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My main was a blademaster, and every time I'd finish a mission, I would come back to the Tower of Trial and see if I could succeed. I think I only did so when I got enough area of effect powers, particularly ones that stun enemies, and a charging leap power so I could take out the shamans on the first floor quickly. Quaffing the potions I'd been saving up sure didn't hurt. I found the first floor more challenging than the following floors.
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Last and least - who should I take where so as not to miss any personal quests?
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Xander77 posted:Last and least - who should I take where so as not to miss any personal quests? Don't worry about missing them. The game signposts the personal quests pretty heavily, and I'm pretty sure they're all available right until the end.
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Jul 22, 2014 23:15
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Xander77 posted:Also, is there a trick to stealing some items within view of a stationary NPC, or are they just there to taunt me? There's a locked room in the furniture makers house - most of the time opportunities to lockpick pay for themselves, but her husband just refuses to move around enough to let me steal their stuff. Can't you close doors in Avadon? I seem to recall shutting out an overzealously patrolling shopkeeper from his store that way, but it could have been another game. The best unintended steal mechanic was definitely in the early Geneforge games, where you can't steal directly with your Shaper but you can with your creations. The idea of a train of fyoras cleaning out a store from under the shopkeeper's nose makes me laugh. Second best was in Exile where you could push boxes of stuff across tiles. Petulantly kicking a crate of weapons out of a store to some discreet and unseen corner of the town so you could loot in peace was also funny, especially when you'd accidentally kick it into a river or something and lose it all.
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moot the hopple posted:Second best was in Exile where you could push boxes of stuff across tiles. Petulantly kicking a crate of weapons out of a store to some discreet and unseen corner of the town so you could loot in peace was also funny, especially when you'd accidentally kick it into a river or something and lose it all. Webs also obscured vision if there were multiple ones in the viewer's line of sight, so you could sometimes blanket the inside of a store in web spells and rob it that way. If you didn't have enough space to use webs, you could use fire/force barriers instead once you had access to those spells. Thuryl fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Jul 23, 2014 |
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Jul 23, 2014 02:09
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Xander77 posted:Last and least - who should I take where so as not to miss any personal quests? If you're going through Avadon 2, make sure to take a hard stance politically, more than anything else. Don't pussy-foot around the issue or some poo poo. Either go hard Redbeard loyalist, hard Avadon loyalist, or hard rebel. If you waffle about like I did with some 'maybe the truth is in the middle' bullshit you can't get access to any of the cool endings.
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occipitallobe posted:If you're going through Avadon 2, make sure to take a hard stance politically, more than anything else. Don't pussy-foot around the issue or some poo poo. Either go hard Redbeard loyalist, hard Avadon loyalist, or hard rebel. If you waffle about like I did with some 'maybe the truth is in the middle' bullshit you can't get access to any of the cool endings. Note that the Avadon games don't really have a game-wide reputation meter like Geneforge does and there are relatively few situations where supporting Avadon and supporting the rebellion are mutually exclusive, so for the most part you can actually keep all your options open by actively playing both sides and telling everyone what they want to hear. If you complete all sidequests, keep Heart Protus as happy with you as possible, side with the rebels during Commander Odil's mission, and express interest in joining the rebellion when you meet Dheless, you should be in a position to choose between the best possible version of all three endings once you get to the endgame. Thuryl fucked around with this message at 07:23 on Jul 23, 2014 |
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Jul 23, 2014 07:20
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Just finished Geneforge 5 yesterday and I really quite enjoyed it. I'd played through 1 and 2 with a caster Agent and never really much liked shaping but in 5 it was fun and effective. I'd love to see the mechanic come back in some form or another in a modern Spiderweb game. In terms of the series I would tend to put 5 squarely in the middle, above 3 and 4 but below 1 and 2. It does stand alone nicely although there are lots of references and recurring characters for those familiar with the prequels.
