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Selklubber
Jul 11, 2010

Selklubber fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Jan 13, 2016

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No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

Selklubber posted:

I steaked a steak!

The second time I try to properly cook a steak, and the first time I'm happy with the result. I took it out of the fridge and salted it half an hour before cooking. Then I sort of followed Gordon Ramsay's recipie (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FYZHkjgwdc). The pan was smoking hot, I cooked 1.5 minute on one side, 1.5 on the other. Then I turned the heat down, put in butter. Had some butter on the steak and tossed an onion in the pan. I should have had more onion though, still hungry :(
Was your pan really "smoking hot"? There's no sear on that beef!

Onion's never going to fill you up that much, there's not a whole lot in them. You'll need potatoes for that... or more steak.

Selklubber
Jul 11, 2010
There was more sear on the other side, the picture was a bit rushed since I was hungry. But next time I'll use less salt.

Nicol Bolas
Feb 13, 2009

Selklubber posted:

There was more sear on the other side, the picture was a bit rushed since I was hungry. But next time I'll use less salt.

Less salt isn't gonna get you more sear; if you're gonna do that whole salt-a-half-hour-in-advance thing, you kind of need to pat the steak dry (pat, don't rub) right before you put it in the pan. Wet steak means steamed meat. Dry steak means seared meat. Still, that looks pretty solid!

vvv ah, okay, that's different!

Nicol Bolas fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Jul 24, 2013

Selklubber
Jul 11, 2010
No, I just mean that it was too salty. It was delicious other than that.

Chemmy
Feb 4, 2001

Your pan needs to be hotter if 90s per side did that.

What kind of pan was it?

Doom Rooster
Sep 3, 2008

Pillbug

Chemmy posted:

Your pan needs to be hotter if 90s per side did that.

What kind of pan was it?

It looks to me like the edges are very nicely browned, just not the middle. My guess would be that he didn't score the outside, and the meat contracted, causing the big middle area to lose contact with the skillet.

Doh004
Apr 22, 2007

Mmmmm Donuts...

Doom Rooster posted:

It looks to me like the edges are very nicely browned, just not the middle. My guess would be that he didn't score the outside, and the meat contracted, causing the big middle area to lose contact with the skillet.

Is this something that people do?

Chef De Cuisinart
Oct 31, 2010

Brandy does in fact, in my experience, contribute to Getting Down.

Doh004 posted:

Is this something that people do?

No. Unless its a super cheap thin cut.

BlueGrot
Jun 26, 2010

Or if it's a piece of pork with a fat rind. The fat shrinks alot more than the meat and curls it up.

Selklubber
Jul 11, 2010

Chemmy posted:

Your pan needs to be hotter if 90s per side did that.

What kind of pan was it?

It was an old cast iron pan. It was at least 90 seconds on the side that is down in the picture. I probably turned the heat down too soon on the other side. Not that it matters much because it was tasty and juicy.

Doom Rooster
Sep 3, 2008

Pillbug

Doh004 posted:

Is this something that people do?

For a steak as thin as that one, it's the only way to maintain even contact with the pan.

Selklubber
Jul 11, 2010
What do you mean with "score the outside"? Googling it just gets videos of football goals.

Doom Rooster
Sep 3, 2008

Pillbug

Selklubber posted:

What do you mean with "score the outside"? Googling it just gets videos of football goals.

Cut through the ribbon of fat on the outside of the meat, until you just barely get to meat. The fat/silverskin there is what really curls up, forming the concave steak problem. Just like 2-3 cuts along that ribbon like that and your steak will curl up much less.

A good, thicker steak will not curl up at all really. This is only a problem with thinner steaks.

bombhand
Jun 27, 2004

There are some pictures of it demonstrated on a pork chop here: http://www.americastestkitchenfeed.com/meat-blog/2013/06/pig-out-on-grilled-thin-cut-pork-chops/

The Third Man
Nov 5, 2005

I know how much you like ponies so I got you a ponies avatar bro
When you salt a steak a while before cooking, is it normal for there to be a pool of liquid still on it after like an hour and half? I thought it only really needed 45 minutes or so to reabsorb the lost liquid, did I over-salt the meat?

