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ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

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Warning: Dangerous amounts of Anime ahead

"What is Disgaea?" I can hear you ask; the simple answer is it's a very well crafted SRPG where you lead a army of self-made demons on various goofy campaigns.

It's known for it's sub par voice acting (usually), exploding penguins, and it's somewhat clever dialogue that often makes fun of stereotypical JRPG themes, random pop culture references and a handful of groan worthy internet memes. This is a series that prides itself for never creating a fourth wall in the first place and stuffing as much content into a game as possible. The only real downside to it being the (up until recently) reused sprites that only had minor upgrades per game (I'll post a example of sprites per game just because.)



Disgaea: Hour of Darkness (PS2, PSP, DS)

This game follows the exploits of the dark prince overlord of a Netherworld, Laharl who has awoken from a century long sleep by his Vassal Etna. Turns out while he was sleeping his unstoppable father choked on a pretzel and kicked it and now Laharl suddenly has to deal with demons that would want to murder him to become the overlord, and a deadly(?) angel assassin Flonne. After a few exchanges Flonne figures that maybe demons aren't really evil selfish assholes (despite Laharl's best efforts to prove otherwise) and sets off to prove her theory that demons are capable of emotions other then just being violent creatures. The story soon goes crazy and things go south fast.

Gameplay featured grid based combat and that's about it. It has a handful of "Puzzle" maps but it's relatively simple if not a little bit slow.

You could create just about any class you want from a large library of faceless minions ranging from typical wizards and thieves to shark dragons and disgruntled pumpkin people. If it's in the game and not a named character; you can unlock if for your own use and even make it stronger then actual story characters!

But then, here comes the biggest reason this game is loved, the final boss is level 100, normally in rpg's and the like this is absolutely absurd and the limit, but Disgaea as a whole chooses to go well above that and let you go up to level 9999. It doesn't even stop there as you can even reincarnate your characters lowering them to level 1 (and a different class) and have them keep a percentage of stats. If you stick around for the postgame of the series you'll have a level 1 unit capable of killing the final boss by just blinking at it. It's absurd.

But, why stop at leveling up your characters? Why not level up your weapons, armor, gum, or whatever item you can get your hands on? In disgaea you can dive into for randomly generated dungeons, where the deeper you get into the items levels (depending on the rarity of said item) the stronger it gets, making it possible to turn a butter knife into a broadsword. Only really dangerous aspect of this is the rarer the weapon the harder the monsters inside it will be; and all monsters level up based on what floor you're on.

That's sadly about where the innovation in Disgaea ends a brilliant entry into the world of SRPG's though.


DS Exclusives and Additions
+ New cameo characters
+ Online wi-fi battles
+ Entire Second Story mode staring Laharl's vassal Etna
- Less voice acting
- Lags a bit and moves even slower than the original.


PSP Exclusives and Additions
+ Fully Voiced
+ Entire Second Story mode staring Laharl's vassal Etna.
+ DLC characters from the second game and beyond




Disgaea 2: Cursed Memories (PS2, PSP)

Storyline behind this game is a overlord of another Netherworld has invaded a rather peaceful land and has begun changing all humans into various demons, forcing them to be his servants and work for him. A small family in a simple town of Veldime stand to stop this by training the last full human, Adell so that he may battle the evil Overlord Zenon. His family prepares and goes through with a binding summoning ritual to call forth Zenon... ends up kidnapping Zenon's daughter Rozalin on accident. The quest then spirals into him trying to take her home (as he doesn't believe in kidnapping) so he can kill her dad and break the curse over his village, family, and world, idiots of all flavors getting in his way as he soon begins to grow close to his "hostage".

