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http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/12/tec...ment/index.html http://money.cnn.com/2010/11/11/tec...ndex.htm?iid=EL http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/13/t...reach.html?_r=0 So, apparently, the Google Street View cars use your Wi-Fi to help with determining their location. In doing so they have "inadvertently" been collecting personal data, including passwords and emails, from unprotected networks. Another instance of Google asking for forgiveness instead of permission. quote:The company said it wants to delete the information, but regulators have not yet allowed it to, pending their investigations. Some good at least will come from this: quote:Google must create a video for YouTube explaining how people can easily encrypt their data on their wireless networks and run a daily online ad promoting it for two years. It must run educational ads in the biggest newspapers in the 38 participating states, which besides Connecticut also include New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, California, Ohio and Texas.
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People still have unsecured wifi?
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Running a YouTube ad just gives me nightmares of hearing LIZ! Meet Brad Johnson, social security number 443444443, likes furry porn and ate chimichangas last night. He got his data stolen from Google, here's how you can prevent it... And a decent chunk of people are going to Adblock that ad away anyway.
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HATE CURES TRANNYS posted:People still have unsecured wifi? A few of my friends share a house and have no password. I feel dirty just being there.
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HATE CURES TRANNYS posted:People still have unsecured wifi? My neighbors do. I also saw a ton of unsecured networks in my old dorm. Most of them were not connected to the internet, but you could still use them to gently caress with other people's computers.
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How exactly did it collect emails and passwords by checking wifi spots?
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You mean you've never had your friend go "Hey man can you grab my keys from my room? They're on my dresser" and then he walks in on you five minutes later and he catches you rifling through his dildo collection? "What? You said it was in your dresser, right?"
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When these cars go around cities, they basically only want the MAC addresses and signal strength to correlate with a geographic location. I'm guessing it's easier to have the data capture tool just dump everything that it observes onto a hard drive instead of actively filtering out the MAC addresses, then just pull them out later. It's a lazy solution made by some engineer who didn't consider the legal side of things v vBesides, I'm sure they've done these idiots a favor, because it's far from the worst thing that can happen to you if you have unsecured wifi. Especially considering how the MPAA, RIAA and friends view your IP address as incontrovertible proof that you and only you could have torrented Backdoor Bitches XXVI.
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HATE CURES TRANNYS posted:People still have unsecured wifi? I honestly can't believe people still have unsecured wifi and there are still tons of motherfuckers that broadcast their routers SSID for no reason. Then again in my experience the "average" user is too stupid to figure out that admin/admin are the username/password for their routers, although it's unlikely that they care because typing http://198.0.0.0 into a browser is too complicated and there are lots of scary options on the router!!!!
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HATE CURES TRANNYS posted:People still have unsecured wifi? Yup. Its rather interesting watching how many unsecured wifi connections pop up on the Nexus 7 when i'm out walking or going for a drive.
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I doubt the privacy scare was ever as big a deal as the media made it out to be when this story broke a few years back. It's not like Street View cars were sitting parked outside people's houses for hours on end, stealing all their banking records and horse porn. Anyone could drive round town with a laptop and essentially do what Google did. And I doubt that $7 million is going to be used to fund a nationwide "SECURE YOUR loving WI-FI" awareness campaign.
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This kind of thing isn't going to be an issue much longer. Modern wifi hubs come pre-locked. You'll always have some small segment of people who are smart enough to disable that kind of thing but not smart enough to understand the consequences, but it won't be possible to effortlessly snoop dozens of networks wherever you go.
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Doctor Chin posted:It's not like Street View cars were sitting parked outside people's houses for hours on end, stealing all their banking records and horse porn. Well someone sure is, otherwise how did you find out about my horse porn?
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Doctor Chin posted:It's not like Street View cars were sitting parked outside people's houses for hours on end, stealing all their banking records and horse porn. Except that's the exact type of information they were stealing. NYTimes posted:The Street View case arose out of Google’s deployment of special vehicles to photograph the houses and offices lining the world’s avenues and boulevards and lanes. For several years, the company also secretly collected personal information — e-mail, medical and financial records, passwords — as it cruised by. It was data-scooping from millions of unencrypted wireless networks.
