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Biff Rockgroin fucked around with this message at Feb 28, 2013 around 22:45 |
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| # ? May 24, 2013 20:32 |
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What did you steal from work?
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 06:50 |
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Block his number, problem solved.
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 06:52 |
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Biff Rockgroin fucked around with this message at Feb 28, 2013 around 22:46 |
| # ? Feb 28, 2013 06:52 |
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You can't go to jail, and no it's not really "black mailing" next time he texts you tell him to eat your dick. I doubt he'll call the police, even if he did they won't charge you with anything you couldn't handle with a lawyer. And no, you won't go to jail. Hell, if he thinks he can bring you to civil court you could hit him with unfit work enviroment. Jizznastics fucked around with this message at Feb 28, 2013 around 06:59 |
| # ? Feb 28, 2013 06:57 |
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The cops won't give a poo poo.
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 06:57 |
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Document all of this, record whatever you can. If you're really worried, call a lawyer. You owe him nothing, stop responding. He is acting like an angry ex who will do anything to get your attention. e: the list of 50 items? he stole all of that and is pinning it on you
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 07:07 |
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Jizznastics posted:You can't go to jail, and no it's not really "black mailing" next time he texts you tell him to eat your dick. I doubt he'll call the police, even if he did they won't charge you with anything you couldn't handle with a lawyer. Really if anything it's edging closer to extortion if this guy is trying to squeeze money from him with threats. But yeah, I seriously doubt anything is really going to come of this (beyond the bullshit he's already pulled with your paycheck). Honestly what I'd be more concerned about is if he gets wind of this new job you just interviewed for. He sounds crazy and vindictive enough to try and gently caress that up for you somehow.
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 07:10 |
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Biff Rockgroin posted:Yeah, but what happens when I'm arrested for the poo poo I didn't do? You show the cops the text message from your former boss demanding money or he will report you to the police.
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 07:11 |
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Do not talk to the police. DO NOT TALK TO THE POLICE. Even if they sound nice and like they just want your side of the story. If the police try to talk to you... to protect yourself you have to assume they are just fishing for a statement from you that could corroborate what your boss told them. Not talking cannot be held against you. Chances are without a statement from you they don't have probable cause to charge you with anything. Stop responding to your former employer, without advice from a lawyer. But save anything your former employer sends to you, include texts. Talk to a lawyer. Sue for your last paycheck if it's worth it. Stop posting admissions that you stole stuff once upon a time. They can still charge you with stuff that your employer initially let slip under the rug, if you've admitted to it.
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 07:12 |
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Biff Rockgroin fucked around with this message at Feb 28, 2013 around 22:46 |
| # ? Feb 28, 2013 07:19 |
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You're not going to prison. It is unlikely the police will care or expend much effort, if your ex-boss calls to report that maybe some stuff was stolen from his store...at some point. Even if the police took him seriously, they will not arrest you, simply because your boss tells them "I'm really sure it was Biff Rockgroin." In California, it's a violation of the state labor code, to fail to pay final wages immediately upon termination. If he still owes you wages, find the equivalent in your state and threaten to report him. Also threaten to file a claim with your state labor department. If you have to file a claim, rest assured that whatever government agency reviews your claim, will not be interested in his allegations of theft. Also, you should file the claim, because your ex-boss is an rear end in a top hat.
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 07:22 |
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Biff Rockgroin posted:The paycheck I really don't give a poo poo about. I'll let him have it considering it was only for, like, two days of work. Yeah, it sucks that I'm not getting that money, but honestly, the good part of my life is so good that losing out on a few hundred bucks isn't really registering on my radar. Well in that case you probably don't have much to worry about. The cops aren't going to give a poo poo about $60 worth of DVDs and even if this was some bizarro universe where they did care, probably at worst you might have to pay a fine. With the other stuff, your boss doesn't seem to have any proof beyond "Well I THINK he stole this stuff" and there are a lot of factors that make it pretty much impossible to determine what exactly happened as you pointed out (possible customer theft/other employee theft, a bad inventory system, etc.) Also as others said, I'd seriously consider trying to fight for that last paycheck if I were you. I can understand if you just want to cut your losses if you can and put this nutjob behind you, but if nothing else he needs to understand he can't just do blatantly illegal poo poo like this to settle a personal score. I suspect he thinks he can get away with this stuff because no one has really fought back in any meaningful way before.