Lonely Virgil
Oct 9, 2012

The Third Man posted:

When you salt a steak a while before cooking, is it normal for there to be a pool of liquid still on it after like an hour and half? I thought it only really needed 45 minutes or so to reabsorb the lost liquid, did I over-salt the meat?

It's normal for a small amount of liquid to be drawn to the surface of meat after salting. Doesn't effect the juiciness of the steak at all. Just blot up the excess moisture before cooking.

The Midniter
Jul 9, 2001

Here's some wisdom courtesy of The Food Lab.

quote:

The results? The steaks that were salted immediately before cooking and those that were salted and rested for at least 40 minutes turned out far better than those that were cooked at any point in between. What was up with those 10, 20, and 30 minute steaks?

Here's what's going on.

Immediately after salting the salt rests on the surface of the meat, undissolved. All the steak's juices are still inside the muscle fibers. Searing at this stage results in a clean, hard sear.

Within 3 or 4 minutes the salt, through the process of osmosis, will begin to draw out liquid from the beef. This liquid beads up on the surface of the meat. Try to sear at this point and you waste valuable heat energy simply evaporating this large amount of pooled liquid. Your pan temperature drops, your sear is not as hard, and crust development and flavor-building Maillard browning reactions are inhibited.

Starting at around 10 to 15 minutes, the brine formed by the salt dissolving in the meat's juices will begin to break down the muscle structure of the beef, causing it to become much more absorptive. The brine begins to slowly work its way back into the meat.

By the end of 40 minutes, most of the liquid has been reabsorbed into the meat. A small degree of evaporation has also occurred, causing the meat to be ever so slightly more concentrated in flavor.

Chemmy
Feb 4, 2001

If you're going all out I'd consider throwing the steak in the fridge overnight. The dry air dries off the surface of the steak, it'll get tacky and look a little different. With a drop or two of canola oil rubbed into the surface it'll make a great crust in a hot pan.

Selklubber posted:

Not that it matters much because it was tasty and juicy.

:rolleyes:

A cast iron pan is fine, it's what almost everyone uses. I leave mine in a 500 degree oven for a half an hour or longer and then put it on a big gas burner turned all the way up. You shouldn't be turning down the heat at all until your steak is done cooking and out of the pan.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

Chemmy posted:

A cast iron pan is fine, it's what almost everyone uses. I leave mine in a 500 degree oven for a half an hour or longer and then put it on a big gas burner turned all the way up. You shouldn't be turning down the heat at all until your steak is done cooking and out of the pan.
I disagree - I think you have to turn down the heat a little for thicker cuts. It's possible to char steak, and I'm not really a fan of the flavor. I like having it on wicked high heat for the initial sear on both side, to get the outside of the steak to maillardizing levels of heat ASAP, but I don't see the point of continuing that way.

Chemmy
Feb 4, 2001

Sure, but the steak pictured is pretty thin.

I sous vide thicker steaks but like them pretty rare. If I wasn't doing that I'd get a hard sear and then throw the steak in the oven.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

Chemmy posted:

Sure, but the steak pictured is pretty thin.

I sous vide thicker steaks but like them pretty rare. If I wasn't doing that I'd get a hard sear and then throw the steak in the oven.
Props, did not realize your advice was context-specific.


If I have the time I don't see the issue (and I see upside) with finishing 100% on plancha-level heat as long as you are flipping every fifteen to thirty seconds. Not feasible in a restaurant, obvi, but that's why i don't go to steakhouses no more...

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
Never had much luck with the steaks you can buy here in Finnish stores, always turned out like a chewy piece of leather when I've tried in the past. I've tried all the usual tricks of super high heat, flip once, rest, etc. but no real difference.

