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Islamic cleric Aby Usamah At-Thahabi will be speaking at my University on the 28th. On the subject of homosexuality, At-Thahabi has gone on record saying “do you practice homosexuality with men? Take that homosexual man and throw him off the mountain" and asking “If I were to call homosexuals perverted, dirty, filthy dogs who should be murdered, that’s my freedom of speech, isn’t it?" He has also gone on-record endorsing the murder of the kuffar, and that “whoever changes his religion from al-Islam to anything else, kill him in the Islamic state”. So that's gays and non-Muslims. What about women in general? At-Thahabi has said their "intellect is incomplete". My University (Reading) last year got a lot of bad publicity when a member of the Atheist Society (I know the specific stinkyhole who did it in question) wrote "Mohammed" on a nametag and placed it on a pineapple at a societies fair. There was a whole lot of hubbub over offended students and poor atheists screaming "MY FREEDOMS" whenever questioned about the event. The incident appeared on Have I Got News for You (a popular British panel show mocking current events) and the fallout is still kind of being felt. All the same, I feel compelled to attend the speech and question him on his beliefs. Apathy towards bigotry doesn't lead to neutrality, it leads to hate-speech and hateful attitudes becoming more and more prevalent until you get disgusting situations like this. The event is not far away and the University has shown no sign of cancelling the event. Calico Heart fucked around with this message at Feb 26, 2013 around 22:58 |
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| # ? May 19, 2013 18:09 |
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Does he do birthdays?
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| # ? Feb 26, 2013 22:43 |
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Ask him why he thinks that a prophet who was so humble that he forbid depiction of himself to keep people from idolizing him would want people to kill in his name. Edit: Alternatively, ask him how his calls for violence are any different from those who led the Crusades that massacred his people. SpiderHyphenMan fucked around with this message at Feb 26, 2013 around 22:48 |
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Yeah there really aren't a whole lot of pro-gay muslim clerics floating around guy.
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| # ? Feb 26, 2013 22:46 |
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You should convince him to let you put your dong in his butt.
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| # ? Feb 26, 2013 22:46 |
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A muslim fundie says mean things about gay people and non-muslims? Well I never!
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| # ? Feb 26, 2013 22:47 |
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I really wish I lived nearby so I could go to this, identify myself as a gay man, and then offer him a chance to throw me off the nearest mountain or alternatively just kill me with his bare hands. I can't imagine how he would react but I'm sure it would be hilarious no matter what.
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| # ? Feb 26, 2013 22:49 |
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FYI OP the guy you're talking about does alot of his talking while on opium. Not that it excuses what he says, but he does nothing with a clear head. So he could easily get called out on it when he claims that someone's intellect is incomplete.
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| # ? Feb 26, 2013 22:50 |
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Mr. Gibbycrumbles posted:A muslim fundie says mean things about gay people and non-muslims? Well I never! It's more that one is even being allowed to speak at my University. He was already turned down by another in the last couple months, so I'm baffled as to how he's just been okay'd as a speaker.
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| # ? Feb 26, 2013 22:51 |
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It's a university. One could hope that people could learn some critical thinking, and benefit from exposure to ideas they don't necessarily agree with. So, yeah, attend, and tee up some sick burns for the Q&A. But think hard about it first. If you come with some bullshit strawman, recycled talking point, or long preamble, you'll look stupid, and people will bury their faces in their programs out of shame for your weak poo poo. Why should they cancel the event? Either the guy has something interesting to say, or he's such a lightweight that an indignant sophomore can destroy him with poo poo repeated from the internet. I seriously doubt they are paying much for his time.
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| # ? Feb 26, 2013 22:52 |
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Sorry your university doesn't get speakers people should listen to.
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| # ? Feb 26, 2013 22:52 |
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I have a nice pair of assless chaps if you need something to wear at his presentation.
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Slo-Tek posted:It's a university. One could hope that people could learn some critical thinking, and benefit from exposure to ideas they don't necessarily agree with. Do universities typically invite the KKK or other violent racist groups on campus to discuss their views? Why is this any different?