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 07:43 |
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There's no reason not to fight for the last check since there's literally no reason to not pay you for the time you worked and there won't be a big legal proceeding involved. And it'll piss him off in the best way. Win win.
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 07:58 |
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Dear morons who want him to fight for the paycheck and/or anything else that doesn't involve a lawyer: he admitted to what is likely a felony and handed stolen goods back to the manager. That he didn't steal everything the manager thinks he did is sort of not very material at this point when the police get involved - and they will, because the manager thinks he stole a lot more than he did and will possibly HAVE to involve them to cover his own rear end from corporate (not to mention that if I were the manager I would be pissed enough to do it). PS: It's generally a bad idea to admit to crimes without a lawyer expressly allowing you to do so in a courtroom PPS: get a lawyer PPPS: stop continuing to confess your crimes in written form by posting them on the internet
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 08:17 |
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Adar posted:Dear morons who want him to fight for the paycheck and/or anything else that doesn't involve a lawyer: he admitted to what is likely a felony and handed stolen goods back to the manager. He admitted to stealing some DVDs. Please feel free to explain how this equates to him admitting a felony. See, I'm having trouble understanding how someone gets a felony when there is no evidence or admission of guilt concerning all of the other items, but you're clearly a professional so I will defer to your wisdom on this one.
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 08:56 |
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If you are stupid enough to talk to the police without a lawyer... deny,deny,deny. You did not steal anything, nor did you return anything - even if there were witnesses to you returning stuff(which was unbelievably stupid) and getting yelled at, it never happened. Deny all. Do not pay your boss any money as that would be an admission of guilt. They are obviously trying to pin a much bigger theft on you. And obviously, don't use them a work reference. Also, lawyer.
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 09:16 |
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I don't know how it works in America, but here in the UK if somebody reports somethng stolen, even if it's a few DVDs, then a crime has technically been committed and the police have to investigate a reported crime. They have no say-so about not investigating it. How is it different in the states? Do cops have more discretion to just wave stuff off as being not criminal enough to bother with? I'm not being obtuse here, Im genuinely interested because here stealing stuff off your employer and then handing it back and admitting it is more than enough grounds to fire somebody and have them arrested.
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 09:24 |
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Adar posted:Dear morons who want him to fight for the paycheck and/or anything else that doesn't involve a lawyer: he admitted to what is likely a felony and handed stolen goods back to the manager. Fine point here, but stealing $60 dollars worth of stuff is almost certainly a misdemeanor and not a felony. Obviously it was stupid to admit it, but that's water under the bridge now. Since you have already admitted to this OP, denying what happened could be incredibly risky. If the police do investigate you and they are able to prove you are lying they might be able to slap extra charges on you. So don't deny, just refuse to talk. The police can't make you answer their questions. Right now the charges they are capable of leveling against you are relatively insignificant. Don't give them rope to hang you with. Edit: And obviously, get a lawyer! caleramaen fucked around with this message at Feb 28, 2013 around 09:33 |
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Adar posted:Dear morons who want him to fight for the paycheck and/or anything else that doesn't involve a lawyer: he admitted to what is likely a felony and handed stolen goods back to the manager. Where do you live where theft of items worth $60 is a felony? That's a Class A Misdemeanor where I live.
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 09:32 |
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AlbieQuirky posted:Where do you live where theft of items worth $60 is a felony? That's a Class A Misdemeanor where I live. I'm thinking there may be an enhancement for employees, though I'm not a criminal lawyer so I don't know how many states have that type of thing and shouldn't have said 'likely'. But that's sort of immaterial because if/when the cops get involved he's getting charged for everything missing from the warehouse since Day 1 of getting hired. Taima posted:He admitted to stealing some DVDs. Please feel free to explain how this equates to him admitting a felony. If you think admitting "some" theft is not evidence concerning the theft of some other things from the same place in a court of law you are really, really, really dumb. Adar fucked around with this message at Feb 28, 2013 around 09:40 |
| # ? Feb 28, 2013 09:38 |
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He didn't steal it. He "borrowed" it.
