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Say Nothing
Mar 5, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
Dimaria's power is causing wardrobe malfunctions?

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Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012
The way every drat female villain in this manga implies that she wants to sexually assault a female hero is really tired at this point.

Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Feb 2, 2016

Thunderbro
Sep 1, 2008

Silver2195 posted:

The way every drat female villain in this manga implies that she wants to sexually assault a female hero is really tired at this point.

i'm sorry this is the Tits and Butts Manga thread not Well Written Series for Adults

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

Silver2195 posted:

The way every drat female villain in this manga implies that she wants to sexually assault a female hero is really tired at this point.

Hey now!

Sometimes it's the female heroes doing it, too.

Alpha Kenny Juan
Apr 11, 2007

chumbler posted:

Hey now!

Sometimes it's the female heroes doing it, too.

This fairness is why this manga is a step ahead of the rest. Mashima doing things right.

Kyte
Nov 19, 2013

Never quacked for this
Mashima is the epitome of equal opportunity. :v:

ZepiaEltnamOberon
Oct 25, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022

Kyte posted:

Mashima is the epitome of equal opportunity. :v:

Maybe he should cut down on his flagrant 'opportunities.'

TriffTshngo
Mar 28, 2010

Don't get it twisted who your enemies are.

ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:

Maybe he should cut down on his flagrant 'opportunities.'

gently caress that. More tits and abs. Mashima has only begun to explore the limits of his fanservice potential and I want to see him hit the limit and blast past it.

ZepiaEltnamOberon
Oct 25, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022

TriffTshngo posted:

gently caress that. More tits and abs. Mashima has only begun to explore the limits of his fanservice potential and I want to see him hit the limit and blast past it.

I thought artists were supposed to start out doing cartoon porn before going legit, not the other way around.

Then again....

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

TriffTshngo posted:

gently caress that. More tits and abs. Mashima has only begun to explore the limits of his fanservice potential and I want to see him hit the limit and blast past it.

Still not even threatening History's Strongest Disciple's baseline.

sharktamer
Oct 30, 2011

Shark tamer ridiculous

ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:

I have hope that FT can kill someone off. Even Naruto managed to kill of Neji and a bunch of adults!

Gonna sound like a broken record, but it's only cos this criticism keeps coming up over and over. Why would killing off characters help the story or even matter? Neji dying had gently caress all effect on the story, would things have been any better or worse if he had survived?

e: The ending of Naruto couldn't possibly have been worse so I guess better!

Fabricated
Apr 9, 2007

Living the Dream

sharktamer posted:

Gonna sound like a broken record, but it's only cos this criticism keeps coming up over and over. Why would killing off characters help the story or even matter? Neji dying had gently caress all effect on the story, would things have been any better or worse if he had survived?

e: The ending of Naruto couldn't possibly have been worse so I guess better!
Well the point is that there's not really a lot of tension when you know no one anybody gives a poo poo about can die.

Like there's a point you pass after so long where it DOES become kinda pointless to kill someone unless you make a special effort to do it right- but there's an element of added dramatic tension if you can convince the reader that their favorite characters are NOT off limits to the grim reaper.

Conversely if you just off people left and right non-stop readers stop trying to become invested in characters they think will die.

Basically almost no one gets it right.

sharktamer
Oct 30, 2011

Shark tamer ridiculous
lol if anyone actually expects dramatic tension and character/worldbuilding from fairy tail. No one will ever die and in my opinion, no one should. Fairy tail is a tits and muscles dum manga where the heroes always win and everyone lives happily ever after.

Fabricated
Apr 9, 2007

Living the Dream

sharktamer posted:

lol if anyone actually expects dramatic tension and character/worldbuilding from fairy tail. No one will ever die and in my opinion, no one should. Fairy tail is a tits and muscles dum manga where the heroes always win and everyone lives happily ever after.
Well, technically a lot of really hosed up and sad stuff happened in Fairy Tail- just like 99% of it didn't happen in the "current" time.

Lucy's dad lost everything, worked himself nearly to death to get some semblance of it back, then died presumably under the impression that his only daughter had died.

Erza literally spent her childhood as a slave.

Mavis watched everyone around her die as a child, almost reconciled with the one other girl her age who then also died, then she lived alone with an illusion of her until she realized she was dead, then she got cursed and killed Makarov's mom and accidentally killed a bunch of other people to the point she was literally begging for death. Then she died.

sharktamer
Oct 30, 2011

Shark tamer ridiculous
oh yeah of course fairy tail is dark and hosed up I didn't realise thanks

Fabricated
Apr 9, 2007

Living the Dream

sharktamer posted:

oh yeah of course fairy tail is dark and hosed up I didn't realise thanks
You're welcome! :)

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




No one ever remembers Simon. :smith:

Alpha Kenny Juan
Apr 11, 2007

EvilTaytoMan posted:

No one ever remembers Simon. :smith:

Who? :confused:

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Erza's friend with the headwrap I think.

Eighties ZomCom
Sep 10, 2008




Yeah, and one of the few people to actually die in this manga.

TriffTshngo
Mar 28, 2010

Don't get it twisted who your enemies are.
Kagura's brother, also.

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

Fabricated posted:


Lucy's dad lost everything, worked himself nearly to death to get some semblance of it back, then died presumably under the impression that his only daughter had died.

Worse, he never believed her dead and sent a present to her house every year on her birthday. Then he died like a month or so before she got back.

ZepiaEltnamOberon
Oct 25, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022

sharktamer posted:

Gonna sound like a broken record, but it's only cos this criticism keeps coming up over and over. Why would killing off characters help the story or even matter? Neji dying had gently caress all effect on the story, would things have been any better or worse if he had survived?

e: The ending of Naruto couldn't possibly have been worse so I guess better!