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That 70s Shirt posted:Except that's the exact type of information they were stealing. Yeah, but he's right in that they are claiming that isn't what they were attempting to do, they just wrote a greedy program to sniff MAC addresses and wound up dumping bunches of traffic. The scary part to me is not that it is in google's hands (because they could get that poo poo if they wanted it anyway), its that a car driving by was able to grab it. Secure your goddamn wireless. I ran an unsecured wifi for guests for a while, but when people weren't over it had the dns servers set to goatdns.
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Red_Mage posted:goatdns Is this what I think it is? Genius! 
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I'm with google on this one, anyone who thinks wardriving is a crime is a goddamn fascist.
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Captain Amerikkka posted:I honestly can't believe people still have unsecured wifi and there are still tons of motherfuckers that broadcast their routers SSID for no reason. Then again in my experience the "average" user is too stupid to figure out that admin/admin are the username/password for their routers, although it's unlikely that they care because typing http://198.0.0.0 into a browser is too complicated and there are lots of scary options on the router!!!! Actually, turning off ssid broadcast can actually leak more information, since your laptop will constantly be broadcasting " hello router where are you" every few seconds, and the ssid is broadcast in plaintext anyway when your laptop is communicating with the router.
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Nathilus posted:This kind of thing isn't going to be an issue much longer. Modern wifi hubs come pre-locked. You'll always have some small segment of people who are smart enough to disable that kind of thing but not smart enough to understand the consequences, but it won't be possible to effortlessly snoop dozens of networks wherever you go. Not quite effortless but: http://touch.whatsmyip.org/fioswepcalc/
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Necc0 posted:Not quite effortless but: http://touch.whatsmyip.org/fioswepcalc/ Yeah, but credit where credit is due, it does stop a completely casual driveby from pulling something important. Also if you have windows 7 and a half decent router made after its release, it can autodetect the router when you connect to it the first time, and do the setup right from a friendly windows dialog, no typing in funny numbers and dots required! The downside to wireless security becoming more and more prevalent is that it is becoming a real pain in the rear end to find someone's connection to leech off of when travelling.
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Unsecured wifi is amazing for house shopping because you can drive through neighborhoods looking at houses and then look up the details on the neighbor's wifi.
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Just tryin to buy a house. Too bad I'm too poor to afford some sort of mobile Internet solution... If only there were some unsecured wifis to use!
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uG posted:Just tryin to buy a house. Too bad I'm too poor to afford some sort of mobile Internet solution... If only there were some unsecured wifis to use! *knock knock* "Hello?" "Hi! Im Bill, your neighbor on the left, and I was wondering if you could remove the password protection you just added to your router. You see, I was in the middle of playing WoW and downloading a metric ton of copyrighted porn, and now I suddenly can't connect to the internet because you passworded your router." "...get the gently caress out."
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uG posted:Just tryin to buy a house. Too bad I'm too poor to afford some sort of mobile Internet solution... If only there were some unsecured wifis to use! Maybe he's posting from 2005 before smartphones existed.
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uG posted:Just tryin to buy a house. Too bad I'm too poor to afford some sort of mobile Internet solution... If only there were some unsecured wifis to use! On-topic, I really think "medical records, financial information" must be an exaggeration or at least extremely rare - who sends their medical records and financial information in plain-text? And of those few people, is it really likely that one of them was doing it at the exact moment a Google car was nearby? Even if your router is unencrypted, your banking / tax / medical / gmail / paypal communications are all encrypted whether you like it or not, as are almost every online credit card transaction an average Joe would be likely to make. You have to be shopping somewhere super-seedy to be sending credit cards unencrypted. Passwords, sure, are often transmitted unencrypted for junk things like online games, so maybe if you use the same password for everything then someone could scoop your email address, your password for something, and then combine those to gain access to financial things, but having the ability to get at financial things and having actually taken financial things are pretty different things. If the ability alone was criminal then we're all criminals for letting people have unencrypted wifi, because we could all drive by and steal their poo poo. roomforthetuna fucked around with this message at Mar 15, 2013 around 03:09 |
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roomforthetuna posted:That's how you get rich enough to afford a house, is by consistently not paying for things like crazy monthly charges for a smartphone. (Or by having an extravagant income, either way works.) You're adorable
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HATE CURES TRANNYS posted:People still have unsecured wifi? I moved in with a girl I was dating and the first thing I did was secure her network. Maybe 2 hours later there was a knock on the door and a neighbor was asking if our internet was also out. On my current block there are 3 unsecured networks right this minute.
