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Clamps McGraw posted:Anyone have any idea why if you fail Perisher you're no longer allowed to serve on subs at all? I think it's down to the fact that you know you will never command a sub and it's to stop any resentment of that fact. Could be hard for a first officer constantly to be thinking "If only..."
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Clamps McGraw posted:Anyone have any idea why if you fail Perisher you're no longer allowed to serve on subs at all? Clean break. Like pulling off a 20 year bandaid. Or a ligament.
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Mar 13, 2013 04:32
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If it's a PCO level course, what job would be left to fill on a submarine for that rank other than captain anyway? Haven't the students already done an XO tour? E: I guess it's PXO. So if you fail you get cut from subs before your XO tour instead of after. That really doesn't sound as dramatic as it's made out to be. Snowdens Secret fucked around with this message at 04:41 on Mar 13, 2013 |
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Mar 13, 2013 04:38
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Snowdens Secret posted:If it's a PCO level course, what job would be left to fill on a submarine for that rank other than captain anyway? Haven't the students already done an XO tour? Probably a good thing; just makes sure that non-CO level people aren't making XO. Only issue is manning; if you loose an XO, you are scrambling/extending to maintain.
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Mar 13, 2013 06:09
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Holy poo poo, I have no idea how you do this. My wife would have my head on a pike if I even thought of going away for six months without so much as a phone call, let alone made a career of doing it. I tip my hat to you. While you may do some cool stuff, this is hands down the shittiest job in the military. I certainly couldn't do it. I imagine a lot of people manage to get through the training because they're smart enough but don't have the personality to do this kind of work. Do your JOs/junior enlisted tend to have high burn out rates? What do you do if someone starts getting loopy? Lock them up until you get home? And finally something that always makes me paranoid on cruise ships. Ever catch people doing it on boats through the periscope?
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Mar 17, 2013 04:30
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You don't stay at sea for 6 months at a time, so you could call home during a deployment when you pull into port. Also some wives actually fly out to meet the boat and keep their husband from loving other chicks. When I was in it was about 50/50 for first enlistment guys getting out. My friend and rackmate from boot who I went though boot/sub/a-school with did burn out about 1 year into his sea tour. He ~went sad~ and got an admin separation. If someone starts going nuts while at sea you tell them to suck it up or knock them upside the head till they fall in line. The only other option is to pull into port and get them off the boat which can be a very ~big deal~. Very few people get to actually see out the scope. But I'm sure it has happened.
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Mar 17, 2013 08:25
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ded posted:
this might be new fangled technology but the ood guy or w/e would always take pics and upload them to the share drive so you could check stuff out from the scope
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Mar 17, 2013 08:29
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genderstomper58 posted:this might be new fangled technology but the ood guy or w/e would always take pics and upload them to the share drive so you could check stuff out from the scope Yep. Best we had was a tiny 4" tv in control and could take b/w photos. Share drive. Kids these days.
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Mar 17, 2013 10:53
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Very rarely, the nav (non-nuc) ETs would get the opportunity to use the periscope to mark bearings while submerged. I could probably count on one hand how many times this happened submerged. One of the scopes had a video feed, with videotape capability. Usually this was piped to a tv on the conn, so the CO could act as a second set of eyes if coming to pd in high-traffic areas. During port ingress/egress, surfaced - the periscope was routinely used by nav folk to mark bearings every three minutes or so, to keep us off the rocks. Of course this was back when accurate gps was military-only. Now, they probably just slap a Garmin on the conn, and let the dulcet tones of the gps-lady guide you to safety....
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Mar 17, 2013 14:18
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JO retention rate is really, really low because a lot of JO's get poo poo on pretty hard during their sea tour, and since they are generally very smart and will have lucrative offers for civie jobs given their skills, most (~75%) get out. Even the ones who love submarining come to the conclusion that there are easier ways to make money.
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Mar 18, 2013 02:23
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Golli posted:During port ingress/egress, surfaced - the periscope was routinely used by nav folk to mark bearings every three minutes or so, to keep us off the rocks. After our nav div failed to keep us off the rocks, one of the things we did was buy a Garmin and bring it up into the sail. Since I was the only nuke up there, I operated it. It was a nautical GPS, not one of the road ones, so it didn't have GPS lady voice so instead you got shivering RC divver voice.
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Mar 18, 2013 03:42
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Signaleer posted:this is hands down the shittiest job in the military.
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Mar 18, 2013 04:07
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Snowdens Secret posted:After our nav div failed to keep us off the rocks, one of the things we did was buy a Garmin and bring it up into the sail. Since I was the only nuke up there, I operated it. It was a nautical GPS, not one of the road ones, so it didn't have GPS lady voice so instead you got shivering RC divver voice. Yep, I think that is pretty standard now; CO has his own TomTom so he can yell at the Nav when he recommends a terrible course.
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Mar 18, 2013 04:26
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Mad Dragon posted:I've known people who enlisted as submariners in the 60s to avoid the Army draft. I know guys who went green to Marine Corps to avoid being voluntold to submarines. Different times.
