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So I'm going to be introducing a friend of mine to Evangelion. I think he'll enjoy the series, but I'm not sure whether to show him the final two episodes first or go straight to End of Evangelion. EoE definitely answers more questions and ties up the loose ends better, but then he doesn't get CONGRATULATIONS. I'll wind up showing him both eventually, but which do you guys think would be better for first time viewing of the story?
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I guess my concern with the original ending is that EoE wraps up the story in a much more cohesive manner. I'll absolutely be showing both, but I guess I'm mostly concerned about which tells the overall story better? And I feel a bit like that might be EoE.
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Nov 25, 2014 17:34
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I'm showing a friend Eva soon - she has almost no knowledge of the series aside from it having giant robots and having a lot of psychological undertones. Do I serve her tang when we watch EoE?
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Mar 15, 2015 07:32
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Evangelion On Ice: A Musical
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Sep 10, 2015 15:55
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Slime posted:loving kaiju movies slowing down the release of my kaiju animes. There will be three more sequels to the new Godzilla, and in the last one it'll be revealed that the kaiju are angels and we need the Evas to come out of retirement. This entire quadrilogy of Godzilla movies will be 4.0
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Sep 30, 2016 15:29
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ImpAtom posted:One of the most impressive bits of art in Evangelion I think is how Gendo Ikari looks a shitton like Shinji but his beard and general design is just different enough that it only becomes clear at very specific times. It’s really impressive, and really sells that they’re father and son. I also really love this scene in general:  It gives a nice relaxing break for shinji, but also reminds us that holy poo poo these are just children. It’s just a nice little innocent moment that really helps the rest of the scenes pack more of a punch.
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Nov 1, 2016 16:38
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Yeah, the lighthearted section is pretty crucial, even if it’s not my favorite. It’s pretty stereotypical of anime in a lot of places (like Asuka talking about her boobs) but it’s intentionally that way so it can lull the viewers into the same false sense of security that shinji gets in. You get in a more lighthearted mood from the tones set, hear the opening music and think “gently caress yeah time to go wreck some angels” and get all comfy in how everything is working out! Then… 
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Nov 1, 2016 16:52
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https://www.theyetee.com/ Has an Eva shirt for today. Congratulations!
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Nov 15, 2016 18:47
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I’m fine with the dub and honestly never noticed the weird sound effects until they were pointed out to me, and even then I just shrug it off and watch the one that’s better for being lazy and not reading subtitles the whole time. For the most part the voice acting is well done and gives the emotions well so that’s good enough for me.
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Feb 16, 2018 20:32
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I know about the sound effects and even when explicitly looking for them I still can never notice where they are, so ymmv.
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Mar 14, 2018 05:51
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Ehh I’m not sure. The problem with another story about Shinji dealing with his personal problems / parents is that we’ve already got that story. Why tell it again? I do like the slight aspects the Rebuilds have of Shinji going TOO overboard when he gets in the robot and prematurely causes third impact. I think that could be an interesting story to examine - yeah, it’s good to not be so guarded and to believe in yourself more, but too much of it can be bad. The rebuilds haven’t leaned super heavily into this yet, but I think they could really make it A Thing in 4.44 if they wanted to.
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Apr 12, 2018 19:25
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Raxivace posted:I don't really understand how you think Rebuild hasn't leaned heavily into this. Its like the big point of the end of 2.22, and 3.33 is Shinji making the same mistake again. Tbh It’s been so long since I watched rebuild 3 that I forgot it was so heavy in it, I mostly just remember it being the end of 2, and then 3 passively as the aftermath of 2. I really need to rewatch them.
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Apr 12, 2018 19:55
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Let's assume 4.0 never happens. Anno gets hit by a bus tomorrow and then the studio goes bankrupt. How would you guys rate the rebuilds overall, as a trilogy? There's lots of talk about "I'm waiting to see how it ends" but what if we just treat 3.0 as the end?
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Apr 16, 2018 06:12
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Finally got around to watching Shin Godzilla. It was good.
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Jun 19, 2018 01:16
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In Training posted:heres a link that probably wont get pulled since its not on youtube https://streamable.com/g44lq I’m glad Platinum Games is finally making movies
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Jul 20, 2018 16:54
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the escape goat posted:Introduced a friend to Eva last night. His biggest takeaway was "how the gently caress are you not freaking out right now because there is a penguin with a bath towel just chilling in this drunk girl's apartment" Off topic, but the closest show to Bojack that I can think of is Moral Orel. The first couple episodes are a bit rough and overly cartoony but it quickly gets into the same mindset of Bojack - realistic and broken people with lovely pasts trying and failing to do good.