Gameplay changes
-Several new classes and monster types you can create, with new unlockables.
-Jury sessions, you can be arrested for murdering people too hard, being nigh unstoppable and destroying the poo poo out of everything,and various other silly things. The thing is, as the world is run by demons this is a good thing, and if you go through each session you'll actually get stronger and have more options in battle for your infamous behavior.
-Bills, this was in Disgaea 1 but it was rather crude, in D2 you can pass bills to give you more exp in your next fight, level up enemies for more exp, make enemies weaker if you're having too much trouble, go to bonus maps to find cameo characters and several other things
-Reference onslaught, not sure if I should count this but all items have jokes on them, where most games talk about how "This sword has runes from eldergods" etc on it, this game prefers to fill that with jokes, Wizard hats request you to put on your robe as well, beserker gloves love you like a truck and several other small gags. From this point on the Disgaea series will never take it's weapons or skill names seriously.
-The Land of Carnage is added. It's a pain to get to but the game offers all the maps from the story only remixed to be insanely difficult; though granting better loot and rewards.


PSP Exclusive
+ A second storyline telling the tale of everyone's favorite anti-hero, Axel
+ DLC characters and missions (some totally free)
+ A wide range of features that were in 3. You can now turn monsters into weapons and various other things
+ More post game content and cameo's from Disgaea 3



Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice (PS3, Vita)

The game features super smart kid genius Mao who lives in a netherworld that's run as a school for demons in different dimensions, his father being the overlord ruler of said school. One day Mao was playing a video game on his portable system... only for his dad to step on it ruining his hours of hard work in the game, this is enough to motivate him to stay home and look up as many comics and games as possible so he can learn how to be a super hero so he can murder his dad. One day a young hero named Almaz wanders into the school as he heard a princess he likes was trapped in there (she wasn't), and despite being a coward he aspired to help her... Sadly he's captured by Mao who steals his actual in-game title of "hero" and makes Almaz a demon who then can't leave, after a small bit Mao wonders why this isn't working then he learns he made a mistake, the title was "Wannabe hero" and he then becomes desperate to get his title back, dragging classmates and such along with him through his heart (literally) revealing his deepest thoughts that he's kept locked away revealing the true history of his dad and such.

If that sounds bad it's because it is. Disgaea 3 easily has the worst plot of all 3 due to people thinking Disgaea 2's story was more toned down in humor. Instead of working on it they tried to copy/paste Laharl and... it just doesn't go well. You could skip all the cutscenes if you wanted and wouldn't lose much.

Gameplay Changes
- Your monster type characters can now team up with human/demon types to transform into weapons for them, exploding penguins can become guns, dragons turn into swords, gollems turn into axes etc.
- Removing some classes that overlap with each other, adding new ones in their place
- Pirating, now you can go into items pillaging small innocent villages that reside in weapons, gaining newer items in your items
- Class system, you can assign your characters into clubs that give your units special perks, such as having your favorite four characters sit in the corners of your classroom to get extra exp, set some classmates by them and have them join a club that steals a portion of exp for themselves etc.
- Plenty of cameo and main characters returning from past NIS games/concepts


Vita Exclusives
+ All DLC from the PS3 games are included. There's a LOT to do now.
+ Raspberyl mode; a 4 part DLC chapter is included
+ There's 4 new stories all together in the post game featuring different leads and even introduced new characters as a whole.
+ Fuka and Desco from 4 show up and you can even make your own Desco units!
+ A handful of new weapons are introduced
+ Generic units you create have their own unique abilities now making Generics even more useful (previously only story characters had unique abilities)
+ You can now combine units; if a warrior absorbs a mage the warrior will now have access to the mages abilities.



Disgaea 4 (PS3, Vita)

Finally getting new high quality sprites Disgaea 4's plot thankfully proves that Disgaea 3 was a sad fluke.

The story follows Valvatorez, a former vampire tyrant who refuses to drink human blood. He currently works as a Prinny instructor and it's his job to train the souls of the corrupt so they can reincarnate after paying off their sins. One day while working with his comrade, Fenrich (a werewolf), the prinny Valvatorez is training are kidnapped and sentenced to death! This leads the promise obsessed vampire into a rather... interesting plot about the corruption of the government he works for and his violent takeover.