Anyhoo I got to reading this thread and I decided to try heavily salting before hand (I probably had it like 2 hours in the fridge), then rinsing it off and patting it dry. I also flipped it every ten seconds until the crust looked nice rather than doing the flip once drill. It turned out medium rather than medium-rare because I lost my count with all the back & forth flipping, but I'm perfectly fine with the results. It was just so nice to have made a steak that turned out great. I have another steak of the same type that I am aging in my fridge (unsalted), not sure how long I should give it.



There's another cut called entrecote which is a bit cheaper but more marbled that I want to try the same method on and see how it works out, it's what I've had the least luck with in the past.

Chemmy
Feb 4, 2001

The entrecôte is what we in America call a ribeye and is the best steak of all.

Most people like it medium rare, not rare because of all the marbling, but the pictured steak is gorgeous.

Chef De Cuisinart
Oct 31, 2010

Brandy does in fact, in my experience, contribute to Getting Down.

Chemmy posted:


Most people like it medium rare, not rare because of all the marbling, but the pictured steak is gorgeous.

Black&Blue 4 lyfe.

Tendales
Mar 9, 2012

His Divine Shadow posted:

I have another steak of the same type that I am aging in my fridge (unsalted), not sure how long I should give it.


Aging in the fridge isn't going to accomplish anything worth speaking of. It's just not the right environment. Fortunately, that means you don't have to wait to eat a delicious steak!

Chemmy
Feb 4, 2001

Chef De Cuisinart posted:

Black&Blue 4 lyfe.

That's how I like my steak, but the thread is titled "medium rare meats" and I'm trying to give general information to people uncomfortable cooking steak.

Fo3
Feb 14, 2004

RAAAAARGH!!!! GIFT CARDS ARE FUCKING RETARDED!!!!

(I need a hug)

Tendales posted:

Aging in the fridge isn't going to accomplish anything worth speaking of. It's just not the right environment. Fortunately, that means you don't have to wait to eat a delicious steak!

What's the right environment? On the cow?
You're the first I've heard of in recent times saying aging in the fridge accomplishes nothing, assuming you are speaking about all fridges, and all temps/humidities.

Chemmy
Feb 4, 2001

He means that aging an individual steak isn't right.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

Tendales posted:

Aging in the fridge isn't going to accomplish anything worth speaking of. It's just not the right environment. Fortunately, that means you don't have to wait to eat a delicious steak!
I mean, there are technically benefits to wet-aging, but it's really not worth loving around with.

Chemmy posted:

That's how I like my steak, but the thread is titled "medium rare meats" and I'm trying to give general information to people uncomfortable cooking steak.
Normally I would think someone who had this opinion was dumb (except for fillet) but I have to note that your posting in this thread has been highly intelligent so I must revise my opinion.

What's the trick for serving this? Do you cut it super thin like sashimi? Sort of like a steak tataki?

His Divine Shadow posted:

Never had much luck with the steaks you can buy here in Finnish stores, always turned out like a chewy piece of leather when I've tried in the past. I've tried all the usual tricks of super high heat, flip once, rest, etc. but no real difference.

Anyhoo I got to reading this thread and I decided to try heavily salting before hand (I probably had it like 2 hours in the fridge), then rinsing it off and patting it dry. I also flipped it every ten seconds until the crust looked nice rather than doing the flip once drill. It turned out medium rather than medium-rare because I lost my count with all the back & forth flipping, but I'm perfectly fine with the results. It was just so nice to have made a steak that turned out great. I have another steak of the same type that I am aging in my fridge (unsalted), not sure how long I should give it.



There's another cut called entrecote which is a bit cheaper but more marbled that I want to try the same method on and see how it works out, it's what I've had the least luck with in the past.
Here's the best part - you will now make great steaks for life.

