's a smart idea to put something "pleasant and relatable" at the end of an album full of odd silences, thwarted expectations, and re-purposed signifiers. In a context of questioning how we experience music are those sounds really still "pleasant and relatable" or are they as alien and bizarre as the rest? Another Person posted:I wanted a blank slate. I intended to approach it with an initial and nothing more, like K. from Kafka's work, and not divulging any of the details of their appearance, age, ethnic origin and so on. Yeah, Ballard's characters tend to be exactly like that. Or at least they're half-way between blank slates and Ballard himself- maybe everyone thinks of themselves as the default person, in a sense. If you do read that book make sure you get the edition with his annotations, written years later and explaining the progress of his ideas since the initial publication. Also his short stories are a good reference point for Oneohtrix's early work, by the way. Bigup DJ posted:What I've taken from OPN is that there is holiness in everything, there is beauty in everything, and that no matter how 'alienated' we become there will always be the potential for immanence, punctum, religious experience. It's the idea that the fake trombone sound or the anime mask can go beyond the 'close enough', that it can go beyond the logic of representation and mimesis and take on a life of its own - a life just as real as that of the 'real' trombone. Declaring a trombone sound more 'real' than any other is just the same as saying your sexuality is more 'normal' or that you're any more 'human' than anyone else. This is a really good summary, especially for his most recent work. Bigup DJ posted:It's like that old painting - 'Ceci n'est pas une pipe.' One mistake is to assume that this representation of a pipe really is a pipe, but the second mistake is to assume that it is a representation. It is neither a pipe, nor is it a representation of a pipe - it simply is. Whatever we decide to call it is papered on top of its pure being-in-itself. And this goes back to the problem of 'final interpretations' - there is simply the text, and the meaning produced in the process of reading-writing the text, produced by the relationship between the reader and the text. Not produced by either one of them, but by their relation. Some intertextuality with the new Gaga album right here. "Come to me, with all your subtext and fantasy, just do that thing that you do."  Mike_V posted:I don't know if this is part of your program's curriculum, but you should probably read Simulacra and Simulation by Baudrillard and Postmodernism, or, The Cultural Logic of Late Capitalism by Fredric Jameson if you want a stronger theoretical lens through which to understand some of these works. Simulacra and Simulation is a tough read, especially since I read it in translation from French. I feel like probably 75 percent of it went over my head. But read Simulacra and then watch Spring Breakers and/or Videodrome and it all starts to make sense- at least, the latter works speak more my language. Even just that picture oiseaux posted up there does a good job of showing the main idea of both hyperreality and a lot of this music. Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Nov 7, 2013 |
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Another Person posted:I am enjoying it a lot though - everything I have read so far fits with how I think. It sounds ridiculous, but I think I accidentally came to understanding the core concepts of postmodernism before even knowing what it is. What does it say about me? Get some loving sleep, you weirdo, probably. That makes perfect sense actually. If these ideas are actually relevant to our lives and not just word salad for ivory tower denizens to jerk off over then of course we understand them on some level- We all live in the world Baudrillard et al are describing every day! Same goes for the musicians mentioned in this thread: They may not be purposely saying to themselves "well, now I'm going to make an album version of Baudrillard's America", they may never even have heard of him or his terminology beyond that quick mention in The Matrix, but they're coming at the same ideas from different angles because those things are part of the water we're all swimming in.
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Mutation posted:Is there a raw version of that Problem Areas video? I've been using stills from it as my desktop background and I wish there wasn't that awful Youtube dithering. Well many of the stills were from pre-existing works by Takeshi Murata, so they can be found on Google Image Search. It's also on Vimeo, possibly better quality: http://vimeo.com/71500051
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Mike_V posted:Here, have a new JF track called Domestic Violence https://soundcloud.com/b-e-b-e-t-u-n-e/domestic-violence Wow I didn't expect that sound from him (in the first half). BKPR posted:Bebetunes/Bodyguard has been in my playlists a lot recently. What's some other good stuff to check out in this vein? I like Fatima Al Qadira, but her stuff doesn't hit that same itch. Well here is one song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1IYh4u0hUM Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Dec 10, 2013 |
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oiseaux morts 1994 posted:new JF sideproject incoming 2014 by the looks o' it ( see https://twitter.com/GRAPES___ ). its pretty good, despite the fact he thinks he's from compton. love those sample flourishes every now and then, and actual singing What's that long sample at the beginning taken from?
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