Gameplay Changes
- New Classes to pick from. Some old ones are gone but the newer ones fill in the blanks really well
- A new map system; in your HQ you can build structures to give your units effects in battle as well as position things so that shops have different items
- Online map making; though the English version is severely neutered. Using a handful of shapes you can build maps and use your team as enemies for people to fight.
- Pirate crafting. You can now set up your own item world pirates and have them go head to head with other teams. Includes a leaderboard
- poo poo ton of DLC characters; as well as a 4-chapter story focusing on Fuka and Desco; two of the main characters.


Vita Exclusives
+Generics now have unique abilities similar to D3's vita release making them a lot more important
+All DLC from the Ps3 version is included, this means all the bonus modes, ship parts, and stories are there.
+A new story featuring Fuka and Desco going to the past to witness the era of Tyrant Valvatorez.
+Spells now reach Peta strength
+Stronger items lurk in the post game
+Reworked entrance to the Land of Carnage and general tweaks to make the post game less of a slog.
+Added Disgaea D2's cheat shop!! Holy cow! Adjusts enemy levels, give yourself more exp/mana/money for no good reason n more!
+:siren:There's a bug with the Baciel monster classes English voice. If they say a certain line the game locks up for some unknown reason. If you see one in your game switch over to Japanese voices in the settings menu:siren:



Disgaea D2 (PS3)

:siren:SAVE OFTEN, THERE'S A BUG WITH FIRE ELEMENT ATTACKS THAT CAN FREEZE THE GAME:siren:
Disgaea D2 is the first true sequel to a Disgaea game, which means it's easy to confuse people with that title. Disgaea D2 follows Laharl shortly after he takes the throne of Overlord and his struggles to rule- including it's first crisis as Angels begin to vanish and the netherworld is pinned for it, to his own strange transformations into a girl and more. NIS created this game as filler if we're going to call a spade a spade. In the process of making Disgaea 5 the producers decided they'd make this game to test a few things and see how well the public reacts to them. That said, it's still a good game- it's just a slight bit different then what's become the norm in the series.

Gameplay Changes
- A new weapon class entirely is introduced. You can now use summoning books.
- A relationship system is introduced. There's no dating or anything stupid like that but the longer you have units help each other the more they'll use protect commands in battle (take a shot for a friend) or join in on the attack
- You can now mount monster class units to combine strengths and use tag-attacks
- Generic units have traits you can pick from that alter their stats in various ways or how they work.
- Most Disgaea 1 monsters return for the first time in years, as well as a handful of new ones
- The Cheat Shop is introduced, you can now adjust how much exp/mana/money you get
- Reworked balance, the game's staple status elements are now absolutely devastating in every situation and the defense stat is cranked up to kind of obscene levels in a attempt to fix complaints about DEF not mattering in the post game of previous Disgaea titles.
- No more custom maps



Well this sounds interesting, do I need to know anything for the later games or can I dive on in?

Nope! Though honestly if you have any interest in the older games it's a great idea to start with them. The series improves a lot as it goes on and if you start at 4 and go back to 1 it WILL be hard due to how slow 1 is. Also; as the games progress more and more features are added while old ones are rarely taken away; so keep in mind if you start late some things you're used to may be totally different in older games. The most recent entry and "best" of the games for example would be the Vita version of 3. Ultimately though you'll miss a few running gags but other then that not much, just know that Laharl is usually a low end super boss that'll show up in every post game, always demanding to murder your character so he can become the main character of his series again, and that Asagi will never have her own game.

Asagi?


In early times before Disgaea 2 came out (and a few other spinoff games) a female character named Asagi was created, she was supposed to have her own game and it was eventually scrapped, though the guys at NIS decided they liked her to much to get rid of her entirely, and from Makai Kingdom (another NIS game) and forward she's appeared in every game searching for a quest to call her own, her state of mind slightly more damaged each game she shows up in to the point where she actually kills herself in one of the Prinny spinoff games, she's one of the more famous running gags of NIS and she totally demands your respect. After you beat any NIS game Disgaea 2 forward expect this character to show up lost, confused, or downright insane.


:siren:Disgaea 5 announced:siren:
No news other then it's Japanese logo but it's exclusive to the PS4

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ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

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Sonata Mused posted:

Everyone was saying that D3Vita is the best out there. I don't know much about it, but what makes it better than D4 mechanics-wise?