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Mar 18, 2013 04:28
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What you sub guys put up with is equally fascinating and awful. I'm sure glad you all are out there to do this job because gently caress that.
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Mar 19, 2013 06:30
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Sacrilage posted:JO Stuff I'm pretty sure I know you and have stood watch with you, but since you don't have PM I can't confirm by name. Hmm.... Half Pac with 698 with an FT3 they called "Tree". Common discussion on watch involved "20 Questions" and avoiding the ENG's glare.
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Mar 21, 2013 14:18
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Null Integer posted:Common discussion on watch involved "20 Questions" and avoiding the ENG's glare. as if this would narrow it down at all
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What is the general procedure when you guys come across a new sonar transient? Please don't answer if its OPSEC or whatever. I'm a bit of a sonar buff myself though I've been told in this thread that the sonars I use aren't much.  Is there a sonar officer? How many people work directly on sonar? Do you listen to the raw sonar in false color (I mean, translated the sonar sounds into sounds that humans can hear)? How old would a sonar officer be? What is the average age on a sub? A dream job for me would be to work on software relating to military sonars. I work on software for civilian (active) sonars. Have any of you seen sonar from sewers? I have. I have literal poo poo filters, in hardware AND software. Do you often use active sonar? I would think depth sounding and sea ice sounding would be useful.
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Mar 27, 2013 08:19
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Baloogan posted:What is the general procedure when you guys come across a new sonar transient? Please don't answer if its OPSEC or whatever. 
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Mar 27, 2013 09:46
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sorry I'm really bored
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Baloogan posted:What is the general procedure when you guys come across a new sonar transient? Please don't answer if its OPSEC or whatever. Sup gained new contact designated sierra one on tracker comp alpha one initial classification butt farts. (or many variations of) Yes there is a sonar officer. It's a JO position that an ltjg tends to get after they are done with the engine room quals/watches they have to do. Sonar is both listened to and displayed as "lines on a screen". The sonar officer would be around 23-27 depending on how long they spent in schools. It's really just a stepping stone position for JOs. I never saw anything from sewers but I was out of Hawaii so I did hear underwater volcanoes. Active is only used for training and to make sure the gear works. This excludes the fathometer which of course is always used but it's a bit different. I was a sonar tech 94-98. We had the AN/BQQ-5E sonar suite with the experimental (at the time) tb-29 towed array.
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To clarify, the "Sonar officer" is a JO in charge of the admin tasks of Sonar division. It is not, IIRC, a watchstation, he doesn't sit there listening to fish gently caress all day. Other than maybe getting to go in the sonar dome for inspections, there's not much especially tech-centric about the job, same as the other Div O positions. The Navy does tons and tons of sonar research but I think the bulk of the work is done by civilians one way or other. If you're interested I'd recommend looking into General Dynamics or whoever builds the specific sonar gear.
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Sonar officer was one of the JO billets that was sort of 'optional' depending on staffing. Since it is a coner division, it is given to either a newly reported ensign to kill time while working on Battery Charging Lineup Officer/EEOW quals until he can rotate into an Engineering division - or to a senior LT who has finished engineer officer qual and is coasting toward shoreduty/EAOS. In either case, no right-thinking JO would claim to be a sonar 'expert' unless they were a prior-enlisted STS. Different JOs may have a better understanding of the theory and equipment than others, but listening to fish is a very specialized skill. A lot of the time, the billet is open, with the Weapons Officer (Dept Head)signing all the paperwork that the Sonar Chief puts in front of him.
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Thanks so much for satisfying my curiosity. So the sonar division's leader is more of a admin type guy rather than an old sonar officer who was listening to whale porno back in the 1970s. Tom clancy lied to me 
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Baloogan posted:Thanks so much for satisfying my curiosity. So the sonar division's leader is more of a admin type guy rather than an old sonar officer who was listening to whale porno back in the 1970s. Tom clancy lied to me No he didn't. The sonar dude in The Hunt for Red October is a petty officer. IIRC there is no mention of a sonar officer except on the Soviet sub. e: also, it was extra-accurate because the sonar dude says he wants to get out of the navy and make megabux as a contractor.
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Baloogan posted:Thanks so much for satisfying my curiosity. So the sonar division's leader is more of a admin type guy rather than an old sonar officer who was listening to whale porno back in the 1970s. Tom clancy lied to me Sonar is a team of 5-8 guys on watch, not one guy with a computer that spits out what all the contacts are (down to the hull number hah!).
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Mar 28, 2013 00:43
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What kind of divisions/DIVO jobs are there on a sub? I'm familiar with an aviation squadron, but now I'm kind of curious how it's broken down on a sub. Do you have anything like a dedicated admin department?