Because while I do not actually want to see characters I like die, it tends to feel like a waste of pages when the author keeps throwing in these super powerful opponents and death flags only for the good guys to just FRIENDSHIP their way through everything. Like I know that's pretty much what Fairy Tail is but there's hardly any tension in the series at all because you know that Nasu is gonna punch Zeref in the end and nearly die but then not die because dragons or something. Everyone's gonna struggle against this so-called powerful bad guys who won't achieve jack poo poo because of their supposed power.

I'm just not fond of these mass-scale wars in shounen because in the end the scale is just an illusion - it all ends the same way.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:

Because while I do not actually want to see characters I like die, it tends to feel like a waste of pages when the author keeps throwing in these super powerful opponents and death flags only for the good guys to just FRIENDSHIP their way through everything. Like I know that's pretty much what Fairy Tail is but there's hardly any tension in the series at all because you know that Nasu is gonna punch Zeref in the end and nearly die but then not die because dragons or something. Everyone's gonna struggle against this so-called powerful bad guys who won't achieve jack poo poo because of their supposed power.

I'm just not fond of these mass-scale wars in shounen because in the end the scale is just an illusion - it all ends the same way.

The mass-scale war in One Piece breaks the mold, at least.

ZepiaEltnamOberon
Oct 25, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022

Silver2195 posted:

The mass-scale war in One Piece breaks the mold, at least.

Good large-scale battles.

One Piece.
Ushio to Tora
Karakuri Circus

Bad large-scale battles.

Naruto.
Fairy Tail.

No large-scale battles.

Bleach.

Spiderdrake
May 12, 2001



Technically Bleach is in a mass battle atm, but I think it's actually an experiment to human psychology to be later titled "Waiting for Kenpachi: The Kubo Tite story"

Silver2195 posted:

The mass-scale war in One Piece breaks the mold, at least.
That was my least favorite arc of OP by a huge margin. Excruciatingly boring for most of it, the "mass battle" was largely meandering nonsense. OP's cast bloat at its worst, exact same problem Bleach and FT has.

It's a good example though because the two major deaths both hit you, had emotional weight both ways and built the story forward, both on a personal level and to drive the larger plot.

The mass battle here won't change anything and won't have any tension and then some tits. Probably Mavis will die then come back as an adult. Natsu will punch Zeref's face off and then punch Acnologia with the Zeref face fist and then they'll explode while Makarov is made guild master again.

Fabricated
Apr 9, 2007

Living the Dream
Poor Makarov, he just wants to retire but he can't escape the neverending hell of being the guild master of a bunch of destructive retards.

Suspicious Lump
Mar 11, 2004

Fabricated posted:

Poor Makarov, he just wants to retire but he can't escape the neverending hell of being the guild master of a bunch of destructive retards.
haha this is unbelievably true. The curse of Fairy Tail is everyone that joins turns into a lunatic of some form.

jiffypop45
Dec 30, 2011

The problem with killing people is that eventually you start running out of them to kill.

Akame ga Kill the manga started with 5 of the original team and is now down to two. Not counting the Johnny come lately initial protagonist.

One Piece probably did it the best in terms of people dying.

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



one piece still goes around character deaths too, and there's stuff like pell, but for the most part yea it's pretty good about this. it definitely treated the actual deaths as important (well except those guards in alabasta that worf against crocodile by him jumping on a wall where they can't reach) and very clearly permanent; I doubt whitebeard is gonna dragon ball out of the grave. fairy tale is basically applying that thing with pell to every death so none of it matters

Simoom
Nov 30, 2009
is the ever a moment where one of the main, non humiliation heroes are seriously challenged by an enemy without it being due to a timely handicap?

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

Simoom posted:

is the ever a moment where one of the main, non humiliation heroes are seriously challenged by an enemy without it being due to a timely handicap?

An owl man ate one of them once.

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

Simoom posted:

is the ever a moment where one of the main, non humiliation heroes are seriously challenged by an enemy without it being due to a timely handicap?

That one time Natsu fought the guy who could control fire and kept making him eat the flames of a dirty mop?

Spiderdrake
May 12, 2001



http://readms.com/r/fairy_tail/473/3232/1

This didn't go the way I was thinking it was. I have a total soft spot for Laxus though.

TheKingofSprings
Oct 9, 2012
Honestly if bullshit magical cancer has to get cured, tricking a guy into curing it is a pretty good way to go about it.

ChronoReverse
Oct 1, 2009
I honestly enjoy the neat ideas for plot elements that get introduced and then promptly removed one or two chapters later. It's one of the unique things about Fairy Tail.

Spiderdrake
May 12, 2001



I actually appreciate the fact that the usual generic mysterious genius ninja disease was just cured and done away with instead of page after page "cough cough...NO KARADA...!!!" or whatever the proper spelling is

Maybe it'll be back but I think Fairy Tail just gonna crush all these dorks then friendship dunk Acnologia Galvatron style.

Cipher Pol 9
Oct 9, 2006


TheKingofSprings posted:

Honestly if bullshit magical cancer has to get cured, tricking a guy into curing it is a pretty good way to go about it.

Yeah, it's a total asspull but it was better than shrinking it and it made me happy. Laxus rules.

Indiana_Krom
Jun 18, 2007
Net Slacker
I was expecting something like Laxus finally metabolizes the dumb magic barrier particles and then proceeds to roast the other guy with anti-magic lighting bolts. Conning the enemy into curing your magic plot cancer is actually a more creative solution.

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Thunderbro
Sep 1, 2008
Chapter whatever: wherein Laxus takes his edgelord schtick to the next level.

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