I should probably make a timeline; but it takes every good thing from 4 and adds it it 4's already much-better mechanics. Your generic units now have attacks specific to them (cleric only; warrior only etc) there's a absolute mountain of content; and the extreme post game doesn't make you hate yourself. It's the biggest and most indepth one out of all of em currently. And it's portable!

Disgaea D2 looks to be taking the crown though.

winvirus posted:

I've never played a Disgaea game and people were saying D3Vita was going free is it still pretty good despite "plot sucks" or should I just pass

Like what is it like? If I enjoyed P4G would I enjoy it or what



Here's a old screenshot of my Adell that I think sums up Disgaea pretty well.

It's a board game type deal where you and the computer take turns moving around and unleashing ridiculously over the top attacks at each other that only get stronger as the game goes on until it just gets silly. It uses different terrain and "geo panels" to create mazes or puzzles for you to solve as you take on more and more enemies.

The post games then quickly become damage races where enemies will have stats that; quite literally don't fit into their borders anymore (numbers will go over the character portraits hilariously) and it just keeps going until you fight the final post game boss who usually has cheating stats and gets stronger each time you fight him :v:

ThisIsACoolGuy fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Mar 9, 2013

ThisIsACoolGuy
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:

Getting a Vita for Christmas means I finally can play Disgaea 3! I'm not really concerned with the story, I mean, I go through entire playthroughs of Star Ocean 3 without viewing a single cutscene. Is the gameplay still good? I hear it's good. I want to run my Vita's battery into the ground.

It's viewed to be the best Disgaea to date outside of said story.


DrManiac posted:

Whatever you do don't play 4 before 3. It's really hard to go back to those lovely sprites.




Also you might want to hold off buying 3 since it's supposed to be free for PSN plus members next week.

I swear they slack on making new sprites and the like because they're so busy making so many system changes and adding new mechanics. Can't wait to see them run the Disgaea 4 sprites into the ground :allears:

winvirus posted:

Is there any continuity between games? Like, would it benefit me to play D1/D2 before diving into D3vita or

Yes; but it all revolves around Laharl's group and his cameo appearances and Flonne can be confusing if you don't play Raspberyl Mode in 3, but nothing too important.
Flonne spoilers to save you the effort: First game she's a angel, up through 3 she's a fallen angel, at the end of 3's bonus mode she goes back to Celestia and becomes a arc angel and... that's where we sit with her


kirbysuperstar posted:

Speaking of D3V, is there a quick way through the story levels? Early grinding spots, etc? I liked D3 and all, but I don't really want to spend too much time on the story stuff, I just wanna wreck face with Gig and Desco. I think I'm towards the end of chapter two, judging by my trophy list.

Not really until you get to the map "Corpse Eaters" near the end of the game (I think it's in chapter 7 or 8). After you beat it once normally if you try to replay it it loads up a level grinding map with enemies that stand up exp panels. Pass a few stronger enemy bills till' they're level 99; and when you kill them you'll get the same amount of exp as killing a level 300 monster and you'll rocket yourself up the ranks :v:

Just try to make sure you have Big Bang (a fist skill that covers 3x3) or something that can wipe out a mob of dudes.

Alternately: Spend any time in the item world. Not only will you unlock monsters you probably shouldn't have yet; but if you take the time to fight stuff you'll gain levels really fast as well as get some awesome gear. Disgaea 3 Vita doesn't punish game overs either; so if you wipe you just get sent to the hospital.

ThisIsACoolGuy fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Mar 9, 2013

ThisIsACoolGuy
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Head Hit Keyboard posted:

I bought Disgaea 2 (the PS2 classic, as I lack either a PSP or a Vita) on a whim with the $10 of PSN credit I got last month. What's the best way to go about playing this if I've never played a Disgaea game before?

Honestly just play it as the game introduces new mechanics to you.