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Oh. I already taunted Protus with his papers and then handed them over to the custodes of the custodians. The game already hinted that during companion quests I should go with whatever anti-Avadon stance they are taking or lose their loyalty. In Monitor Base D, how do I open the gate to the big bad demon once Miranda escapes? He said he's waiting to battle me, but I can't seem to find a way to get there. Edit - Turns out that sentries can own stuff and prevent me from stealing it. Huh. Also, even though I've already explored a location (abandoned tinkershop) the relevant quest still forces me to trek back and forth just so I can "get stuck" properly, with the quest running. Hmm. Xander77 fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Jul 23, 2014 |
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Jul 23, 2014 16:12
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Xander77 posted:Also, even though I've already explored a location (abandoned tinkershop) the relevant quest still forces me to trek back and forth just so I can "get stuck" properly, with the quest running. Hmm.  (In fairness, that's actually pretty awful even by Spiderweb standards)
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Any cheats that give you infinite lockpicks? (Of all the things to limit in absolute number and never have the merchants inventory refresh...) If there's one improvement I wanted from part 1 (beyond the obvious "same button opens and closes shortcut menus) it's having a confirmation if you try to use a consumable outside battles. Because "a click on the item picks it, a click on the lower part of the item consumes it" is just asking for wasted potions etc. Xander77 fucked around with this message at 13:51 on Jul 24, 2014 |
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Jul 24, 2014 13:20
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Some rooms asked for unreasonable amounts of lockpicks, so I skipped them. As a result I never ran out of toolpicks, though I did have to make sure I had a character with me with the appropriate skill. Make sure to pick up the toolpicks lying around, such as in abandoned workshops and the like.
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Jul 24, 2014 20:16
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I never lockpicked if it cost more than 2 at a time, bought and picked up every lockpick that came my way - and still find myself terribly short. (There's a particular lock in the corruption that I'm curious about, which asks for a dumbfounding number of lockpicks). Where do I find the escaped Duke Griffin for the Raptors? I think I tracked through every square inch of Tywon trying to find him. Also, how do I get into the tunnels below the Avadon base in Tywon? Xander77 fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Jul 24, 2014 |
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Jul 24, 2014 21:46
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Xander77 posted:I never lockpicked if it cost more than 2 at a time, bought and picked up every lockpick that came my way - and still find myself terribly short. Two is too many. Any more than one is the game's way of telling you to raise your lockpicking skills. (I'd have more answers for your questions, but I'm still going through Avadon 1 at the moment.)
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Xander77 posted:Where do I find the escaped Duke Griffin for the Raptors? I think I tracked through every square inch of Tywon trying to find him. He's in the southwestern part of the Rockfall Canyon area. It's only possible to find him after getting information about him from Iania in Serdica. quote:Also, how do I get into the tunnels below the Avadon base in Tywon? Keep advancing the plot. You'll go there as part of the endgame quest line, and no sooner. Before that, it's possible to get a look into them via a secret passage on the north side, which suffices for the sidequest where you have to find out what's going on in there.
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Thuryl posted:
I reloaded a few times to get the different endings (becoming a traitor Keeper really should have been given an entirely different text, as the unaltered scraps really clash with what was changed) and became an Eye and Heart in the process - yet I don't have the relevant medals. (Edit - Oh, it's about difficulty modes. Duh.) What am I missing from the Nicodemus crafting items? (the necklace was crafted, it's just on a party member) http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=291292632 I only found six drake skins, and one was past the point of no return. So I guess there was no way to actually finish the quest. Ditto the arcane scrolls / pact papers quests? Xander77 fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Jul 25, 2014 |
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Jul 25, 2014 21:17
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Xander77 posted:I reloaded a few times to get the different endings (becoming a traitor Keeper really should have been given an entirely different text, as the unaltered scraps really clash with what was changed) and became an Eye and Heart in the process - yet I don't have the relevant medals. The Hand/Eye/Heart of Avadon medals are based on what difficulty you play through the game, normal/hard/torment.