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Oct 2, 2018 19:08
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Zeruel posted:English dub ruled Honestly it's my favorite out of the monster-of-the-week episodes, except for Ramiel. I love the unconventional setup.
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Nov 28, 2018 04:09
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I’ve never seen any of the subs for any piece of eva media and i have no intention of ever doing so
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Dec 5, 2018 22:30
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I just watch the scene where Eva unit 1 holds Kaworu, stretched out to last the entire length of the TV series + EoE + the rebuilds + death/rebirth E: Shinji and Misato staredown at the train station and the elevator scene are in their regular locations and included in full.
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Dec 7, 2018 20:28
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Maurice Augustus posted:Just finished watching the original series + EoE and would be glad to read your impressions about some things which bug me; Haven’t read any other posts about this yet, but these are my interpretations / readings: Misato’s sexuality: I think it’s partly fanservice, but also just how she expresses affection. A lot of it is her teasing Shinji to mess with him, since she knows he’s at the age where he’s real susceptible to that sort of stuff. But I think she’s insecure and gets some kind of positive reinforcement by seeing his reactions. She seems to be a very sexually active person, and her relationship with Kaji seems to be very sexually-motivated. I suspect that she (subconsciously) seeks that kind of attention. As for the kiss, I definitely think it was her trying to knock some sense into him and motivate him. Misato and Kaji: They do seem to get along alright, but it is very clear that Misato isn’t comfortable with a relationship with him, and I think that’s reason enough to think of it as a bad thing. Knowing Eva, it’s likely BECAUSE they get along well that she doesn’t want to be with him - fear of getting close to someone, etc. As for why Shinji acted disgusted when he saw that side of her, it might just be him not wanting to see that side of HER, personally. There’s likely some jealousy there. EoE Hospital scene: a lot of people say this is directly making fun of anime nerds, but I never really saw it as that. Just Shinji being in a really dark place and feeling frustrated with the world and himself, and taking it out in that way. Not just taking it out on Asuka, but also taking it out on himself - he does something he know is terrible, then berates himself about it immediately afterwards. EoE vs original Ending: I think they work well in tandem. I enjoy the completely introspective style of the original, but I also appreciate the pure craziness of EoE. I like the positivity of the original, but like the more grounded positivity of EoE. Also, EoE just bluntly ending with no credits or anything is the best poo poo. Gendo+Yui: I’m not totally sure what the original goal was, honestly it was probably just scientific experimenting and researching this weird god-like thing they found. I think also SEELE was directing them in the process, trying to achieve their goals, and Yui figured that out so did the contact experiment in an attempt to future-proof the third impact. Kaworu not knowing about Lilith: I think SEELE purposefully lied to him, in an attempt to trick him into triggering third impact. If he went back to Adam then I don’t think it would trigger an impact - but him going to Lilith would. CodfishCartographer fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Dec 12, 2018 |
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Dec 12, 2018 22:12
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Paracelsus posted:? Yeah they’re in the middle, which works great as an intermission of sorts. Go grab a coke, maybe take a bathroom break, then settle in for the third fuckin’ impact baby. Then when it ends it feels like something went wrong. Like the movie bugged out and ended early. So you replay it and watch the time and nope, that’s just how it ends. It’s so weird and disorienting after all that you just got done watching, it’s perfect and brilliant.
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Dec 12, 2018 22:28
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Maurice Augustus posted:I think along these lines too, perhaps more straightforwardly tho. He basically does it cause he's 14 and horny. However what bugs me is why here and now? Why not earlier at home? There were several situations when they were alone with Asuka. It seemed to me this scene, along with others, is there mainly to add some shock value. I felt like in TV run besides some blatant fanservice things never went over the edge. Then in EoE there's the hospital, the kiss, "nothing personal", "hurr durr humans are the worst enemies of themselves" etc. etc. For me same thing happened in Serenity movie vs the original Firefly run. Shinji didn't jerk off over Asuka after ripping her shirt open when they lived together because then she would know about it and his life would be ruined. He also wasn't at literally the lowest point in his life when they lived together. Him masturbating over her when she's in a coma is not just for shock value, it's there to show how horrible of a state of mind Shinji is in. Also hwo the gently caress does "14 and horny" equate to sexually assaulting someone?