A few suggestions to make life easier though; reincarnation is always a good idea. At around level 10 or so you'll unlock the next tier of warriors and the like, go turn your tier 1 units into them. You'll have to grind back up the levels but it'll be way worth it.

Create a mage/witch and have him/her learn a spell or two; then reincarnate them into a cleric. The clerics gain woefully small amounts of exp from healing, and don't learn any offensive abilities. Though if you have a mage reincarnate into one they'll be able to use the spells they learned from a previous class and will actually be able to multitask a bit.

Alternatively (and this will make more sense when you try it out and it only applies to Disgaea 2) any unit you have can create another unit. The unit they create will be considered a student. So using the same example; you have a cleric create a witch; if they stand side by side on the map the cleric can use any skill the witch she created can use... and if used enough the cleric will learn the skill for herself.

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Scalding Coffee posted:

I really want to play the later Disgaea games, but don't care for more consoles. D2 is a lot of fun and obsoletes D1 in maybe every single thing except pirates.
I suppose ZHP is off topic?

Nah go nuts. The last Disgaea thread kind of talked about Makai Kingdoms and all the other one offs so don't see a reason to change it. Seeing as ZHP's spiritual sequel is coming out soon as well will need some place to talk about it anyway :v:v

ThisIsACoolGuy
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Anatharon posted:

If I really liked Fire Emblem, FFT, etc, is there any reason to try Disgaea other then autism and more of the same?

I mean, I don't have 20 hours a week to play games or anything but I like SRPGs.

Yeah go on ahead. Disgaea's structured to cater to everyone really. The main plotline requires almost no real grinding and you don't have to min/max or anything; the post game bonus content (which is usually just as long as the main game) can be totally ignored.

ThisIsACoolGuy
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Scalding Coffee posted:

Any chance of a PC port of ZHP? It worked for Half-Minute Hero.

Probably not very likely. NIS has done a large handful of games, and all of em are Playstation exclusives outside of the DS port of the first Disgaea.

Also the guy who made it didn't like ZHP's theme and thinks that people didn't like the aesthetic of it. That's why The Guided Fate Paradox is so... different.

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

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Nope; sadly the vita/psp versions are exclusive to the sony handhelds.

Rookersh posted:

Here's my dumb question.

I like sRPGs. I think the Disgaea games are neat looking, and find the setting pretty different.

I loving loathe grinding though. If at any point my solution to move forward is "yo go back and redo stuff 20 times", I'll usually just put it down.

If I just want to see the main story stuff in each game, and avoid all the optional side things, would I be able to beat them with limited/no grinding? From a quick glance over the OP, it sounds as if the base game content is pretty simplistic, it's just the optional side bosses that are a real challenge.

Should I bother with these games?

Yeah grinding isn't that important for the main game.

If it helps levels stop mattering in post game though; it's actually possible to go from level 1 to level 9999 in a single fight if you set yourself up right. Hell in 4 you can level up 3 characters at once to that high. They usually have a ____ of ordeals in the postgame that after 3 tough maps you get access to one specifically made for you to walk right in; select a move, and clear it in a single action.

ThisIsACoolGuy
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Harlock posted:

If I wasn't clear, I was playing D3 on PS3. I don't own a Vita. I guess I will just skip along to D4. Is there a reason why they seemingly nerfed monsters from D2 to D3? I had some pretty badass Prinnies and other monsters in D2 that helped compliment the human classes. But like most SPRGs, stock characters suffer when you have special NPCs.

A fist weapon Ninja/Adell just steamrolled everything for me.

To be fair; Adell steamrolls everything. He's the DLC character in 3 and 4 that you can count on to break the game.

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Wrist Watch posted:

Which monsters are worth using, and which ones are so worthless that I shouldn't bother with them?

I restarted my DHD save after loving up a couple characters and accidentally saving when I was messing around with cheats, plus it's been a while now so I figured why not just start fresh. I remember nekomatas being decent but I never really bothered with Tink since the game wasn't really clear what the difference between him turning blue or red was and since I already had pretty powerful dudes I just ignored him.

