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Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer

The Steak Justice posted:

Why is it Ray Liotta's honey.
Why is it Ray Liotta's honey?
What does Ray Liotta have to do with anything?

I guess that is a mystery to be revealed.

That's actually the best thing so far- it's totally random reference humor, but there's a certain inspired randomness to it. Like, the art director gets told "Okay, he sees a jar of honey- it can't be an actual brand, though", and that person sketches out a few mock logos and thinks "Wait a minute- RAY LIOTTA BRAND HONEY!"

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Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
The one thing I think Bee Movie will be remembered for is just how insanely heavily it was hyped, well out of proportion to the extent anyone could have cared about it. Jerry Seinfeld was EVERYWHERE promoting this thing, there were special promotions for NBC called "Bee Movie TV Juniors" just to make it confusing, that led directly into the "Seinfeldvision" episode of 30 Rock (which is interesting at least in its acute foreshadowing of how far NBC would continue to fall), and of course after the movie had come out and made some not really memorable amount of money (I think it was successful? But nobody cared), for some reason that drat bee shows up at the Oscars.

It was just weird.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer

Pick posted:

Happy Feet ain't a good movie either, but at least you remembered what happened in it.

As I said at the beginning, the bee sperging is just for fun. The bigger problem is that the jokes don't land, in part because they can't decide what the situation is. You have to try to back-form the way things function on the assumption that the joke made sense.

This is sort of a key thing- you have to at least decide on the internal logic of an absurd situation even if you never explain it. Whenever the Firesign Theater did an album they'd work out the reality of whatever absurd setting they were creating so it would be at least internally consistent.

I mean, you can abandon this if you're really consistently FUNNY- like the Marx Bros. could just make an entire movie about things happening so long as their routines were amazing- but Bee Movie seems to want to have a story.

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