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Dec 13, 2018 01:20
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Honestly even if Anno himself went on live TV and declared that the Christian symbols were fake bullshit that mean nothing, who cares? All that matters is what you get out of them and what they mean to you. Death of the author and all that poo poo.
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Dec 13, 2018 02:09
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I saw both endings having the same message - sometimes you need to deal with the pain of life to be happy, but it's worthwhile to do so. Original ending kind of just leaves it at that, except with a bit more "I have value!" added on too. EoE goes "okay, that's good and all, but it's a long hard road to happiness, and you'll need to work for it."
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Dec 13, 2018 04:54
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My theory is Yui did the contact experiment just to see what would happen and didn’t think she’d get absorbed into the eva, and the whole thing about that making it so Shinji could hijack third impact was just a happy coincidence.
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Apr 26, 2019 16:36
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KidDynamite posted:So just finished the TV series and EoE on netflix. I liked it for the most part, but I really don't get why Shinji felt so torn up about Kowaru a dude he met a day a go that was nice to him and also made him horny but was also an Angel sent to gently caress things up. Like Toji exists and what happened there was way worse. I think it’s important to realize it’s the first time Shinji himself is the one to make the call to murder someone. The Toji thing was more brutal, but Shinji wasn’t the one who actually did it - it was the dummy plug assuming control. With Kowaru, Shinji is the one who makes the decision to pull the trigger, that’s what makes it so brutal to him. Also of course it’s to the one person that actually has offered him unconditional love, something he’s seeked out for the entirety of the series up to that point. He finally got what he wanted, but then was put into a position where he had to force himself to lose it.
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Jul 10, 2019 22:30
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Frankly I'm still shocked that someone in this thread apparently couldn't get why Shinji reacted so strongly after killing Kowaru. Like even ignoring all the other poo poo going on, he still killed someone for the first time. Someone who was important to Shinji in some way. Like that alone isn't enough to cause years of trauma, let alone being mopey for a few days lmao
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Jul 11, 2019 20:35
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Zeruel posted:Is there an Oyasumi Punpun anime yet? If only I believe Asano said he never wants an anime of it to be made.Everyone in here should go ready Oyasumi Punpun / Goodnight Punpun, it's some real fuckin good sadbrain manga, hits a lot of the same emotional notes as Eva does.
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Nov 27, 2019 05:56
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FilthyImp posted:Can you imagine the sheer rage if Netflix was like "We're paying Anno/Trigger/ProdIG to make more Evangelion!!!* Maybe we can get FLCL 4!!!
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Jun 5, 2020 07:12
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FLCL 2 and 3 were both mediocre. I wouldn't call them bad, they both have some interesting and entertaining stuff in them, but overall they're meh. The problem is the original is one of the best anime ever made so they definitely fall very short of it and look much worse in comparison. I do think they get a bit of a bad rap and would be viewed a bit more positively if they didn't have the FLCL association, but they're both still kind of forgettable.
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Jun 6, 2020 16:32
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Something to also keep in mind with regards to the "rushed" character development (which I only partially agree with) is that this is unfortunately a movie and not a series. The total runtime of the movies is around 3.5 hours shorter than the series+EoE, but also had to be split up into 4 distinct parts. I'd say this setup makes it much harder to really do as deep and intricate character development compared to the original. They can't as easily have a character take several episodes to overcome some trauma, etc. Admittedly they could have introduced fewer new characters to give older ones more focus. Thinking about it in terms of in-universe time passing, Shinji's development in the rebuilds seems more realistic than in the series/EoE? He gets at least a month or so, possibly several months, to work through his trauma and issues, with a direct support network of friends that care about him. In the original he mopes around for what seems like only a few days before the attack on NERV happens, and then he just mopes around until getting in the robot and is gung-ho to end humanity until he has a single internal dialogue / conversation that helps him realize people are cool, actually. Like Shinji's growth in the rebuilds seems way more believable when looked at from this perspective, we just don't get the very detailed and introspective dialogue from the original, so maybe it seems more rushed / less organic? And this is coming from someone who struggled hard with depression for at least a decade so I'm not wholly unfamiliar with these experiences, relatively. I mean even the rebuilds are super rushed from a real world perspective, cus learning to deal with horrible trauma is definitely not something you can just get over in only a few months lmao
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Aug 15, 2021 06:48
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Even after watching it I don't really get why it was called 3.0+1.0 Thrice Upon A Time. Like it kinda makes sense cus of time loop stuff but also not really.