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Wingnut Ninja posted:What kind of divisions/DIVO jobs are there on a sub? I'm familiar with an aviation squadron, but now I'm kind of curious how it's broken down on a sub. Do you have anything like a dedicated admin department? Admin is run by an enlisted guy, ours was an e-6. They work in the yeoman shack and there were 3 on my boat(its a super tiny room, like 1/3 of the COs stateroom lol) the 2 junior guys also stood watch, usually stuff like helmsman or planesman....of if you're a nub/stupid as hell then you "stand" messenger division officers are broke down like this: machinery, electrical, radiological controls, some reactor bullshit for ETs, auxiliaries officer(conventional MMs), and some coner stuff i don't remember but that is engineering divisions. i think i even got some of the nuke ones wrong haha up forward I only remember like weapons officer(department head), navigator(don't think this is a department head??), and i think some sort of fire control officer who was in charge of torpedomen and FCs. there are probably more though I just never spent time up there genderstomper58 fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Mar 28, 2013 |
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Wingnut Ninja posted:What kind of divisions/DIVO jobs are there on a sub? I'm familiar with an aviation squadron, but now I'm kind of curious how it's broken down on a sub. Do you have anything like a dedicated admin department? Yeah, it's three guys in an office the size of a somewhat luxurious outhouse. Engineering department: - Auxiliary division (not nukes) - Electrical division (nukes) - Machinery division (nukes) - Reactor Control division (nukes) - Reactor Laboratory division (nukes) Nav/Ops department: - LAN division - Navigation division (Strategic Navigation division on SSBN) - Radio division Weapons department: - Fire control division - Sonar division - Torpedo division - Strategic missile division (SSBN only) - Missile division (SSGN only) - Strike division (SSGN only) - SOF division (SSGN only) Supply department: - CSes - LSes Executive department: - YNs Medical department: - one dude with some Motrin All the Engineering divisions have a DIVO. Most forward divisions have a single DIVO for multiple divisions. (e.g. combined fire control/sonar/torpedo officer). There's a couple other DIVO jobs that aren't associated with specific divisions, like A-ops, A-eng, QAO. Sometimes these jobs end up getting combined with others too. We currently have one JO for all of Nav/Ops department, and he's the AENG and QAO on top of it. Cerekk fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Mar 28, 2013 |
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Haha holy poo poo that post is way better!!!
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Pretty much every division has its own junior officer. Exceptions, the cooks and the supply guys (they have a new name that forget, were SKs) both fall under the Supply Officer, also known as SuppO or Chop, who is technically a department head but is usually only an O-3. There is an admin department, usually two or three yeomen. I think they report direct to the XO, generally, and sort of to the COB. What I've generally seen is that brand new nub JOs get sent back to the nukes. The paperwork is unforgiving but nuke LPOs and chiefs are most likely to know what they're doing and can handle coddling a fresh ensign or JG for a little while. Plus as a nub JO your first watchstation and much of your study time is spent back aft anyway. Coner division officer billets go to the guys already qualified EOOW/EDO, who know (just) enough not to be snowed by a senior enlisted trying to skate past doing the admin / prep work that really needs to be done. A-gang (the forward mechanics) generally get a more junior one since it's still technically under Engineering, anything under Weapons is usually a pretty senior JO because those divisions tend to be filled up to the leadership level with knuckledragging fuckups. There are exceptions to these rules if there's a sudden onrush of nub JOs (sometimes right after a deployment or before you hit the yards.) So nukes you have mechanics, electricians, reactor controls, chem/radcon. These plus A-gang make up Engineering. Nav divisions are navigation (obv), radio, I think another I forget. Weps gets torpedomen, sonar, fire control. Supply and the yeomen I already mentioned. Boomers have missile techs and maybe something else, presumably under Weps. There are also collateral divisions (Deck div, divers etc) and they'll probably have a JO with a regular division that also handles them. E: goddammit E2: Oh yeah, I forgot the doc
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Deck & Divers was under the WEPS on my boat.
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ded posted:Deck & Divers was under the WEPS on my boat. The divers themselves can come from any division. One of our divers was a cook. Two (three?) were nukes.
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What division handles the radar? I'm guessing radar isn't used much at all but subs do have one, right?
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Mortabis posted:What division handles the radar? I'm guessing radar isn't used much at all but subs do have one, right?
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Mortabis posted:What division handles the radar? I'm guessing radar isn't used much at all but subs do have one, right? Navigation. Of course. (it's illegal for a ship that big to -not- have a radar)
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Cerekk posted:Navigation. Of course. (it's illegal for a ship that big to -not- have a radar) It's a boat, not a ship.  But it is still required to have an operational navigational radar according to the International Regulations to Avoid Collisions at Sea (COLREGS).
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Thank you for your well though out and informative contribution.
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With that tight space, what is the deal with BO and farts? I imagine dudes who reek are seriously loving hated and hazed. y/n?
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Mr. Nice! posted:It's a boat, not a ship. When surfaced you will in fact generally rig up a civilian radar set like you'd find in a moderately nice civilian motorboat. Radar is as much about being seen as it is seeing others and for self-explanatory reasons civilian ESM doesn't pick up military radar well. You'll also put up big radar reflectors, a light mast, etc. Surfaced subs would run around constantly blazing Roman candles if they could - even the big ones are hard to spot on the surface with eyes or radar and getting run over is no fun for anybody.
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