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| # ? Feb 26, 2013 22:54 |
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Calico Heart posted:It's more that one is even being allowed to speak at my University. He was already turned down by another in the last couple months, so I'm baffled as to how he's just been okay'd as a speaker. The university I went to allowed a noted green anarchist to speak. Now if there's one thing the most broken, convoluted, hypocritical, and poorly thoughout thing in the world, it's Green Anarchy.
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| # ? Feb 26, 2013 22:54 |
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I'm sorry some guy from a backwards culture said some things that offended you OP. Maybe next time vote for a president with a serious interest in bringing democracy overseas?
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OP, I can't help but question your own "tolerance" when in the same post you gripe about a homophobic bigot and then call a woman a stinkyhole.
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| # ? Feb 26, 2013 22:55 |
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Offer him a pork sandwich or something?barkin at the moon posted:OP, I can't help but question your own "tolerance" when in the same post you gripe about a homophobic bigot and then call a woman a stinkyhole. I was thinking of a way to say this but couldn't articulate it properly.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Ask him why he thinks that a prophet who was so humble that he forbid depiction of himself to keep people from idolizing him would want people to kill in his name. Yeah maybe you are the guy that asks him that and finally gets him to think logically, alternatively hit him with a pie.
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barkin at the moon posted:OP, I can't help but question your own "tolerance" when in the same post you gripe about a homophobic bigot and then call a woman a stinkyhole. It was a man. Bravo on your selfless defense of a homophobe though.
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Calico Heart posted:It was a man. Bravo on your selfless defense of a homophobe though. Wow. That totally makes it alright then. My bad.
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| # ? Feb 26, 2013 22:58 |
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Calico Heart posted:[On the subject of homosexuality, At-Thahabi has gone on record saying “do you practice homosexuality with men? Take that homosexual man and throw him off the mountain" is this some borat poo poo OP you should stage a protest at your university for allowing this gay man to speak.
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| # ? Feb 26, 2013 22:59 |
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How is this dude not in prison for hate speech? I mean, the cops seem pretty good at wrapping up the EDL and other scum, so why not this dude?
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| # ? Feb 26, 2013 22:59 |
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Calico Heart posted:It was a man. Bravo on your selfless defense of a homophobe though. I'm not seeing where Barkin is defending this guy.
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| # ? Feb 26, 2013 23:00 |
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Pope Mobile posted:I'm not seeing where Barkin is defending this guy. But can you see where the OP is clearly above intolerance? Referring to a man as a stinkyhole is "progressive intolerance," transcending all gender boundaries.
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barkin at the moon posted:OP, I can't help but question your own "tolerance" when in the same post you gripe about a homophobic bigot and then call a woman a stinkyhole.  In non-American parlance "stinkyhole" doesn't specifically denote gender, and I strongly suspect that a member of the Atheist Society is much more likely to be male than female, just like a member of the Aspergers Society would be.Now, you can certainly make a point that using "stinkyhole" as a generic insult is inherently misogynistic, but I really doubt that it was actually used to refer to a woman in this case.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Ask him why he thinks that a prophet who was so humble that he forbid depiction of himself to keep people from idolizing him would want people to kill in his name. Mohammed himself never forbade people to depict him. He did however condemn idolatry, but that is hardly unique to Islam.
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Calico Heart posted:My University (Reading) last year got a lot of bad publicity when a member of the Atheist Society (I know the specific stinkyhole who did it in question) wrote "Mohammed" on a nametag and placed it on a pineapple at a societies fair. There was a whole lot of hubbub over offended students and poor atheists screaming "MY FREEDOMS" whenever questioned about the event. The incident appeared on Have I Got News for You (a popular British panel show mocking current events) and the fallout is still kind of being felt. What? A pineapple? I don't get it. Is that offensive? Is there more to this?