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 09:44 |
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Adar posted:I'm thinking there may be an enhancement for employees, though I'm not a criminal lawyer so I don't know how many states have that type of thing and shouldn't have said 'likely'. But that's sort of immaterial because if/when the cops get involved he's getting charged for everything missing from the warehouse since Day 1 of getting hired. A prosecutor won't prosecute him for a crime that there is absolutely no evidence for. Sure, they might be able to get him on the stuff he did steal, but few prosecutors will try to prosecute a large number of completely speculative charges. It isn't particularly good for their conviction rate. Now if the boss trumps up some evidence, that is a different story.
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 09:46 |
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I think you should ask some questions here: http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...hreadid=3266659
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 09:56 |
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Dr Scoofles posted:I don't know how it works in America, but here in the UK if somebody reports somethng stolen, even if it's a few DVDs, then a crime has technically been committed and the police have to investigate a reported crime. They have no say-so about not investigating it. How is it different in the states? Do cops have more discretion to just wave stuff off as being not criminal enough to bother with? I'm not being obtuse here, Im genuinely interested because here stealing stuff off your employer and then handing it back and admitting it is more than enough grounds to fire somebody and have them arrested. You are probably right on paper but I think a bit naive if you think the police literally investigate every report about theft. I think you vastly underestimate the amount of stupid/crazy people and the police workload.
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 10:09 |
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Stop stealing poo poo from work.
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 12:17 |
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Yes, your (former) boss is committing a crime. The problem is you also committed a crime, and he's responding to that. Take solace in the fact that if one of you goes down, the both of you will. That is your silver lining. Likely, though, this will end with both of you pointing fingers, each trying to save your own reputation. I mean, you could call chicken first and try to cozy up to the cops and garner some sympathy, but they probably will give even less of a poo poo about you than they will about $60 some-odd dollars of bullshit missing from some lovely guy's store. But really, IANAL, like I said, and all I really know for sure is that crime don't pay. I learned that from you.
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 13:16 |
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http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/344420 These people were charged with a felony over $13.50 total for not paying to see a movie. Why exactly is everyone brushing the theft under the rug? OP if you get out of this bind, I hope this is a lesson on why you shouldn't steal from your employer.
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 14:22 |
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I'm shocked that you were stupid enough to bring back the items you stole. It was stupid enough to steal poo poo from work, but bringing evidence of it to your former boss is out of this world stupid. Just ignore all contact he attempts to make. Nothing will come of any of this.
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 14:37 |
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The thread title confuses me. What do you mean 'or'? EDIT: I'm just pulling your proverbial leg, but obviously stealing poo poo was stupid and wrong. Try not to do stupid or wrong things in the future. Zero chance the police are going to care enough to press charges when they learn (a) yes, the OP stole some stuff, but he subsequently returned it in full, and (b) the ex-boss has no evidence to support his allegations that the OP also stole everything ever.
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 14:44 |
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I have no idea what will come of the theft/reporting situation, but had you not stolen anything, then I would tell you plainly that your former employers are not allowed to retain your paycheck or pay you less than the agreed upon wages when you quit (or really, any other time, but there are special provisions for final paychecks in most states). His BS reasoning is even worse, as he is attempting to garnish your wages to what is below minimum wage, which is also illegal (if they had such a policy, they might be able to garnish your wages to exactly minimum wage, but not if they didn't have a policy for this and certainly not for only your final paycheck in a retaliatory manner). Actually stealing things and providing proof that it was you probably changes things, but I am not familiar with the laws regarding that. What it really sounds like is that he was attempting to blackmail you by accusing you of theft, and then found out that you really had stolen things, which set him off in a big way. There's about 0.1% chance that you can get in trouble for anything else you might be accused of stealing (unless they have evidence pointing to you, which from your account they should not), and I've never heard of a prosecutor persuing a case for so little when the merchandise was returned already. Maybe a vindictive former boss pressing charges changes that situation, but then at least he'd have to pay you for your last paycheck. You might want to talk to a lawyer about the possible outcomes, even if you don't have the money to hire one.