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Cross posting from the iOS games thread: Avadon 2: The Corruption on sale for $5 (50% off) for the first time. Spiderweb Software titles rarely drop any further and sales are relatively rare, so now's as good a time as any. I'm playing through the first right now on iPad, and I much prefer it that way compared to desktop/laptop.
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Arrhythmia posted:The Hand/Eye/Heart of Avadon medals are based on what difficulty you play through the game, normal/hard/torment. Kenny Logins posted:
What are the chances of Avadon 3 completing the trilogy in the foreseeable future?
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Next is his remake of Avernum 2 and then it's Avadon 3. Gonna be a while.
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Xander77 posted:? For your second question, although the creator likes money, despite his cautions of slowing down in his old age, I'd say chances are good. He did make 6 Avernums and 5 Geneforges after all. Dug your SR Returns UGC reviews btw.
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Xander77 posted:What am I missing from the Nicodemus crafting items? (the necklace was crafted, it's just on a party member) Here's the full list of the materials needed for Nicodemus' items, what they make and where they are: -- oak pitch - Coated Oak Shield - The Trapped Lair -- sapphire powder - Chalice of Ice - Monitor Base D -- powdered demon horn - Chalice of Fire - Ogre's Thicket -- infernal larva - Amber-Encased Larva - Temple of Aetius -- dragon's fang - Dragonfang Baton - Stagnant Waters -- enchanted nugget - Infused Golden Braid - Konstina's Lair -- gold powder - Orb of Puresight - Temple of Valera -- meteor iron - Infused Meteor - Corruption Core quote:I only found six drake skins, and one was past the point of no return. So I guess there was no way to actually finish the quest. Ditto the arcane scrolls / pact papers quests? There are a total of eight drake skins in the game; getting some of them involves choosing to kill drakes that you could otherwise have dealt with peacefully. They're all listed (along with further details on where to find the crafting items for Nicodemus) on the Synergizer List, which is the most comprehensive list of items in Avadon 2. The Pact Papers and Arcane Scrolls quests never count as completed, no matter how many you turn in. After turning in around 10-12 of them per quest you stop getting rewarded with experience and items and just get cash, though. Thuryl fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Jul 26, 2014 |
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Xander77 posted:Got there in at the endgame, though I couldn't find the secret passage.
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Bring back obsessively bumping into every edge of the map to reveal hidden areas, Jeff.
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My Exile party members probably got more bruises from that than any of the monsters. 
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Kenny Logins posted:Firstly I just meant that the UX of playing Avadon on iOS is very nice. I bought Avernum and Avernum 6 (and Avadon 2) based on the strength of it. quote:Dug your SR Returns UGC reviews btw. Thuryl posted:There are a total of eight drake skins in the game; getting some of them involves choosing to kill drakes that you could otherwise have dealt with peacefully. They're all listed (along with further details on where to find the crafting items for Nicodemus) on the Synergizer List, which is the most comprehensive list of items in Avadon 2. ... I do wonder what the plot of Avadon 3 would be. Redbeard still being around and turning into an utterly paranoid monster, hiding somewhere in the Pact and trying to "show them all"?
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moot the hopple posted:Bring back obsessively bumping into every edge of the map to reveal hidden areas, Jeff. Kids these days are spoiled. In my day we spent hours trying to find the Chief spider in a giant nest of spiders who are all named Spider.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:Kids these days are spoiled. In my day we spent hours trying to find the Chief spider in a giant nest of spiders who are all named Spider. God damnit I had a flashback to being 7 years old and subjecting my friend to watching me do this. Now I want to find him and apologize.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:Kids these days are spoiled. In my day we spent hours trying to find the Chief spider in a giant nest of spiders who are all named Spider. Although you did need to figure out the chief's name in order to get the guard to let you through to see them. What a fiendish puzzle.
