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Remember the flu game? The flu game or STEROID WITHDRAWEL GAME HMMMM????
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Magnetic North posted:Jordan didn't do steroids because the NBA is loving rigged a hell so no one botherss. Not rigged. It's just that you have referees who are 50+ years old trying to keep up with the greatest athletes on the planet in their prime. Old people can't even drive cars on country roads correctly. What I'm saying is that the referees need to juice.
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Fleetwood posted:People forget that Isiah Thomas was a super cool guy. A random Isiah Thomas story: Isiah had an illegitimate son who I went to school with, who had nothing to do with sports and had entirely different interests other than basketball. I had no idea who his dad was until it came up in discussion, thanks to another guy wearing one of those old caricature-style '80s t-shirts with a cartoon Larry Bird and Isiah Thomas. Sure enough, this guy looked exactly like cartoon Isiah.
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This is Bill Simmon's "PED checklist":Bill Simmons posted:PED profiling.
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C. Everett Koop posted:Luc Longley off all people, who didn't require much sleep and had a BDSM-streak that swarfed The Worm's. haha wait, what?
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cisneros posted:This is Bill Simmon's "PED checklist": I e-mailed him about it but he hasn't run it 
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cisneros posted:This is Bill Simmon's "PED checklist": Is that list all or nothing or if you fall into one are you on the list? Because if its just one then that's like 99% of all the pro athletes on earth. So basically everyone is on a level playing field and steroids should be ok?
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the more drugs in sports the better imo. bring on acid league football and based-ball and pcpolo what on earth is that man doing to his horse
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Did someone say they wanted one for Kobe? Here is a mockup of his business card
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Cole posted:Is that list all or nothing or if you fall into one are you on the list? Because if its just one then that's like 99% of all the pro athletes on earth. So basically everyone is on a level playing field and steroids should be ok?
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Moe_Rahn posted:yeah, if being a skinny dude who puts on some muscle weight automatically means you're on the juice then I guess like every single formerly skinnyfat goon in YLLS is roided to the gills
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Moe_Rahn posted:yeah, if being a skinny dude who puts on some muscle weight automatically means you're on the juice then I guess like every single formerly skinnyfat goon in YLLS is roided to the gills well i mean not all of them just the ones who take getting swole seriously
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toggle posted:haha wait, what? Yea this requires more explanation please haha
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Sorry, I have to, er, "protect my sources" on stuff like that. Yeah. Cough cough. But here's another story about Jordan's time with the Wizards, and while there's plenty of stuff to hit on I'll stick with the general overview of it. After Jordan retired, in part because the Bulls barely held together in their second threepeat, in part because of the lockout, he wanted to either coach or be in the front office. No one wanted Jordan to coach because his style was always more stick than carrot, if you get what I mean (and if you don't read just about any story about Jordan and his teammates). The Bulls and Hornets offered him token positions, where he'd be more of a figurehead and a community relations leader. Jordan didn't want that, thinking he could run a team. No one really bit for a while, so enter David Stern. The Bullets/Wizards had been down for several years in the late 90's despite having the main two of the Fab 5 in Chris Webber and Juwan Howard. But Webber pouted his way to a trade to Sacramento and the team couldn't gel, finishing in the basement in the '99 strike year. Needing anything to give that franchise a kick, Stern pitched to owner Abe Pollin of having Jordan run his team, in return the Wizards would get the number one pick in the draft (that's another story, but Stern's used the draft as leverage for years to get what he wants, that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone). Jordan agreed and Pollin sold a small percentage of the team to Jordan as a sign of good faith. Jordan, as we all know by now, was terrible as a GM, repeatedly going into practices and the locker room to curse out players he didn't think were trying hard enough or good enough to be on his team. He got sick enough of Juwan Howard moping around to do that blockbuster trade with Dallas, just to prove a point that Jordan would deal anyone at anytime, even though he lost just about every personnel move he made. It also led to Jordan still thinking he was better than anyone on his team, and that he could still play the