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No unsecured networks around me. Lots of "STAY THE gently caress OUT" type networks though. What the gently caress does someone's password have to do with determining their location?
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Machai posted:*knock knock* From Drew Toothpaste:
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HATE CURES TRANNYS posted:People still have unsecured wifi? A good third of the secure connections (where I am anyway) are encrypted with lovely WEP, which can be cracked pretty easily. Probably because it's the first checkbox or something.
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I'm going to sue the aliens that eventually receive an amazingly attenuated packet of my unencrypted and broadcast in the clear data in Alpha Centauri. I'll claim that packet has passwords and poo poo in in or something. I'll be space rich.
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Moridin920 posted:A good third of the secure connections (where I am anyway) are encrypted with lovely WEP, which can be cracked pretty easily. Probably because it's the first checkbox or something. More than that, it likely has some easy-as-poo poo password, like 1234567890, or aaaaaaaaa And more to the point, maybe the unencrypted network is someone operating a private honeypot network. Nothing like your neighbor thinking, "Skimming wifi, I'm so clever  " while all his personal info is being MITM'd.
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Place I used to work there were multiple offices in the block we were in and for the forst 3 months before our boss sorted out the internet i was picking between the 4 unsecured connections I could get in my lab. Not only were they unsecured, one of them had a public folder into which they had dropped a load of payroll info, expenses forms and other poo poo. I left a text file titled 'secure your goddamn internet' in it when I no longer required their services.
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Mistle posted:And more to the point, maybe the unencrypted network is someone operating a private honeypot network. Nothing like your neighbor thinking, "Skimming wifi, I'm so clever My roommate did this for a while, mostly just to recite people's facebook passwords to them and have them get uncomfortable. Its trivially easy, and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if there are a few people who live above stores doing this.
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Google have been doing this for years, story from 2010: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technolog...jectid=10694276 quote:Google says that this data gathering was inadvertent, and that it was usual for cars filming for its controversial Street View service generally collected other types of data from the networks to improve the service. 'inadvertent' 
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Red_Mage posted:My roommate did this for a while, mostly just to recite people's facebook passwords to them and have them get uncomfortable. Its trivially easy, and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if there are a few people who live above stores doing this. "ilikehamsters26," I said smugly. My large neighbor squirmed, unsure of herself. Clearly my knowledge of her facebook password rattled her. I smirked as I stroked my neckbeard, blocking her way up the stairwell. We both awkwardly stood there for a few moments. I cut her off as she began to speak. "Maybe... you shouldn't be using unprotected wireless routers, hmm?" I donned my fedora and flipped my cape over my shoulder. I didn't have time for this. My Rascal was waiting to transport me to the comic book store.
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roomforthetuna posted:Passwords, sure, are often transmitted unencrypted for junk things like online games, so maybe if you use the same password for everything then someone could scoop your email address, your password for something, and then combine those to gain access to financial things, but having the ability to get at financial things and having actually taken financial things are pretty different things. If the ability alone was criminal then we're all criminals for letting people have unencrypted wifi, because we could all drive by and steal their poo poo. Im sorry, but what did you just call online games?
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Captain Amerikkka posted:"ilikehamsters26," I said smugly. This is eerily accurate. He was a skinny nerd though, and was less a cape dude and more a internet catchphrase shirts dude. One thing that no one seems to have details on was what exactly google was doing to grab data. I'd assumed they were just basically going around with something like wireshark running, dumping anything flying around at the moment, so they could get wifi strengths and ranges (which is what they use to fake GPS in their apps). The articles though seem to be making it seem like something more, is there a tech breakdown on this anywhere?
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roomforthetuna posted:That's how you get rich enough to afford a house, is by consistently not paying for things like crazy monthly charges for a smartphone. (Or by having an extravagant income, either way works.) I imagine if I tipped you over a turd of infinite length would spool out of your mouth and form lazy coils on the floor.
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I don't fully understand how it is a privacy violation when this is information households are broadcasting. Shouldn't the responsibility be on them as owners of the routers/data to protect it and keep it out of the hands of the public?
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