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Aug 15, 2021 16:50
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nine-gear crow posted:Yeah that bit at the end with "Guess who?" / "Uh.. a girl with glasses and big boobs?" was enough to sell me on the idea of Shinji and Mari as a functional adult couple in a healthy relationship--doubly so because everyone else but Kaworu who he's been paired with up to this point was unbelievably toxic for him, and him for them. Honestly I've always thought Shinji's relationship with Kaworu wasn't particularly healthy. He's never really treated Shinji as a person, he just fawned over him with Shinji not having to do anything or grow as a person. He enabled Shinji to be his worst self and just said "I love you anyways!" When you're super deep in depression you want someone like this, and it can be comforting, but it's not a long-term solution. It's not as obviously toxic or abusive as his other relationships, but it's unhealthy overall because it essentially enables Shinji's worst aspects. Toji, Kensuke, and Lookalike all provided much healthier friendships as they were just as supportive, but in a way that encouraged him to grow as a person.
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chiasaur11 posted:Kaworu's interesting since he's both the best and the worst of Shinji's standard shipping options. On the one end, he's the only one who doesn't ever try to hurt him. Kaworu offers a sincere and unconditional love. Yeah I think if Shinji stayed with Kaworu (and Kaworu didn't die of course) then Shinji would just end up like Gendo. He'd never learn how to deal with trauma, or when he needs to dial things down a little, cus he'd know he always had unconditional love waiting for him. Instead of the immediate and obvious hurt that someone like Gendo provides, it'd be a slow and imperceptible one.
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Aug 16, 2021 04:09
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While I like the concept of an Eva pilot from the Gendo Yui days getting curse of eva'd into the "present" day as a twist, I don't think it added a ton aside from that and the rebuilds probably would have been stronger without Mari.
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Aug 16, 2021 04:20
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Seeing all the comparisons to EoE lately has got me thinking. I've always kind of felt like the community at large over states how happy of an ending EoE had. Like, yes it was overall a positive ending in that Shinji is on the path to a healthier future as he's realized that being with other people is worth the pain. However it also ends with seemingly all of humanity dead, and the only two people left have an extremely toxic relationship with one another. Shinji is seemingly on the path to recovery, but also immediately strangles the first person he comes across. For a first time viewer it's an incredibly bleak ending that only has the slightest hint of a positive message behind it, and the hard cut ending really helps it feel even more depressing. Multiple rewatches does give a better impression of it being a happy ending, but it takes some effort to get there imo.
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Aug 17, 2021 19:53
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Augus posted:it’s directly stated that every human being has the ability to regain their physical forms, Shinji and Asuka are just the first ones out Yeah I k ow that humans can come back and it's not actually an extinction, but on a first watch it certainly feels like they're the only ones left. I know that it's stated directly that people can come back, but also there's a LOT to take in and it's pretty easy for that line to get lost on a first viewer while just trying to figure out what the gently caress is even happening.
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Aug 17, 2021 21:00
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Cephas posted:The correct correct answer is Everything You Ever Dreamed At first I mistakenly thought you meant that 6-hour-long dimensia album, but that's actually Everywhere At The End of Time. Even though Eva has nothing to do with dimensia, I still feel like the album has big Eva vibes. It's probably what your brain goes through before getting tanged.
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Aug 18, 2021 16:58
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Tbh the "it's meant to look bad!" take doesn't really sit well with me, and if it had classic Eva weight to it nobody would complain.
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I think Asuka is attracted to Shinji on some level, though she'd never admit that to anyone including herself. However I think she's more attracted to the fact that he's attracted to her - as mentioned above, she likes the attention and validation. She also hates him for a variety of reasons of course. Though I don't think she'd ask for a kiss just as a "game" or being "bored" from someone she had zero interest in, even if that interest is mostly self-serving. Asuka is right to call out that Shinji doesn't like "her", he would like anyone that likes him back - but I kind of think Asuka is similar in that way.
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