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Xander77 posted:I was more about "keyboard and mouse supremacy". Seriously though, I would occasionally misclick and consume a potion / move my character next to an enemy instead of attacking, so I can't imagine how much more frustrating a touchscreen would be. There is an issue where combat is about to fire up where your last tap can translate to your first action which is usually a waste especially if you have a melee weapon equipped. This is less of a touchscreen issue and more of a small design shortfall. I've avoided it since I stopped impatiently tapping so much on groups of enemies. The game isn't so difficult that the occasional missed action is a frustrating game-ender anyway. Overall considering Jeff's "retro" niche I was surprised he put together such an enjoyable iOS experience so early into his iOS development. As for your SR reviews it's primarily that you did them at all, at a level of detail beyond "X and Y are good, the rest are bad" which is too common. They're also fairly difficult things to evaluate/criticize coherently so impressions are probably the better way to go.
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I'm a bit eager for the Avernum 2 remake, as I felt 2 was the best Exile/Avernum. Playing that shareware version and desperately trying to find whatever food I could while surviving loving basilisks and imps and this one undead rear end in a top hat is still a pretty fond memory. I'm ALSO interested in how the heck he does the waterfall dens of 2 to bring back scrimping and saving and desperately not starving, unless the answer is to just ignore that (which I think was the solution in Avernum; pretend it wasn't there at all). Also if he's bringing back anything, bring back 6 party members 
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He won't bring back six, it'll be much more like Avernum 1 Remake. I'm waiting for him to remake Avernum 3 because it's basically all new assets.
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Exile 3 was my favorite so I'm really looking forward to the new Avernum 3, but my impression is it's going to be a very long time.
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Pretty sure it's going to be Avernum 2 remake, then Avadon 3, at minimum, before it's time for the remake of Avernum 3.
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Is there a particular reason the Spiderweb pack on steam includes Avernum 4-5-6 + escape from the pit, but not 1-2-3 (unless escape is one of those?) Also, which Spiderweb RPG's are recommended if I rather liked the writing in Avadon 1-2, but not the constant rubbish combat? ... One reason I hesitated before purchasing Avadon 2, was reading a post from the creator savaging a fan who dared suggest that all the combat with spiders, rats, bats etc in 1 was a bit pointless. Rats are the foundation of old school RPGs, you know. And Avadon 2 certainly shows it. Rats, giant rats, rabid rats, frenzied rats, diseased rats, scorching rats, summoned rats, guardian rats, freezing rats, plague rats, poison rats, lava rats, void rats, space rats, elite rats, laser rats, rats galore.
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Escape from the Pit is the remake of 1. 1-3 don't play very well with modern Windows.
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Zereth posted:It was the one on the dais or whatever that looked like an important location how hard was this? He also moves around significantly less than the other Spiders.
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Xander77 posted:Is there a particular reason the Spiderweb pack on steam includes Avernum 4-5-6 + escape from the pit, but not 1-2-3 (unless escape is one of those?) Zereth posted:Escape from the Pit is the remake of 1. 1-3 don't play very well with modern Windows. GOG.com sells all of the Avernum games, 1-6 and Blades of, for $10 if you want the whole set. How well they run I cannot say personally, but GOG has worked some pretty impressive miracles with getting old games to work so that they can be sold. Mind you, there are still some games in their library that don't go, so perhaps someone else can chime in.
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Xander77 posted:Also, which Spiderweb RPG's are recommended if I rather liked the writing in Avadon 1-2, but not the constant rubbish combat? Maybe the Geneforge series? You can get through most of those with relatively little combat if you focus on leadership and mechanics, although it's not a good idea to completely neglect your fighting skills.
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If you roll Agent in Geneforge 1 and 2 you can, once you get past the start, have incredibly powerful crowd control. Also, I like the world in Geneforge a lot better than in Avadon, personally. You may have some trouble getting those games I mentioned to run right without using poo poo to trick them into running in in a window or something, though.
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