No Wave fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Jul 28, 2013

Chemmy
Feb 4, 2001

For serving rare ribeye? I generally sous vide to rare and then sear it off. It looks raw but isn't the same as a true black/blue raw steak which can be tough to eat.

From there I just slice normally I guess.

The Midniter
Jul 9, 2001

Fo3 posted:

What's the right environment? On the cow?
You're the first I've heard of in recent times saying aging in the fridge accomplishes nothing, assuming you are speaking about all fridges, and all temps/humidities.

There's aging, and there's aging. "Aging" in the fridge (which in this case I would describe as leaving the steak uncovered) with a single steak allows the outer layers of cells to desiccate, which promotes browning and crust development. You're not going to see any added benefit after, say, two days of this. Actual dry aging would involve careful temperature temperature control as well as constant airflow (not intermittent like a fridge) using whole primals, not single cuts. The process is also much longer, with it taking at least a month to develop any of those "aged" flavors that are so highly prized.

Shadowhand00
Jan 23, 2006

Golden Bear is ever watching; day by day he prowls, and when he hears the tread of lowly Stanfurd red,from his Lair he fiercely growls.
Toilet Rascal
http://www.seriouseats.com/2013/03/the-food-lab-complete-guide-to-dry-aging-beef-at-home.html

This is a nice little article about aging that you might want to check out.

Doh004
Apr 22, 2007

Mmmmm Donuts...

Shadowhand00 posted:

http://www.seriouseats.com/2013/03/the-food-lab-complete-guide-to-dry-aging-beef-at-home.html

This is a nice little article about aging that you might want to check out.

Well this is awesome.

ShadowCatboy
Jan 22, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
If you guys really want some nice sciency steak porn...

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
Feel free to disregard this post.

It is guaranteed to be lazy, ignorant, and/or uninformed.
Is there anyway to sous vide a steak without having to invest in all that equipment, basically is there a cheat for it?> I don't got the money to invest in that :(

marshalljim
Mar 6, 2013

yospos

Hollis posted:

Is there anyway to sous vide a steak without having to invest in all that equipment, basically is there a cheat for it?> I don't got the money to invest in that :(

Yes.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

Hollis posted:

Is there anyway to sous vide a steak without having to invest in all that equipment, basically is there a cheat for it?> I don't got the money to invest in that :(

http://www.seriouseats.com/2013/06/video-how-to-cook-your-steak-sous-vide-in-a-cooler.html

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
Feel free to disregard this post.

It is guaranteed to be lazy, ignorant, and/or uninformed.
Oh wow, what kind of thermotator is that thy are using? Also, what type of blowtorch. Don't see any information on the page. I will definitely do this.


Is it safe to put more than one steak in there? Like in the cooler?

Also, has anyone else done this ?

What about Lamb etc.. I'm assuming it's okay to use for other meats like fish etc..

How would this work with a "inferior" cut of meat like say Chuck STeak?

Cause Chuck steak is cheap and I am wondering if it has an effect on the meat if I cook it with this method.

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Stalizard
Aug 11, 2006

Have I got a headache!
I just did a steak in a beer cooler, it was the easiest thing I ever did. I used a two dollar dial type thermometer I got from a restaurant supply store. I stuck it in a lovely styrofoam cooler I got for three dollars from the grocery store. It was the easiest thing I ever cooked. I submerged the thermometer, it still works.

I put two ribeyes in, about 1.75 pounds total meat. Threw in a rack that they leaned against so they stood up, more or less. Hardest part was getting the water up to temp, I overestimated how hot it comes out the tap. Check every 15 mins or so to make sure it's around ~130. If it isn't, heat some back up. Leave for 45 minutes or so. Pat dry, sear, rest.

If you insist on eating a chuck steak, this is among the best ways to prepare it. Consider leaving it for an hour or more to render some of the fat; it won't overcook.

It works for every meat, although time and temp vary by animal and cut.

edit: I cannot overstate how simple this was and how delicious the steak was as a result.

Stalizard fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Aug 3, 2013

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