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 14:58 |
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Eric the Mauve posted:The thread title confuses me. What do you mean 'or'? My co-workers and I stole money from the till all the time when I worked at a sub shop in Daytona Beach. It was to go to Publix for bleach and soap because our manager refused to buy it.
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 15:05 |
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Congrats, because you are a giant idiot who gave some scumbag a bullet with your name on it, you are now in a Dirt War. The only way to win a Dirt War (besides not getting involved in the first place) is to dig up nastier dirt on him than he has on you and threaten him with it, demanding his silence. 
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 15:27 |
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Leon Einstein posted:I'm shocked that you were stupid enough to bring back the items you stole. It was stupid enough to steal poo poo from work, but bringing evidence of it to your former boss is out of this world stupid. This. I'd have pitched that poo poo in a random dumpster and told him to go gently caress himself.
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 15:49 |
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Well you're just plain hosed, good work goon.
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 16:09 |
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Jizznastics posted:You can't go to jail, and no it's not really "black mailing" next time he texts you tell him to eat your dick. I doubt he'll call the police, even if he did they won't charge you with anything you couldn't handle with a lawyer. There's nothing correct in this post and you should never, ever, give legal advice to anyone.
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 16:15 |
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The Duke of Ben posted:Actually stealing things and providing proof that it was you probably changes things, but I am not familiar with the laws regarding that. What it really sounds like is that he was attempting to blackmail you by accusing you of theft, and then found out that you really had stolen things, which set him off in a big way. OP, is the "boss" you've been referring to the owner of the store? If so, I think you're being naïve if you think you're the only one he's done this to. It really does sound like he was trying to scare you into walking away from your last paycheck and then discovered you'd actually taken things (through your admission). If you know anyone else who use to work there and left, you might want to ask if they had any problems getting their final checks. You don't need to mention anything about theft. I suspect that this guy has done a lot worse than you have.
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 16:17 |
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OP, bringing those items back was the dumbest thing you could do. Even if the rest of the items on your boss's "list" wasn't taken by you, just proving yourself to be a thief is enough to give him basis to contact the cops. "I've recently fired an employee and upon his termination I went through my inventory and found missing items. I contacted the former employee about the missing items and he brought back 7-8 DVDs and Blue Rays that he took out of the store. There are many more items missing and I'm at a loss at what to do next." This is what your boss can say to the cops. Guess whose side they will take. Do not loving incriminate yourself. During trials, the prosecution often wants to prove first and foremost that the defendant is lying. If you are labeled a liar, you are already figthing an upwards battle. In your case, you already proved yourself to be a thief. Even if you aren't responsible for the other missing merchandise guess who's the first person they will question. My advice to you is to stop contacting your former boss, stop answering his calls and stop answering his texts. If the cops do come (highly unlikely, he's probably trying to scare you) don't say anything and ask for a lawyer. You'll most likely get off with nothing and there is NO WAY to persuade a cop to let you go by being rational with them. The general rule is that a cop will never help your case with information beneficial to you, but will always use what you told him if it can incriminate you further. Cops aren't the law, they just bring you to someone who is allowed to make judicial decisions.
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 16:22 |
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Keri posted:OP, is the "boss" you've been referring to the owner of the store? It's also likely that employees stealing from him is commonplace. In theory stealing is wrong no matter what; in practice it wounds a lot of people's consciences a lot less to steal from an abusive douchebag.
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| # ? Feb 28, 2013 16:24 |
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| # ? May 24, 2013 20:32 |
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If O.P. hadn't stolen from his place of work, my advice would be to fight for the last paycheck. Since you stole, I'd just call it even, because the few hundred bucks or whatever is probably not worth the time and energy of dealing with a potential legal matter. Report him to the state labor board if you'd like. Otherwise, block his number and do not under any circumstances talk to the police. Do not "deny, deny, deny" because it is a crime to lie to the police. It is not a crime to not talk.
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