I'm trying a prinny in my team right now but I'm thinking of giving him up, it feels like I'm feeding him enemies/levels at the expense of everyone else to have him dealing less than half the damage of other characters his level.

Prinny's are joke characters used only just for shits and giggles.

Succubus; Nekomata; Dragons; Bone Dragons; Baciels and a few obvious late game monsters are the best out the gate. Though being Disgaea you can turn a Prinny into a elder god if you really wanted v:v:v

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Scalding Coffee posted:

How is Taro in D2 towards the Baal-game?

In post games the only stat that really matters is offense. That said; in D2 Taro is just about the only unit that's defensive that can still be useful.

ThisIsACoolGuy
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Alteisen posted:

So I never got to far in Disgaea 2 so I gotta ask.

Was Adell Human? Game seemed to drop hints sometimes that he wasn't.

Spoilers on Adell
Nope. He was a demon; his parents that abandoned him were the two masked guys working for "zenon"

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King of Solomon posted:

She is from 4, yeah. Monster fusion is also new to 4. I guess she's also in 3 Vita as part of the extra content, but I'm not positive there.

Yup; main character in 4 and added content on 3's vita release

ThisIsACoolGuy
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I called it when the promo art came back then! Kinda!

Still somewhat surprised; I can't believe such a simple thing shocked me

ThisIsACoolGuy
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To be totally fair the main game is usually pretty well balanced.

In other news though;



Free DLC has already been announced starting with these two scamps

Also worth noting that it looks like either the Celestial hosts have a new sprite; or there's a new class entirely in that second screenshot

Edit: Oh dammit; for some reason megamariox's post wasn't showing up for me. Late as hell :negative:

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Pollyanna posted:

ZHP is getting a sequel? Any news on whether it's less grindy bullshit than the original? I tried to get into the postgame for it, but it was just wayyyyy too much of a slog. Will this one be better? What's it like, anyway?

And god dammit now I want to play DD2. PS3 why :negative:

It's a spiritual sequel, new art style and totally different stories/characters but looks to be more of the same gameplay wise; no idea on the postgame though. Here's a trailer.

ThisIsACoolGuy fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Mar 17, 2013

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Man the post game characters are really depressing to me.
Dark Death is a cool addition but half of it is just Disgaea 4 dudes. Adell is once again DLC it seems. Ugh

:negative:

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

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You can throw in any direction now without the guess work? Thank you so much NIS :allears:

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

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Yeah; I'm surprised NISA hasn't started preorders or given any kind of info out on if there's a special version or not. I got my deluxe of Disgaea 4 almost a full week before the actual release date so hoping it happens again :v:

RIP Tiny Fuka figure; my cat dragged you off to places unknown.

ThisIsACoolGuy
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The whole counter thing sounds neat; wonder what evilty nekomatas have now though. If those are still a thing anyway.

It's not like I'm gonna cast a spell across the map and the enemy unit is gonna dash across the field to punch me in the face or anything so using skills at a distance I would assume is safe.

ThisIsACoolGuy
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Without spoiling much; hows the actual plot so far?

Also thank god for the item/storage thing. So many restarts in the past because I forgot something stupid.

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Bloodly posted:

Hmm. I wonder if it means something that the swords used are of Baal's design? Yeah, yeah, it figures it's the small thing I'd notice.

Would be neat considering (Disgaea 1 spoilers) Baal is the reason Laharl's family is dead

ThisIsACoolGuy
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Kharmakazy posted:

Was that actually covered IN D1? I don't recall.

Yup. More spoilers.

When you defeat Baal you find out that King K didn't choke to death; he heard Baal was coming to destroy the netherworld and pretty much kill his family so he went and sacrificed himself to seal him away. While he was gone monsters attacked Laharl's mom and she gave her life up to save him which is considered a sin. It's why Laharl's hunting baal in all the post games; he's got a serious grudge against him

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Scalding Coffee posted:

So what is the reason for Mid-Boss?

I thought the mother's story was something else different and without Baal?