game. Abe Pollin agreed, on the basis that 41 home games of Jordan was exactly what he needed to make some money off the team. Part of his comeback (which was to be announced on 9/11, obviously got shifted to the back burner and led to Jordan donating all of his modest salary to charity, which is part of Jordan/Nike's PR mastery and might be the only decent part of this story) involved Jordan having to sell back the portion of his ownership to Abe Pollin, who said that he'd resell after Jordan retired again. Jordan retained control over all personnel matters, hiring Doug Collins as his coach and shifting the roster around to his whims. Part of that included what to do with the #1 overall pick. Jordan's scouting mostly consisted of playing pickup games with handpicked players, I can't remember exactly but I believe those who played were Kwame Brown, Tyson Chandler, Eddy Curry, Eddie Griffin, Rodney White, and Richard Jefferson. He didn't work out Pau Gasol because Jordan still thought Euro players were soft, he didn't work out Shane Battier because Duke, and he didn't work out Joe Johnson or Jason Richardson because they were 2 guards and Jordan didn't want to waste the pick on his position. Brown played the best, as Curry and Chandler were both incomplete big men and the other three didn't impress Jordan, who wanted a big man with his pick. And so Jordan made Kwame Brown the #1 pick in the 2011 NBA Draft. Brown, like everyone else did in those games, played his heart out to impress Jordan, who had been a childhood idol. But Brown had always been the best athlete as he rose up the ranks and never learned how to work hard, which quickly became evident once he joined the team. Had Jordan been willing to nurture Brown he could have made something of his talent, but because Jordan broke down his teammates to prove that he was the alpha dog, Brown didn't know how to react, and once Jordan soured on Brown, it was all over. It came to a quick head midway through the 2001-2002 season, where Jordan and Brown had some incidental contact during a drill. Jordan grabbed Brown and slammed him onto the court, and proceeded to unleash a torrent of profane insults on the rookie. Collins and a couple other veterans, I know Popeye Jones and Hubert Davis for sure, also joined in and dogcussed the rookie out of the gym. Instead of using the abuse as motivation, Brown sunk into a depression and his career really never recovered. Even after turning more of the roster over and getting his guys in, like Jerry Stackhouse and close friend Charles Oakley, Jordan grew tired of the team and what he felt were overpayed, underperforming players who were profiting greatly off of the work that guys like he, Magic and Bird put in. He retired after two years, of which the only memorable public moments were Mariah Carey's dress at the All-Star Game and the Nike ad where he played himself (and there's a story about the shooting of that ad I need to tell at some point here). True to their agreement, Jordan sat down with Pollin and wanted to buy back his share of the team for the same price as before. Pollin, now with leverage and with a franchise that was worth more thanks to the two years of home sellouts, changed the deal, saying Jordan's shares were going to cost more and that Jordan wasn't going to have personnel control over the team, seeing how bad a job he had done in that regard before. An incensed Jordan cursed out Pollin and said that once Pollin died, Jordan was going to piss on his grave, and left D.C. David Stern was brought in to mediate but neither side was interested in reconciliation, and Jordan stayed away from the league for several years. He came back in with the Bobcats as he bought a minority share and had personnel control, used his option of first refusal when Johnson wanted to sell, and is now the majority figurehead of the organization. As for Pollin, he died in 2009, and there's a rumor that in his personal collection, Jordan has a photo of him pulling a Calvin on Pollin's grave. He'll never admit it unless you're in inner, inner circle, and no one would admit to taking the photo as long as Jordan still breathes.
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Kyoon I thought you were more into Olympics/Doping conspiracies than basketball. Nice to see you branch out.cisneros posted:This is Bill Simmon's "PED checklist": By that list, he qualifies for like 3 of them.
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C. Everett Koop posted:Sorry, I have to, er, "protect my sources" on stuff like that. Yeah. Cough cough. But here's another story about Jordan's time with the Wizards, and while there's plenty of stuff to hit on I'll stick with the general overview of it. Most of this stuff is on the record, unlike the roids. Stern knows where the bodies are buried. E: Also I'm sad throwback dresses never became a thing Declan MacManus fucked around with this message at 19:30 on May 6, 2013 |
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I did a full cycle with MJ and his son Deandre.
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thompson posted:I did a full cycle with MJ and his son Deandre. How's your hairline?
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Tales of Jordan being an overcompetitive rear end in a top hat never get old.