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Pope Mobile posted:I'm not seeing where Barkin is defending this guy. You're right, and I do apologize. It's just that in a post regarding a noted misogynist and homophobe being given an open platform at a University he decided to single out my use of phrase to describe another (albeit to a much lesser degree) bigoted individual. John McCain posted:Now, you can certainly make a point that using "stinkyhole" as a generic insult is inherently misogynistic, but I really doubt that it was actually used to refer to a woman in this case. Yeah, this is totally right. I should have perhaps used a non-gender specific phrase, even if it was to describe the opposite gender. We use the word in the UK all the time on both genders, but it is pretty bad that the most vulgar descriptive I could think of to describe the man denotes the female gender regardless. Calico Heart fucked around with this message at Feb 26, 2013 around 23:08 |
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Why even bother? I mean, do you really think that there's anything you could say to that sort of person that they would care about? Just skip it and save yourself the effort.
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| # ? Feb 26, 2013 23:04 |
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You know whats sad? The guy is legitimately a horrible person, and should be scrutinized by loads of prying questions, but instead all he'll get is Reddit level atheists trying to be pithy and smug.
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John McCain posted:
When I saw Reading I thought Pennsylvania but the link in the OP and the college are both in England. I had the understanding that people called their mates "cunts", though?
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Ashenai posted:What? A pineapple? I don't get it. Is that offensive? Is there more to this? You're not supposed to explicitly depict Mohammed in art or otherwise, I think, and that's pretty clearly a disrespectful, satirical thing. Personally I think it sounds pretty hilarious and way, way less offensive then typical Islamophobic rhetoric. It doesn't imply he was a raping murdering pedophile or anything, and makes the whole prohibition seem a little silly. I can see why it'd be considered offensive but it doesn't seem any less disrespectful then labelling a pineapple "buddha" or "kami" or whatever.
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Ashenai posted:What? A pineapple? I don't get it. Is that offensive? Is there more to this? Maybe the guy thought they were shooting an episode of Pysch.
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Famethrowa posted:You know whats sad? The guy is legitimately a horrible person, and should be scrutinized by loads of prying questions, but instead all he'll get is Reddit level atheists trying to be pithy and smug. Yup. But I'm sure that the OP will craft a rebuttal so amazing that the entire auditorium will proudly stand and slow clap their appreciation.
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Pope Mobile posted:When I saw Reading I thought Pennsylvania but the link in the OP and the college are both in England. I had the understanding that people called their mates "cunts", though? That too. It all depends on how it's said, man. If someone from the midlands used the word, I'd feel like I was in warm, friendly company. If it were someone in South London, on the other hand, I'd be be pretty scared I just said the wrong thing to the wrong fella.
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Ashenai posted:What? A pineapple? I don't get it. Is that offensive? Is there more to this? Pineapples are like Islam - people always argue over whether it enhances a pizza and, if you have too much of it, you get diarrhoea.
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Famethrowa posted:You know whats sad? The guy is legitimately a horrible person, and should be scrutinized by loads of prying questions, but instead all he'll get is Reddit level atheists trying to be pithy and smug. To be honest that's what he deserves, I hope only the most annoying, self-righteous "sky fairy" types show up because that's the level of discourse someone like this is asking for. Absolutely nothing can be gained from a polite, reasoned discussion with someone who advocates murdering people who disagree with his exact theology.
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Fandyien posted:I can see why it'd be considered offensive but it doesn't seem any less disrespectful then labelling a pineapple "buddha" or "kami" or whatever.
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Dress up as Jesus and sit in the audience shaking your head.
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Fandyien posted:You're not supposed to explicitly depict Mohammed in art or otherwise, I think, and that's pretty clearly a disrespectful, satirical thing. Personally I think it sounds pretty hilarious and way, way less offensive then typical Islamophobic rhetoric. It doesn't imply he was a raping murdering pedophile or anything, and makes the whole prohibition seem a little silly. The thing is though, it may sound lighter and sillier than most r/atheism-style attacks, but I can guarantee you it still came from a truly hateful place. Not just for Islam, mind you, but for all Religions. It was done solely to upset people, and the person in question was probably hoping to hurt as many Religious people as possible. Besides that, their (the Reading Atheist Societies') Facebook page was filled with "Mohammed slept with little girls!" comments the moment the story got any attention.
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