Mid-boss is a reincarnation of King K. or just a spirit of him; it's not totally clear. It's why at the end of the game he shows up; says he's proud of Laharl; and leaves with Laharl's ghost mom

ThisIsACoolGuy
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The dupe thing in Disgaea 4 works like this

There's little things in you items like mentioned; Staticians, Gladiators, etc. The more of them you have the better their effect is. Staticians only go up to 300 while others can be as huge as level 10,000

Thing is; you only get them at level 3, or 200 or so. This is insane. There's a feature where you can fuse two innocents of the same job (2 level 15 staticians = 1 lvl 30 one) to save space, so people would duplicate a item and mass level up the innocents they wanted (Gladiators to raise attack etc). It was effortless and made things way more streamlined and everyone loved it. You could get a godly strong sword; make it level 300, stack 8 lvl 10000+ staticians on it and dupe it for your post game army.

Now with the patch in place you have two options.
1: Clear 200 floors for a shot of getting what you want (it takes just as long as it sounds)
2: You can equip a item called the puppy paw stick which has a chance of "stealing" a item off a enemy if you kill them. The "right" method of duping now is to equip a character with a item you want to dupe and go into their world. Clones will show up with that exact equip and you have to kill them for a CHANCE for it to proc.

The problems with this?
1: Each map in character world collapses. You have to hurry and "dig" the clone up out of the map. There's literally no way to tell where one is; and if you're not fast enough it's lost forever.
2: Clones have about a 5% chance of showing up. More commonly you'll get ability orbs or things that are useless to you. It can literally take hours to get one to show up.
3: There's only a 10% chance that killing that clone will give you your item.

It's so absolutely insane that people are willing to delete everything as starting from scratch would genuinely be faster and it's why the post game is considered absolute hell.

ThisIsACoolGuy
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EpicNameBro has uploaded the first hour or so of the game

It's kinda sloppy as it's just him testing some stuff out but he shows a few neat things off. I didn't know the colored skulls were gone for example; now you just pick the mages specialty when it comes to elements. Also the weapon affinity boost is neat.

ThisIsACoolGuy
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It sounds like they're going "We know we hosed up the postgame of Disgaea 4. We're sorry okay?"

I'm 100% for this

ThisIsACoolGuy
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Kharmakazy posted:

are there not any switches or secret rooms in D3?

Nope. That was only Disgaea 1.

D2 from a video I've seen MAY have something like that; but no idea.

ThisIsACoolGuy
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Just came to post it. While yeah I'd be into a Asagi game; there's no way in hell they'd ruin one of their longest running jokes whether people like it or not.

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sentrygun posted:

Gig's last special makes him really good. Giant area attacks are pretty important, and it helps that characters who get them tend to be pretty solid. Priere was probably my most powerful unit in D3 despite being a monster just because of how solid her moves are.

Priere is always regarded as the "best" monster unit in any of the games she shows up in. I dislike using monsters unless I'm making a super gimmicky uber prinny but that's one thing in series you can count on.

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Kharmakazy posted:

Still though, my geared up thief at level 40 shouldn't be one shotted by a level 23 monster with no equipment. That just seems wrong.

That sounds wrong. Have you reincarnated her at all?

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Yeah D2-4 was a tier at a time.

Disgaea D2 goes back to how it used to be with Tier's just being a level lock. You can also just promote them instead of making them go back to level 1 (although the stat gains probably won't be as impressive)

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sentrygun posted:

Thankfully they're fixing that bullshit for DD2, but I'm pretty disappointed that it took them 4 installments and 3 portable remakes before they realized that getting game overs for silly poo poo was really dumb.

To be fair in 3vita if you died you just got kicked back out to the hospital and you kept whatever you had on you. I THINK 4 did that to but I don't remember ever getting a game over

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Unkown_PC has a Japanese copy but hasn't really posted much about it, and everything I know comes from other boards and watching EpicNameBro's "translated" playthrough (It's really relaxed).


D2 usually refers to Disgaea 2, and DD2 for Dimensions, outside nuts like me there probably won't be much to discuss in regards till the actual game comes out or there's some info on the western release... which I'm actually getting kinda impatient for at this point due to not even having a solid date or anything.