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Diddie posted:Tales of Jordan being an overcompetitive rear end in a top hat never get old. quote:Who was the better defender? Pippen was one of the best and most gifted defenders of all time. But MJ was the better defender. Michael could shut down anyone in the world for a 3 minute span. The best he’s ever seen. (I was pretty shocked by that, but man what does that tell you about MJ, unbelievable.) Jordan was the most ferocious competitor Bach has seen in all his years of basketball. Johnny said physically Jordan and Pippen were about the same as defenders. But when you add in MJ’s ruthlessness and trash talk, that put him ahead of Scottie. quote:The day before game 4 of the Bulls Suns finals with the Bulls leading the series 2-1. Michael and Charles Barkley went golfing. They played 48 holes of golf. And Michael bought Charles a $20,000 diamond earring. Johnny asked MJ, “what did you do all that for?” Michael responded, “he won’t get in my way the rest of the series, what’s $20,000 to me? Charles thinks we’re great friends. I hate that fat gently caress.” Jordan dropped 55 in game 4 and Barkley never touched him once. Also 21 feet of poo poo, Will Vanderbilt, Stacey King's box, “He can’t do anything with the ball. Don’t give it to him.”, Charles Davis' tickets, Bill Cartwright's elbows
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"Shoot it you loving midget" is the greatest thing I've ever read.
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Criminal Minded posted:"Shoot it you loving midget" is the greatest thing I've ever read. Another example of Jordan's roid rage
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Criminal Minded posted:"Shoot it you loving midget" is the greatest thing I've ever read. I think Mourning's reaction to it elevates it to the top, but my favorite trash talk ever is Larry Bird's merry Christmas. quote:During one game on Christmas Day against the Indiana Pacers, before the game Bird told Chuck Person that he had a Christmas present waiting for him. During the game, when Person was on the bench, Bird shot a three-pointer on the baseline right in front of Person. Immediately after releasing the ball, Bird said to Person, "Merry loving Christmas!", and then the shot went in.
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Owners need to start getting tested. P sure Mark Cuban is also on the 'roids.
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Are there any sources for this stuff?
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James The 1st posted:Are there any sources for this stuff? Sources? What is this a peer reviewed journal? This is internet sports talk! Sources are for pussies and nerds.
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James The 1st posted:Are there any sources for this stuff? That's where YOU, the important SAS researcher, come into play.
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James The 1st posted:Are there any sources for this stuff? http://www. 
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how anyone can question the influence of Jordan's steroid use on his teammates and even opponents confuses me, Dennis Rodman was so hopped up on steroids he had to seek refuse in the only arena where his level of use was normal, professional wrestling. Karl Malone, frustrated with his own inadequacy, had to make the same move after his erratic behavior forced the two other mothers of his children to cut him out of their lives
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James The 1st posted:Are there any sources for this stuff? I think you'll see all the evidence you need in what we call the OP.
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James The 1st posted:Are there any sources for this stuff? source my dick, nerd
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Finding a source for this stuff will be hard. It's all been pieced together by tribal stories, observations, and random quotes/stories from news papers back from before the Internet existed. By having this thread we are finally creating a digital record and collection of all these facts.
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WhyteRyce posted:Finding a source for this stuff will be hard. It's all been pieced together by tribal stories, observations, and random quotes/stories from news papers back from before the Internet existed. By having this thread we are finally creating a digital record and collection of all these facts. So what you are saying is that in a century (after the Great B-Ball Purge), historians will be examining and discussing this thread? Seems like we are doing them a favor.
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James The 1st posted:Are there any sources for this stuff?
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Source it, you loving midget.
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Oceanlife posted:Contrasting to Michael's "Me first" style the Pistons played the game the right way.
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deafmute posted:Dickey Simpkins wrote a tell all book that detailed a lot of the information in this thread but there was a very limited amount made(only one printing of 2,000 or so books). A few months after the release the publisher was bought by a larger company that has disavowed any knowledge of the book ever existing. If you ever see a copy at a used book store or flea market buy it immediately but be careful who you show it to. FYI Ben Affleck is playing Dicky Simpkins in the movie about this tell all book 
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