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kirbysuperstar posted:

Hm. Is there a dumbass guide to Reverse Pirating? You get that by beating a pirate group, right? I haven't come across any yet. And uh, where do you get the PPS, again?

Step 1: Get a decent ship, to do this get attacked by pirates and go "is this ship big enough to hold a few people and not a washtub?" if the answer is yes then you're good
Step 2: Pass the bill to make the club for reverse pirates, you can throw anyone into it
Step 3: Level up any item to 100 if possible. Anything works but deeper in the item you are the rarer the mobs show up (in my experience)
Step 4: Save and dive into the item by selecting reverse pirate. It'll show you all the innocents. Is a Statician there? No, Restart the game and try again.
Step 5: Form a tower full of characters that can survive at least a turn. Throw all the way to the innocents. Grab the statician and on the next turn chain throw him back to the ship
Step 6: Lame out the remaining turns, chain toss level up orbs/whatever

Enjoy your Statician, feel free to dupe the hell out of it

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

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So the DLC is being shown off for Disgaea D2 (Click)

Disgaea 2:
Adell + Rozalin

Disgaea 3:
Mao + Raspberyl + Salvatore (what the gently caress whyyy)

Makai Kingdoms:
Zetta + Pram + Alex (Finally)

La Pucelle:
Human Prier + Overlord Prier + Eclair

Phantom Brave:
Marona + Ash

The Witch and the 100 Calvary:
Metallica

Soul Nomad:
Gig

????:
I think one is NISA but the two around Gig I have no idea.

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Endorph posted:

Mr. Champloo is a pretty minor character, if a really awesome one.

And yeah, the D4 characters are already in the game. Sad to say but I don't anyone's chomping at the bit for Fenrich DLC.

Because all of the D4 cast is in the game already, Fuka and Desco are free DLC to complete the pack

Endorph posted:

The difference is Salvatore was ranked like number 15th back when they did a poll for Disgaea 4 DLC. She tied with Mao himself.

This is so baffling to me. I like her design, but she literally existed for a single joke and was just kind of a one note character around for 3 chapters. Why not Almaz who was a million times better and was actually important?

ThisIsACoolGuy fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Apr 26, 2013

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Endorph posted:

Almaz was pretty one-note too. "Oh, I wanna be a hero. Oh no, demon power."

He worked fine as a straight man for Mao's insanity but he wasn't especially entertaining. Really, the whole D3 cast has the 'one-note' problem. Characters in the other games have one gag that kinda dominates them, but Valvatorez has like, jokes and personality and traits beyond SARDINES. You could remove sardines and he'd still be a decent character.

Strange, I found Almaz to be the deepest (I use this term lightly) of the characters in that game and funny enough linked with more of the cast then Mao. Yeah he had the "oh no I'm a demon" thing but I liked his personality and the fact that he bounced off all of the other characters as well as he did. The fact he went from desperate to get his title back ASAP to coping with it and living up to be a "hero" is more development then anyone else in the game had. I always joked that he was the actual main character, and it kind of felt that way to me especially when the THE END image is of him.

Salvatore shows up, does her quirk of bossing people around to do stupid stuff then just kind of leaves till the very last level and chapter. Nothing is ever gleamed from her other then she tells people to do dumb stuff and she's somewhat strong.

Edit: Thinking about it now if they made Champloo not do that super obnoxious laugh I'd probably be alright with him to. He just annoyed the every loving poo poo out of me with it.

ThisIsACoolGuy fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Apr 27, 2013

ThisIsACoolGuy
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That's not all


Disgaea 4 Returns has been announced for the Vita! Not much information is on it but I have high hopes because if they fix the post game it'll be amazing :v:!

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ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

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Wanderer posted:

Hey goons, I'm working on the Disgaea D2 strategy guide for Prima. Happy to answer questions within limits about the English localization.

How's the English voice work?

Also is this error still around?




Also new DLC is Prier, Overlord Prier, and Eclair. Wish I could find videos on em, super curious to what they've done with the La Pucelle characters

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